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« on: November 15, 2008, 07:09:34 PM »
November 15, 2008
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5158569.ece

Barack Obama is warned to beware of a ‘huge threat’ from al-Qaeda
Security officials fear a ‘spectacular’ during the transition period




Tom Baldwin in Washington and Michael Evans, Defence Editor
Barack Obama is being given ominous advice from leaders on both sides of the Atlantic to brace himself for an early assault from terrorists.

General Michael Hayden, director of the CIA, this week acknowledged that there were dangers during a presidential transition when new officials were coming in and getting accustomed to the challenges. But he added that no “real or artificial spike” in intercepted transmissions from terror suspects had been detected.

President Bush has repeatedly described the acute vulnerability of the US during a transition. The Bush Administration has been defined largely by the 9/11 attacks, which came within a year of his taking office.

His aides have pointed to al-Qaeda’s first assault on the World Trade Centre, which occurred little more than a month after Bill Clinton became President in 1993. There was an alleged attempt to bomb Glasgow airport in Gordon Brown’s first days in Downing Street and a London nightclub attack was narrowly thwarted.

Lord West of Spithead, the Home Office Security Minister, spoke recently of a “huge threat”, saying: “There is another great plot building up again and we are monitoring this.”

Intelligence chiefs on both sides of the Atlantic have indicated that such warnings refer more to a general sense of foreboding than fear of an imminent or specific plan.

Referring to the attacks in 1993 and 2001, General Hayden told a Washington think-tank on Thursday night: “For some people two data points create a trend line. For others, there may be more hesitation to call it that.” He said that the chief danger comes from remote areas in Pakistan that border Afghanistan.

“Today virtually every major terrorist threat that my agency is aware of has threads back to the tribal areas. Whether it’s command and control, training, direction, money, capabilities, there is a connection to the Fata [Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas].”

General Hayden said that al-Qaeda remained a “determined, adaptive enemy” operating “from its safe haven in Pakistan”. He added: “If there is a major attack on this country it will bear the fingerprints of al-Qaeda.”

He said that the border region remained the base of al-Qaeda’s leadership, which had developed a more durable structure and a deep reserve of skilled operatives. “AlQaeda, operating from its safe haven in Pakistan’s tribal areas, remains the most clear and present danger to the safety of the United States,” General Hayden said.

The hunt for al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden “is very much at the top of CIA’s priority list,” he added. “Because of his iconic stature, his death or capture clearly would have a significant impact on the confidence of his followers.”

The CIA chief also suggested that the terror group was seeking to recruit Western-looking operatives who would not cause attention if they were standing in airport screening queues.

Hours after he spoke, a suspected US missile attack killed 12 people in Pakistan, including five foreigners. Such strikes are hugely controversial, with Islamabad claiming that they fuel anti-American extremist groups. But Mr Obama has been clear that he wants to pursue al-Qaeda aggressively across the Afghan border.

In Britain, security officials say that there is genuine concern that alQaeda will attempt a “spectacular” in the transition period, but suggest that it may be aimed more at Mr Bush than Mr Obama.

“As far as we know there is nothing from the intelligence world to indicate that anything has changed dramatically in recent months to put us on alert for an attack at the moment,” a source said. The present threat level is “severe”, which is the second-highest alert status. But a senior counterterrorism official suggested last month that this should be regarded as “the severe end of severe”. This would point to Britain facing a terrorist threat nearly as high as the period in the summer of 2005 when terrorists killed 52 people on London’s transport network on July 7 and attempted a similar attack on July 21.

Britain and the US are sharing all intelligence on suspected terrorist activity because of the high risk of a plot involving transatlantic flights. Al-Qaeda is understood still to be obsessed with mounting an attack using passenger airliners. There have also been warnings of al-Qaeda interest in developing a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear (CBRN) device. The US has anti-CBRN units on constant patrol in main cities.

Al-Qaeda is known to be experimenting with biological agents, particularly anthrax, which they acquire from dead animals and then create cultures. The key man involved in these experiments is Abou Kabbah al-Masri, who was engaged in the biological trials including tests on rabbits that were uncovered in Afghanistan when the Taleban were overrun after the US invasion in 2001.

James Lewis, a security expert with the Centre of Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said that al-Qaeda may wish to provoke a reaction from the next US Administration designed to show the rest of the world that “America is still the evil crusader”.

Last month Joe Biden, the Vice-President-elect, told campaign donors: “Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle [of Mr Obama].”

Mr Lewis said that many Muslims were intrigued by Mr Obama’s arrival in the White House and “there may be political downsides” in attacking America too early. “It is hard to fathom the level of sophistication of their operatives and whether the chatter we intercept is dissent or intent. If they are gong to do something, they may wait until after the inauguration.

“At present there are policemen standing on policemen at possible targets. That won’t be the case three months into the new administration.”

The arms race

1945 US drops atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

1953 Russia tests its first atomic bomb

1962 US discovers Soviet Union building a nuclear missile base in Cuba. After seven days of intense talks a naval quarantine is placed around Cuba and is only removed once President Khrushchev agrees to dismantle the base

1983 President Reagan launches the Strategic Defensive Initiative – Star Wars. This would allow the US to detect a nuclear weapon being launched and, by using laser technology, give it time to launch its own weapon to destroy the enemy missile

1986 President Gorbachev proposes a 50 per cent reduction in the nuclear arsenals of both sides. The discussions finally dissolve with no agreement reached

2008 US strikes deal with Poland and Czech Republic on Missile Defence Shield. Russia retaliates on day that Barack Obama is elected US President by threatening to station missiles in Kaliningrad, near its border with Poland

Source: Times archive

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Re: Barack Obama is warned
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2008, 11:27:53 PM »
November 15, 2008
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5158569.ece

Barack Obama is warned to beware of a ‘huge threat’ from al-Qaeda
Security officials fear a ‘spectacular’ during the transition period



Yes even Biden thought this was likely  , I am certain that Osama and company would like to pull a big spectacular strike , but can they find another chink in our defenses? Do they have what it takes ?

And ...

Will there be any effect they would want from smacking the Obama administration? The world at large was never in Love with GWB but there was an outpouring of sympathy after 9-11. If the Al Queida really hurt BHO they would get nothing from it but loss of potential support.

I think that if Obama lets off the pressure on Al Queda , the Al Queda will claim it is because of fear , but this will draw snickers from anyone who had been awake for the last six years.;)

If BHO pours more effort into attacking the Al Queida Center and leadership , he can get a lot of support from us and gain support from the quarter of America that is not fond of him yet.

I see this aas a no loose decision for BHO, he merely needs to weigh which win he wants, and pick one.

Osama Bin Laden on the other hand ,has to choose between attacking in a small way or not attacking at all becomeing slowly less relivant because all of his relivance is based on the harm Al Queda can do , or attacking in a very harmfull way and suffering a repeat of the 9-11 debacle in which his staff and organisation invited the decimation that has happened to them every year since. Loose -loose for Osamas decision, he should pick carefully which loss is the one he shoots for.

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Re: Barack Obama is warned
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2008, 11:48:55 PM »
One thing for sure is that Big O wont attack the entirely wrong country like your Bushidiot did with Iraq.

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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2008, 05:35:03 AM »
One thing for sure is that Big O wont attack the entirely wrong country like your Bushidiot did with Iraq.

Why not?

How long has it been since we had a President who didn't?

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2008, 09:19:56 AM »
How long has it been since we had a President who didn't?

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Minor policing engagements are not the same as a full-blown, seven year long war. Juniorbush is the only one who did this and you know it.
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Re: Barack Obama is warned
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2008, 10:37:07 AM »
Minor policing engagements are not the same as a full-blown, seven year long war. Juniorbush is the only one who did this and you know it.

In a few years, it will be a 7 year war.

We haven't been in Iraq 7 years and you know it.
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Re: Barack Obama is warned
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2008, 03:48:49 PM »
Re Reply no 1

That's a pretty good off the cuff analysis, plane. I hope you're right.

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2008, 04:40:13 PM »
Minor policing engagements are not the same as a full-blown, seven year long war. Juniorbush is the only one who did this and you know it.

In a few years, it will be a 7 year war.

We haven't been in Iraq 7 years and you know it.

It is 7 if you count the planning process:



washingtonpost.com
Bush Began to Plan War Three Months After 9/11
Book Says President Called Secrecy Vital
By William Hamilton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 17, 2004; Page A01


Beginning in late December 2001, President Bush met repeatedly with Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks and his war cabinet to plan the U.S. attack on Iraq even as he and administration spokesmen insisted they were pursuing a diplomatic solution, according to a new book on the origins of the war.

The intensive war planning throughout 2002 created its own momentum, according to "Plan of Attack" by Bob Woodward, fueled in part by the CIA's conclusion that Saddam Hussein could not be removed from power except through a war and CIA Director George J. Tenet's assurance to the president that it was a "slam dunk" case that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

In 3 1/2 hours of interviews with Woodward, an assistant managing editor at The Washington Post, Bush said that the secret planning was necessary to avoid "enormous international angst and domestic speculation" and that "war is my absolute last option."

Adding to the momentum, Woodward writes, was the pressure from advocates of war inside the administration. Vice President Cheney, whom Woodward describes as a "powerful, steamrolling force," led that group and had developed what some of his colleagues felt was a "fever" about removing Hussein by force.

By early January 2003, Bush had made up his mind to take military action against Iraq, according to the book. But Bush was so concerned that the government of his closest ally, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, might fall because of his support for Bush that he delayed the war's start until March 19 here (March 20 in Iraq) because Blair asked him to seek a second resolution from the United Nations. Bush later gave Blair the option of withholding British troops from combat, which Blair rejected. "I said I'm with you. I mean it," Blair replied.

Woodward describes a relationship between Cheney and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell that became so strained Cheney and Powell are barely on speaking terms. Cheney engaged in a bitter and eventually winning struggle over Iraq with Powell, an opponent of war who believed Cheney was obsessively trying to establish a connection between Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network and treated ambiguous intelligence as fact.

Powell felt Cheney and his allies -- his chief aide, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby; Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz; and Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith and what Powell called Feith's "Gestapo" office -- had established what amounted to a separate government. The vice president, for his part, believed Powell was mainly concerned with his own popularity and told friends at a dinner he hosted a year ago celebrating the outcome of the war that Powell was a problem and "always had major reservations about what we were trying to do."

Before the war with Iraq, Powell bluntly told Bush that if he sent U.S. troops there "you're going to be owning this place." Powell and his deputy and closest friend, Richard L. Armitage, used to refer to what they called "the Pottery Barn rule" on Iraq: "You break it, you own it," according to Woodward.

But, when asked personally by the president, Powell agreed to make the U.S. case against Hussein at the United Nations in February 2003, a presentation described by White House communications director Dan Bartlett as "the Powell buy-in." Bush wanted someone with Powell's credibility to present the evidence that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, a case the president had initially found less than convincing when presented to him by CIA Deputy Director John E. McLaughlin at a White House meeting on Dec. 21, 2002.

McLaughlin's version used communications intercepts, satellite photos, diagrams and other intelligence. "Nice try," Bush said when the CIA official was finished, according to the book. "I don't think this quite -- it's not something that Joe Public would understand or would gain a lot of confidence from."

He then turned to Tenet, McLaughlin's boss, and said, "I've been told all this intelligence about having WMD, and this is the best we've got?"

"It's a slam-dunk case," Tenet replied, throwing his arms in the air. Bush pressed him again. "George, how confident are you?"

"Don't worry, it's a slam dunk," Tenet repeated.

Tenet later told associates he should have said the evidence on weapons was not ironclad, according to Woodward. After the CIA director made a rare public speech in February defending the CIA's handling of intelligence about Iraq, Bush called him to say he had done "a great job."

In his previous book, "Bush at War," Woodward described the administration's response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001: its decision to attack the Taliban government in Afghanistan and its increasing focus on Iraq. His new book is a narrative history of how Bush and his administration launched the war on Iraq. It is based on interviews with more than 75 people, including Bush and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

On Nov. 21, 2001, 72 days after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Bush directed Rumsfeld to begin planning for war with Iraq. "Let's get started on this," Bush recalled saying. "And get Tommy Franks looking at what it would take to protect America by removing Saddam Hussein if we have to." He also asked: Could this be done on a basis that would not be terribly noticeable?

Bush received his first detailed briefing on Iraq war plans five weeks later, on Dec. 28, when Gen. Tommy R. Franks, the head of the U.S. Central Command, visited Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Tex. Bush told reporters afterward that they had discussed Afghanistan.

While it has been previously reported that Bush directed the Pentagon to begin considering options for an invasion of Iraq immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush's order to Rumsfeld began an intensive process in which Franks worked in secret with a small staff, talked almost daily with the defense secretary and met about once a month with Bush.

This week, the president acknowledged that the violent uprising against U.S. troops in Iraq has resulted in "a tough, tough series of weeks for the American people." But he insisted that his course of action in Iraq has been the correct one in language that echoed what he told Woodward more than four months ago.

In two interviews with Woodward in December, Bush minimized the failure to find the weapons of mass destruction, expressed no doubts about his decision to invade Iraq, and enunciated an activist role for the United States based on it being "the beacon for freedom in the world."

"I believe we have a duty to free people," Bush told Woodward. "I would hope we wouldn't have to do it militarily, but we have a duty."

The president described praying as he walked outside the Oval Office after giving the order to begin combat operations against Iraq, and the powerful role his religious beliefs played throughout that time.

"Going into this period, I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will. . . . I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case I pray that I be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then, of course, I pray for personal strength and for forgiveness."

The president told Woodward: "I am prepared to risk my presidency to do what I think is right. I was going to act. And if it could cost the presidency, I fully realized that. But I felt so strongly that it was the right thing to do that I was prepared to do so."

Asked by Woodward how history would judge the war, Bush replied: "History. We don't know. We'll all be dead."

The president told Woodward he was cooperating on his book because he wanted the story of how the United States had gone to war in Iraq to be told. He said it would be a blueprint of historical significance that "will enable other leaders, if they feel like they have to go to war, to spare innocent citizens and their lives."

"But the news of this, in my judgment," Bush added, "the big news out of this isn't how George W. makes decisions. To me the big news is America has changed how you fight and win war, and therefore makes it easier to keep the peace in the long run. And that's the historical significance of this book, as far as I'm concerned."

Bush's critics have questioned whether he and his administration were focused on Iraq rather than terrorism when they took office early in 2001 and even after the Sept. 11 attacks. Former Treasury secretary Paul H. O'Neill and former White House counterterrorism coordinator Richard A. Clarke have made that charge in recently published memoirs.

According to "Plan of Attack," it was Cheney who was particularly focused on Iraq before the terrorist attacks. Before Bush's inauguration, Cheney sent word to departing Defense Secretary William S. Cohen that he wanted the traditional briefing given an incoming president to be a serious "discussion about Iraq and different options." Bush specifically assigned Cheney to focus as vice president on intelligence scenarios, particularly the possibility that terrorists would obtain nuclear or biological weapons.

Early discussions among the administration's national security "principals" -- Cheney, Powell, Tenet and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice -- and their deputies focused on how to weaken Hussein diplomatically. But Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz proposed sending in the military to seize Iraq's southern oil fields and establish the area as a foothold from which opposition groups could overthrow Hussein.

Powell dismissed the plan as "lunacy," according to Woodward, and told Bush what he thought. "You don't have to be bullied into this," Powell said.

Bush told Woodward he never saw a formal plan for a quick strike. "The idea may have floated around as an interesting nugget to chew on," he said.

White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr., according to Woodward, compared Bush to a circus rider with one foot on a "diplomacy" steed and the other on a "war" steed, both heading toward the same destination: regime change in Iraq. When it was clear that diplomacy would not get him to his goal, Card said, Bush let go of that horse and rode the one called war.

But as the planning proceeded, the administration began taking steps that Woodward describes as helping to make war inevitable. On Feb. 16, 2002, Bush signed an intelligence finding that directed the CIA to help the military overthrow Hussein and conduct operations within Iraq. At the time, according to "Plan of Attack," the CIA had only four informants in Iraq and told Bush that it would be impossible to overthrow Hussein through a coup.

In July, a CIA team entered northern Iraq and began to lay the groundwork for covert action, eventually recruiting an extensive network of 87 Iraqi informants code-named ROCKSTARS who gave the U.S. detailed information on Iraqi forces, including a CD-ROM containing the personnel files of the Iraq Special Security Organization (SSO).

Woodward writes that the CIA essentially became an advocate for war first by asserting that covert action would be ineffective, and later by saying that its new network of spies would be endangered if the United States did not attack Iraq. Another factor in the gathering momentum were the forces the military began shifting to Kuwait, the pre-positioning that was a key component of Franks's planning.

In the summer of 2002, Bush approved $700 million worth of "preparatory tasks" in the Persian Gulf region such as upgrading airfields, bases, fuel pipelines and munitions storage depots to accommodate a massive U.S. troop deployment. The Bush administration funded the projects from a supplemental appropriations bill for the war in Afghanistan and old appropriations, keeping Congress unaware of the reprogramming of money and the eventual cost.

During that summer, Powell and Cheney engaged in some of their sharpest debates. Powell argued that the United States should take its case to the United Nations, which Cheney said was a waste of time. Woodward had described some of that conflict in "Bush at War."

Among Powell's allies was Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to Bush's father, who wrote an op-ed piece against the war for the Wall Street Journal. After it was published in August 2002, Powell thanked Scowcroft for giving him "some running room." But Rice called Scowcroft to tell her former boss that it looked as if he was speaking for Bush's father and that the article was a slap at the incumbent president.

Despite Powell's admonitions to the president, "Plan of Attack" suggests it was Blair who may have played a more critical role in persuading Bush to seek a resolution from the United Nations. At a meeting with the president at Camp David in early September, Blair backed Bush on Iraq but said he needed to show he had tried U.N. diplomacy. Bush agreed, and later referred to the Camp David session with Blair as "the cojones meeting," using a colloquial Spanish term for courage.

After the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution authorizing the resumption of weapons inspections in Iraq, Bush became increasingly impatient with their effectiveness and the role of chief weapons inspector Hans Blix. Shortly after New Year's 2003, he told Rice at his Texas ranch: "We're not winning. Time is not on our side here. Probably going to have to, we're going to have to go to war."

Bush said much the same thing to White House political adviser Karl Rove, who had gone to Crawford to brief him on plans for his reelection campaign. In the next 10 days, Bush also made his decision known to Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell and the Saudi ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan. Bandar, who helped arrange Saudi cooperation with the U.S. military, feared Saudi interests would be damaged if Bush did not follow through on attacking Hussein, and became another advocate for war.

According to "Plan of Attack," Bush asked Rice and his longtime communications adviser, Karen Hughes, whether he should attack Iraq, but he did not specifically ask Powell or Rumsfeld. "I could tell what they thought," the president said. "I didn't need to ask their opinion about Saddam Hussein or how to deal with Saddam Hussein. If you were sitting where I sit, you could be pretty clear."

Rumsfeld, whom Woodward interviewed for three hours, is portrayed in the book as a "defense technocrat" intimately involved with details of the war planning but not focused on the need to attack Iraq in the same way that Cheney and some of Rumsfeld's subordinates such as Wolfowitz and Feith were.

Bush told Powell of his decision in a brief meeting in the White House. Evidently concerned about Powell's reaction, he said, "Are you with me on this? I think I have to do this. I want you with me."

"I'll do the best I can," Powell answered. "Yes, sir, I will support you. I'm with you, Mr. President."

Bush said he did not remember asking the question of his father, former president George H.W. Bush, who fought Iraq in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. But, he added that the two had discussed developments in Iraq.

"You know he is the wrong father to appeal to in terms of strength. There is a higher father that I appeal to," Bush said.

Describing what the 41st president said to him about Iraq, the 43rd president told Woodward:

"It was less 'Here's how you have to take care of the guy [Hussein]' and more 'I've been through what you've been through and I know what's happening and therefore I love you' would be a more accurate way to describe it."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A17347-2004Apr16?language=printer

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Re: Barack Obama is warned
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2008, 04:45:39 PM »
November 15, 2008
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5158569.ece

Barack Obama is warned to beware of a ‘huge threat’ from al-Qaeda
Security officials fear a ‘spectacular’ during the transition period



Yes even Biden thought this was likely  , I am certain that Osama and company would like to pull a big spectacular strike , but can they find another chink in our defenses? Do they have what it takes ?

And ...

Will there be any effect they would want from smacking the Obama administration? The world at large was never in Love with GWB but there was an outpouring of sympathy after 9-11. If the Al Queida really hurt BHO they would get nothing from it but loss of potential support.

I think that if Obama lets off the pressure on Al Queda , the Al Queda will claim it is because of fear , but this will draw snickers from anyone who had been awake for the last six years.;)

If BHO pours more effort into attacking the Al Queida Center and leadership , he can get a lot of support from us and gain support from the quarter of America that is not fond of him yet.

I see this aas a no loose decision for BHO, he merely needs to weigh which win he wants, and pick one.

Osama Bin Laden on the other hand ,has to choose between attacking in a small way or not attacking at all becomeing slowly less relivant because all of his relivance is based on the harm Al Queda can do , or attacking in a very harmfull way and suffering a repeat of the 9-11 debacle in which his staff and organisation invited the decimation that has happened to them every year since. Loose -loose for Osamas decision, he should pick carefully which loss is the one he shoots for.


There is a distinct possibility that Bin Laden was even more surprised than us at what happened with the Towers.  A good part of his plan failed miserably ( the part that was aimed at the White House) and another part  ( the Pentagon) was not nearly as successful as he hoped.  So while the shock of such a blatant attack was devastating and something that this country is something than the public never really conceived of, the actual attack  was not a great military win (if you consider that Bin Laden is at war with this country.)  Furthermore, the result of this attack has had them all on the run since that time.  Looking at the terrorist deaths reported is really like looking for a needle in a haystack.  Of course for the liberal media that would not be news worthy.  So we are barraged by reports of innocent deaths and our failures.  They even twist the death of our soldiers in a way that is foisted as blame instead of giving these brave young men and women the respect they deserve.  (excuse the personal rant in the last sentence)

I think that we are very proactive at looking for signs of terrorism and that probably a lot more than are reported are actually squelched.

Regardless, we are American and we won't live in fear.



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Re: Barack Obama is warned
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2008, 05:57:27 PM »
It is 7 if you count the planning process:

It's way more than 7 if you count the planning process. Clinton had the Pentagon continually update Iraq invasion plans.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2008, 09:40:35 PM »
It is 7 if you count the planning process:

It's way more than 7 if you count the planning process. Clinton had the Pentagon continually update Iraq invasion plans.

Of course- Bill is responsible for everything according to y'all fascist freaks. He must be GOD!

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2008, 09:57:14 PM »
Of course- Bill is responsible for everything according to y'all fascist freaks. He must be GOD!

He would have been irresponsible if he didn't have the Pentagon making war plans. As has every president since the Pentagon has been around.

The point, since your pointy little head is incapable of understanding it, is that every war - even Clinton's "minor policing engagements" - included years of planning.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2008, 10:02:13 PM »
if this is "far bigger than 9/11" within the context of our
current financial crisis Obama will probably be forced to
declare martial law!


Al Qaeda says order given for US attack ?far bigger than 9/11?
DEBKAfile Updates DEBKA-Net-Weekly Exclusive

November 16, 2008, 5:49 PM (GMT+02:00)
 
Osama bin Laden plans to test for Barack Obama like two former US presidents
DEBKAfile?s counter-terror sources report that US president-elect Barack Obama,
European and Russian heads of state in Washington for the G20 conference over
the weekend were briefed about a probable early al Qaeda attack.

Obama and his team have been advised that a new al Qaeda strike is highly probable
in the United States or against a key US target in Europe, North Africa or the Middle East.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly 372 of Nov. 14 disclosed that al Qaeda?s Yemen base, a reliable barometer
for Osama bin Laden?s schemes, issued a Directive to All Fighters in Arabia on Nov. 9 presaging
a major operation in the United States that will ?change the political and economic world? and be
?far bigger than 9/11.?
The notice said ?the operation is very near? and ?precise instructions were in the hands of ?the fighters,
who are already on their way to America? armed with bin Laden?s orders. The pretext offered for the attack
is the rejection by the US and Europe of al Qaeda?s four-year old truce offer whose original pre-condition
was the withdrawal of their armies from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The day after the new president?s election, al Qaeda issued a little-noticed statement declaring Barack Obama
a murtad, i.e. an apostate whose betrayal of Islam is judged the most heinous
. Believers have the duty to execute
a murtad unlike other non-believers whose death sentence is optional.

Thursday night, Nov. 14, Central Intelligence Director Gen. Michael Hayden said: ?Al Qaeda, operating from its safe
haven in Pakistan?s tribal areas, remains the most clear and present danger to the United States.? He was addressing
a Washington think-tank.

?Today, virtually every major terrorist threat that my agency is aware of has threads back to the tribal areas.
Whether it is command and control, training, direction, money, capabilities, there is a connection to the FATA
(Pakistan?s Federally Administered Tribal Areas.)?

Hayden also mentioned Yemen and Somalia as important al Qaeda theaters of operation.

In private, most heads of the intelligence agencies fighting al Qaeda admit that an attack on the United States
or major American interest outside is only a matter of time.

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Re: Barack Obama is warned
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2008, 10:11:18 PM »
Minor policing engagements are not the same as a full-blown, seven year long war. Juniorbush is the only one who did this and you know it.

In a few years, it will be a 7 year war.

We haven't been in Iraq 7 years and you know it.

It is 7 if you count the planning process:



washingtonpost.com
Bush Began to Plan War Three Months After 9/11
Book Says President Called Secrecy Vital
By William Hamilton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 17, 2004; Page A01


Beginning in late December 2001, President Bush met repeatedly with Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks and his war cabinet to plan the U.S. attack on Iraq even as he and administration spokesmen insisted they were pursuing a diplomatic solution, according to a new book on the origins of the war.

The intensive war planning throughout 2002 created its own momentum, according to "Plan of Attack" by Bob Woodward, fueled in part by the CIA's conclusion that Saddam Hussein could not be removed from power except through a war and CIA Director George J. Tenet's assurance to the president that it was a "slam dunk" case that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.




If you were to ask Saddam Hussein or one of his ardent supporters, there was a state of War between the US and Iraq for the whole period between 1991 and 2004.

Saddam himself didn't quit fighting till his capture , his sons quit when they fell in combat , the way that President Clinton conducted the war ,in slow motion , it might have lasted an hundred years.

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Re: Barack Obama is warned
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2008, 10:44:15 PM »
> the way that President Clinton conducted the war ,in slow motion , it might have lasted an hundred years.<
The McCain Plan! You should like that.