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The Worst of Both Worlds
« on: June 13, 2013, 07:27:00 AM »
The Worst of Both Worlds
By CHARLES M. BLOW
Congress’s approval rating is abysmal. No news there. But it’s important to understand why.

According to a Gallup poll released Wednesday, the reason most Americans disapprove of Congress isn’t because of a specific policy or bad ethical behavior but because of inaction and partisan gridlock. Americans believe that Congress is broken.

And there is no need for any banal stretch for a false equivalency to explain why that would be. The reason Congress doesn’t work is because Republican lawmakers have ceased to believe that it should. For too many of them, compromise has become synonymous with collusion. They would rather resist than work. So the wheels of government are screeching to a halt. Obstruction and bluster have replaced solutions and courage.

As the former Clinton labor secretary Robert Reich wrote last week:

“Conservative Republicans in our nation’s capital have managed to accomplish something they only dreamed of when Tea Partiers streamed into Congress at the start of 2011: They’ve basically shut Congress down. Their refusal to compromise is working just as they hoped: No jobs agenda. No budget. No grand bargain on the deficit. No background checks on guns. Nothing on climate change. No tax reform. No hike in the minimum wage. Nothing so far on immigration reform.”

On that last point at least, Congress has a chance at redemption. It may be the best chance this year — and possibly the last during the Obama administration.

But the Republican caucus is deeply torn about how to deal with — and discuss — comprehensive immigration reform. Acerbic dissension among conservatives is doing damage to the Republican brand even as the legislation holds the promise of lifting the Congressional brand.

This could mean that whatever comes of the bill — pass or fail — Republicans could in fact get the worst of both worlds. If it passes, Republicans are not likely to be credited with the victory, and if it fails they will most likely be seen as responsible for the failure.

They have only themselves to blame.

Last week, the Republican-led House of Representatives voted to defund the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals programs, essentially voting to deport more Dreamers. (Only six Republicans voted against defunding the program; only three Democrats voted for it.) After the vote, the Hispanic Caucus tweeted: “House Republicans just voted to treat Dreamers and undocumented spouses of servicemembers in the same way as violent criminals.”

When the Senate tried Tuesday to bring the “gang of eight” ’s immigration bill to the floor, all 15 senators who voted to filibuster the law were Republicans.

The optics on this bill don’t look good. And things get worse online, where many Republican commentators have dubbed the bill “Shamnesty.” Opponents of the measure accuse Republicans who are for it of being apostates to the conservative cause, concerned more about presidential politics than principle and defending the Constitution.

There may be some measure of truth in these charges. Most political positions have a degree of ambiguity, a mix of genuine concern and raw cynicism.

For instance, while Hispanics make up about 16 percent of the population as a whole, three of the four Republican members of the Senate’s “gang of eight” — John McCain, Jeff Flake and Marco Rubio — are from states where the Hispanic population is more than 22 percent.

The one exception is Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, whose Hispanic population is only about 5 percent, but he has his own particular problems.

First, as South Carolina’s Augusta Chronicle pointed out in 2011:

“South Carolina’s population grew by 15.3 percent during the past 10 years, but its Hispanic population grew 148 percent.” Those are the kinds of numbers that can make a politician sit up and take notice.

And Graham’s current electoral math seems tougher than his last time out.

According to an April Winthrop University poll: “United States Senator Lindsey Graham, who is up for re-election in 2014, received a 44 percent approval rating among South Carolina registered voters, but his approval rating has dropped from 71.6 percent to 57.5 percent among Republicans and those independents who lean toward the G.O.P. compared to the February poll.  This drop corresponds to the entry of two vocal challengers, and discussion of a third, into the primary race against him.”

Furthermore, McCain ran for president in 2008 and lost, in part because he lost the Hispanic vote 2-to-1 to Barack Obama. And Marco Rubio is almost certainly making a run for the White House in 2016.

Whatever these senators’ motives, it’s clear that the Hispanic population is growing in many of their Southern, stronghold states, and it’s becoming increasingly hard to imagine a presidential victory without substantial Hispanic support.

But it’s becoming just as apparent that far-right conservatives see immigration legislation that allows a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants as a suicidal mission.

The problem is that their overwrought opposition — which may well be futile — may prove as damaging to their party as to the legislation itself.



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Re: The Worst of Both Worlds
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2013, 11:23:02 AM »
It is amusing to watch the Angry Old Man Party celebrate their own demise by shooting themselves in the feet.

Marco Rubio is looking sillier by the minute, but Ted Cruz is coming across as even sillier.
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Re: The Worst of Both Worlds
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 01:20:30 PM »
From everything i have read about the bill it is poorly crafted. So why should it pass?

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 01:35:32 PM »
"The reason Congress doesn't work is because
Republican lawmakers have ceased to believe that it should"


Translantion:
Republicans should capitulate to Leftist demands.
Either go along with our agenda or you are the problem.
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2013, 01:49:47 PM »
It's always fascinating to watch how folks respond to the GOP, in that if they don't "compromise", then it's the GOP at fault (Bush in particular) for everything that goes wrong.  Especially when "compromise" is largely defined as "ok, we just won't grow the government quite as fast as we, the Democrats, want". 

How about this for a "compromise"......we won't shrink the government as much as we, Conservatives, would want".  How come no one ever hears about demands for Democrats compromising towards Conservative agendas?  It's always Conservatives and Republicans who are rhetorically strafed for not being liberal enough, and compromising in that direction

Here's hoping Ted Cruz wins the GOP nomination for a 2016 Presidential run.  He'll blow Biden out of the electoral water
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2013, 01:54:43 PM »
very true SIRS...
why wont the democrats just compromise on "school choice"?
why wont the democrats just compromise on abortion?
why wont the democrats just compromise and cancel ObamaCare?

democrats are usually not stupid
biden will not be the nominee
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 02:27:40 PM »
Cancelling Obamacare is not any sort of compromise.

Why not just leave abortion to the women who want to have one?

What the hell do you mean by "school choice"?
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2013, 05:24:18 PM »
Where the hell was the "compromise" in Obamacare's passing??  Had to pass it to see what was in it.  Not ONE republican vote for a monstrous bill that a majority of the population DID NOT WANT.  Yet Democrats rammed it through anyways

Now the Dems can't even compromise on their promise to compromise, with the Immigration Bill.  It's either their way or the highway, and if it doesn't pass, its because of the GOP??  I don't think so
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Re: The Worst of Both Worlds
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 06:08:48 PM »
In order to be a member of the rightwing in America you have to a PHBS. That's a PreNatal Bull Shit degree.

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 06:15:35 PM »
Naaaa, just have to have a grasp of both the U.S. Constitution & Rule of Law, along with what the word "fair" actually means
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 06:17:34 PM »
It is real simple. If there is no immigration bill, the GOP loses the Hispanic vote bigtime.

Then the Angry Old Fart Party will not even be relevant, and the bill will be passed.
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 06:27:19 PM »
It is real simple. If there is no immigration bill, the GOP loses the Hispanic vote bigtime.

If there's THIS immigration bill, in its current format, minus the compromises promised on securing the border, the GOP becomes a permanent minority.  Why do you think all the Dems are jumping up and down & giddy, at trying to pass this version?  That's exactly what they want

It's that simple. 

Contrary to popular leftist opinion, the "Hispanic vote" is not one big monolithic vote.  Millions of LEGAL hispanics aren't going to be very happy with an influx of 11+million more competitors for their jobs, and they're more financially attactive to businesses, than those here legally

Go back, and do it right



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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 06:50:58 PM »
It is not leftist opinion, it is a fact.

Obama got a bigger share of the Hispanic vote in 2008 than Juniorbush did in 2004. And an even bigger share in 2012.

De los hispanos no entiendes ni jota, pendejo.
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 07:01:02 PM »
It is not leftist opinion, it is a fact.

LOL....you best stop trying to push leftist talking points as fact, or you better start lining up more strawmen

My point remains unrefuted, that the hispanic vote is NOT some monolithic vote.  And if Hispanics come to realize the 11+million more competitors for their jobs, and that busnesses are going to be much more inclined to sign them vs those here legally, all in the blink of a signature, their supposed support for "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" will evaporate faster than one of your "facts"

As I said, the Immigration Bill in its CURRENT form is the foundation to a permanent GOP minority status.  Why else are Dems salivating at the thought of getting this version passed.  I mean look at Xo, trying to "help the GOP" by advocating their need to sign on.  If this was "good for the GOP, he and every other hard core leftist would be fighting tooth and nail against it

And THAT's a fact   

Go back, and do it right, which would include the compromises the Democrats promised

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 10:23:18 PM »
No vote of any group is monolithic. But again the Angry Old White Guy Party will not get a sizable Hispanic minority unless it passes an immigration bill.

I can say any damn thing I want. Your threats are futile. Your ignorance is abysmal.
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