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sirs

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Open letter to the Left
« on: October 28, 2006, 02:08:25 AM »
as applied from the open letter to Andy Rooney via Larry Elder
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Open letter to Andy Rooney

Posted: October 26, 2006

Dear Mr. Rooney,

You ask, in your recent "60 Minutes" commentary, for the president to finally flat-out "explain" why we have troops in Iraq. While busy preparing your commentaries, you perhaps failed to hear the president explain this – over and over and over again.

Allow me to try.

The world changed for many – apparently not you – after 9-11.

Saddam Hussein violated numerous United Nations resolutions following the first Persian Gulf War. Saddam's military continuously shot at U.S. and British planes patrolling the Northern and Southern No-Fly Zones. He offered $25,000 to families of homicide bombers. We know he possessed chemical and biological weapons because he used them during the Iraq/Iran war, and on his own people, the Kurds.

The October '02 National Intelligence Estimate concluded with "high confidence" – the highest certainty allowed – that Saddam possessed stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. All 16 intelligence agencies contributing to the NIE unanimously agreed on the chemical and biological weapons assumptions, with disagreement only on how far along Saddam was toward acquiring nukes.

Weapons inspectors found no WMD stockpiles, leading many Americans to feel that the president either lied or cherry-picked intelligence to lead us into war. But
- the Robb-Silverman Commission concluded that the president didn't lie.
- the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee's 511-page report concluded that the president did not lie.
- the British Butler Commission, which examined whether Prime Minister Tony Blair "sexed up" the intelligence to make a case for war, concluded the PM didn't lie.

Kenneth Pollack, an opponent of the Iraq war, served as Iraq expert and intelligence analyst in the Clinton administration. Pollack writes that during his 1999-2001 tour on the National Security Council, " ... the intelligence community convinced me and the rest of the Clinton administration that Saddam had reconstituted his WMD programs following the withdrawal of the U.N. inspectors, in 1998, and was only a matter of years away from having a nuclear weapon. ... The U.S. intelligence community's belief that Saddam was aggressively pursuing weapons of mass destruction pre-dated Bush's inauguration, and therefore cannot be attributed to political pressure. ... Other nations' intelligence services were similarly aligned with U.S. views. ... Germany ... Israel, Russia, Britain, China and even France held positions similar to that of the United States. … In sum, no one doubted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction."

Meanwhile, neighboring Iran defiantly pursues nuclear weapons. Bush reasoned that a free, democratic and prosperous Iraq would destabilize Iran, accomplishing regime change without military force. This would encourage the rest of the Arab world to direct their grievances toward their own leaders, rather than against the "infidels."

We remain in Iraq because, as former Secretary of State James Baker put it, "If we picked up and left right now ... you would see the biggest civil war you've ever seen. Every neighboring country would be involved in there, doing its own thing, Turkey, Iran, Syria, you name it, and even our friends in the Gulf."

Former Secretary of State and informal Bush adviser Henry Kissinger – who knows something about the consequences of cutting and running – wrote, "Victory over the insurgency is the only meaningful exit strategy."

The political aim of our Islamofascist enemies is a worldwide Caliphate, or Islamic world. Renowned Islam expert Bernard Lewis recently reiterated his support for the war: "The response to 9-11 came as a nasty surprise [to bin Laden and his followers]. They were expecting more of the same – bleating and apologies – instead of which they got a vigorous reaction, first in Afghanistan and then in Iraq. And as they used to say in Moscow: It is no accident, comrades, that there has been no successful attack in the United States since then. ... [T]he effort is difficult and the outcome uncertain, but I think the effort must be made. Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us."

True, 2,800 of our best have died. Any figure above zero is a tragedy. But America – on both sides of the Civil War – lost more than 600,000 soldiers, or 2 percent of the country's population of 31 million. Of our country's 132 million, we lost more than 400,000 in World War II, or .3 percent of our population. In the Korean War, we lost 37,000, and the Vietnam War saw 58,000 dead.

Many people say that after failing to find stockpiles of WMD, Bush "switched" rationales for the war. Consider this excerpt from a New York Times editorial about a speech Bush gave weeks before the coalition entered Iraq:

"President Bush sketched an expansive vision last night of what he expects to accomplish by a war in Iraq. Instead of focusing on eliminating weapons of mass destruction, or reducing the threat of terror to the United States, Mr. Bush talked about establishing a 'free and peaceful Iraq' that would serve as a 'dramatic and inspiring example' to the entire Arab and Muslim world, provide a stabilizing influence in the Middle East and even help end the Arab-Israeli conflict."

Still confused? Please write back, and I'll try again.

Sincerely yours,

Larry Elder


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52624
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sirs

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2006, 09:39:21 PM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2006, 10:07:17 PM »
From this argument, one may infer that the initial decision to invade Iraq was not negligent or reckless, or one may infer the contrary. Certainly in retrospect, however, the invasion was a monumental mistake.

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2006, 01:39:01 AM »
From this argument, one may infer that the initial decision to invade Iraq was not negligent or reckless, or one may infer the contrary. Certainly in retrospect, however, the invasion was a monumental mistake.

That certainly is one opinion
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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2006, 02:40:45 PM »
Well, I didn't advocate this incursion and still don't. That being said, you could argue that the invasion itself is one matter and the governance after is yet another. Some people honestly felt that it was necessary to topple a dictator, in this case, Saddam. But, those same people tell me they advocated passing the baton and leaving then. Of course, this last part didn't happen, unfortunately.
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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2006, 04:55:41 PM »
How long did it take to establish government in post WWII contries?


What is diffrent now?

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2006, 05:58:15 PM »
impatience rules....different culture, an instant one.

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2006, 10:02:43 PM »
impatience rules....different culture, an instant one.

Boy, ain't that the truth.  But don't discount the 24/7 left leaning mainscream machine.  Can you imagine if CNN were around during D-day?  Battle of the Bulge?  Broadcasting not just 10, not just hundreds, but thousands of American deaths in just 1 battle?  Add to it all the military mistakes made along the way in a very brutal & ugly war?  I don't think the populace would have allowed us to remain in there beyond '42, with the amount of casualties we were taking.  I'm guessing the cry would have been to bring our boys home.  Don't you?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2006, 10:34:44 PM »
Sirs, a friend of mine uses this phrase which I see as so true these days:

"Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for western civilization as it commits suicide."

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2006, 10:38:31 PM »
Sirs, a friend of mine uses this phrase which I see as so true these days: "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for western civilization as it commits suicide."

Scary, especially if true
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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2006, 12:32:17 PM »
The article is just the same old bullshit from morons but the cartoon got me thinking.

Those of us on the left seem to work from a place where we understand our place in the world and the universe.  Those on the right seem to think that we, as humans, own the universe.

Those on the left seem to understand that we have to work with our environment naturally in order have the environment continue to sustain us into perpetuity.  Those on the right seem to think that the environment is merely the place where we, as humans, exist to get all we can before it's gone.


Those on the left seem to understand that there is a need for balance in the universe.  If we have something, everyone should have it.  A plus for us should be a plus for everyone who wants it.  The Right believes the opposite.  What is a plus for us is something to be guarded and witheld for advantage over others and personal gain over others.  (This is the idea behind our being allowed to have nukes while Iran or North Korea should not be allowed.) 

Those on the left see the differences in the world and want to explore them, to understand them.  Those on the right want to change those who are different to be more like themselves.

Those of the left believe in offering the carrot first then the stick is the last resort.  The right believes in holding the stick over someone's head and if that doesn't work then it is a sign of weakness to use the carrot after all else fails.

The left works from hope.  The right works from fear.

When we act like ourselves, we win.  But we've been so fear-stricken by the right that we are acting like them.

The left believes in solving problems and creating peace.  The right believes in erasing dissent and "winning".

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2006, 01:05:44 PM »
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The left works from hope.  The right works from fear

Harold Ford said something along those lines. He said dems love and fear God. He said the GOP just fears God.


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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2006, 01:09:53 PM »
" If we have something, everyone should have it. "



Guns?

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2006, 01:18:13 PM »
Guns?

Sure, why not?

I'm really libertarian when it comes to stuff like guns and drugs.  Let the states handle it.  If NY wants to ban assault rifles then fine.  Let em.

Let people smoke all the pot and take all the heroine they want.

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Re: Open letter to the Left
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2006, 01:23:51 PM »
Guns?

Sure, why not?

I'm really libertarian when it comes to stuff like guns and drugs.  Let the states handle it.  If NY wants to ban assault rifles then fine.  Let em.

Let people smoke all the pot and take all the heroine they want.



Even Libertarians are seldom heard to endorse passing guns out at the insane asylum.

Will any prominent Democrat go on record endorseing Kim Jung Ill haveing Atomic ICBM's?