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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2008, 10:59:12 PM »
Like what?

Guy lived in a high crime area, with police response times of >30 minutes.

Wife tells guy that someone was in the garage and came running at her.

When he goes out, guy runs at him (even though he's holding a clearly visible handgun) holding something metallic in his hand.

Just for starters.
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2008, 11:36:23 PM »
Whole story sounds phony to me.  Especially "running at the wife" in the garage, "running at the husband" in the car port.  The "something metallic in his hand" is a classic - - every unarmed victim of a fatal police shooting seems to have had this mystery item in his or her hand, which has the magical property of vanishing into thin air as soon as shots are fired.  The "high crime area" was also kinda problematic - - a barely relevant detail, probably applicable to at least 50% of Baton Rouge neighbourhoods and the police response time?  it is what it is.  Don't see any good reason why the guy couldn't have slammed the door on the kid and hunkered down inside with his gun, calling the police and waiting for them to get there.

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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2008, 11:50:53 PM »
The metallic object was a camera. It did not disappear.

The Japanese kid's friends said that he had a habit of running at people to give them hugs. Also, he was not wearing his contacts, which is why he didn't see the gun.

Knowing the facts makes it more plausible. Not that you care to hear the facts when you're on a good anti-America rant.

Any other questions?
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2008, 12:01:08 AM »
The metallic object was a camera. It did not disappear.

The Japanese kid's friends said that he had a habit of running at people to give them hugs. Also, he was not wearing his contacts, which is why he didn't see the gun.

Knowing the facts makes it more plausible. Not that you care to hear the facts when you're on a good anti-America rant.

Any other questions?

Come on Ami, it is not "anti-American" to admit that some gun owners have no business owning guns and there have been people killed in the name of self-defense who should not have been.

What his wife told him was not pertinent to the case. She could have told him that the kid had a sword covered in blood - that doesn't make it true and you know it.
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2008, 12:09:22 AM »
Mike, here's the wiki site on Yoshihiro Hattori and one on Adam Provencal who died under different circumstances, but around the same time.
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2008, 12:10:50 AM »
What his wife told him was not pertinent to the case.

Sure it is. If someone you love tells you that some weirdo charged her and that you should go get the gun to protect the family, would you stop to interrogate her?

It forms the basis for his actions. He was told that someone was trying to break in. He got his gun, and went outside. Someone he didn't know charged him after charging his wife, and in a brief moment he saw that the guy had something metallic in his hand. If someone is charging at me on my property, and I see the glint of metal in his hand, I will assume I'm under attack. It's a normal assumption in my opinion.
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2008, 12:15:19 AM »
Hattori Revisited

I wanted to touch on this story as a tangent to the greater current issue of press unreliability and the distortion of truth. It came up in a conversation I was having today having to do with how the view of our world is skewed through the reportage of the mass media. In "Bowling for Columbine," Michael Moore pointed out how U.S. television overplayed images of black criminals and underplayed white ones. A current version of that in Japan is the kind of crimes committed by members of the U.S. armed forces based here, and how they are amplified in the press--things like a pizza delivery guy getting pelted by a toy plastic pellet gun wielded by someone on an Okinawan base--hardly news, but it gets national coverage because the perp was from a U.S. base.

What might have been the definitive example for Japan-U.S. media distortion, however, was the case of Yoshi Hattori, the young Japanese exchange student shot to death by Rodney Peairs. When it occurred, I was a student at San Francisco State University, and wanting to get the straight details on the case, I accessed the college's LexisNexis account, and found court transcripts and other records which told a much different story than I'd heard popularly--and which put the incident in a completely different light than how it was represented in the press.

When I ask people to recall how young Hattori got shot, the general recollection was that Hattori went to the wrong address, was met by an aggressive, paranoid homeowner who raised a gun and yelled "freeze"; that Hattori thought he said, "please," and walked towards him, and then he got shot. That is the general story that was released in the media, and if you do a search on the story on the web, you will find that even today, the story persists.

But it is far from the truth. Vital facts were left out; the story was abbreviated, and was not told from all perspectives. Here's what I was able to piece together so many years ago from the materials I found.

First off, you should be made aware of two important facts that contribute to a completely new understanding of the case, facts which make the incident and some of its indirect causes far more clear. The greater of these two revelations was that Hattori wore contact lenses, but not on that night: he had lost one lens, and so went without. In other words, his eyesight was impaired. One would think this a fact of great importance to the case, but the press did not touch on it at all. The second fact was the friendly, almost puppylike nature of Hattori himself: when he saw his friends, he had a tendency to run up to them in greeting. This comes into play later as well. You should also know that Peairs' neighborhood was a high-crime area; that police response time was around 30 minutes (indeed, the ambulance that came for Hattori took that long to arrive). This contributes to Peairs' state of mind about whether he should handle the matter himself, or wait for law enforcement to arrive.

Here's what occurred that night, October 17, 1992. Hattori and Haymaker, on their way to a Halloween party, unknowingly arrived at the wrong address (two numbers in the address had been transposed). They walked up to the house and knocked (rang?) at the front door. Mrs. Peairs did not answer immediately because she was putting the kids to bed. She wondered who was at the door that late in the evening, in that neighborhood, with no visitors expected. By the time she got to the front door, no one was there. Hattori and Haymaker, wondering why their friends did not answer, had decided to try the carport door.

Now, a carport is like an open garage, and the door for it is not as "public" as the front door. In terms of personal space and perception, the carport door is somewhat more of an "inside" door, a door strangers do not come to. It is similar to a stranger coming to your side or back door at night--it makes you feel a little insecure. The two boys thought it was OK because they believed it was a friend's house. But when Mrs. Peairs, just having opened the front door to no one, heard the knocking at the carport door, it was far more worrying to her. She went to the carport door to see who it was.

However, by the time she got there, the boys, again wondering at the delay, had moved away from the door. When she opened the door, Hattori reacted as he did when he greeted new friends: he ran to the door to greet them. From the perspective of Mrs. Peairs, however, this was an entirely different event. She opened a private door to her home, saw two young men--one dressed as a bloody accident victim, the other as a disco star--and suddenly one of them ran at her. Her understanding of context--night in a high crime area, nobody expected, putting the kids to bed, strange youths who ditched the front door and came to an inside door--this made Hattori's playful greeting run appear frightening. So she freaked out. She slammed the door, ran to her husband, and told him strange young men were at the carport door, and one ran at her, so get the gun!

It is important in understanding what Rodney Peairs did to know that Peairs did not answer the door originally, had not seen what had happened, and did not lay eyes on either boy until he stepped out into the carport with his gun. He entered the situation knowing only what his wife had told him: that strange youths had come to the carport door and one had rushed at her. This left no room for doubt in his mind; he could not possibly know it was a friendly exchange student. Rather, his understanding of the local context along with his wife's frantic explanation and plea gave him only one clear understanding: young punks outside were threatening his family. Angry and perhaps afraid, he got his gun and went to the carport door.

And here was the critical error, the one that, more than anything else, caused the tragedy to occur--at least the only knowing error: Peairs went out into the carport. What he should have done was to make sure no one had come inside, locked all the doors and windows, called for the police, and waited inside with his gun, using it only if someone tried to enter. Going out and confronting thugs may be in accord with the macho code, but it is tactically unsound and generally unwise.

So Peairs stepped out, expecting that he was dealing with some kind of criminal element in his carport. By this time, Haymaker and Hattori had moved out beyond the parked cars in the carport; Haymaker was trying to explain to Hattori his suspicion that they were at the wrong house; Hattori still hadn't gotten the idea somehow. Then they heard Peairs call out to them, and say "Freeze!" Peairs raised the gun in plain sight.

Here's where the missing contact lenses came into play. Most people wonder, even if he didn't understand "freeze," why Hattori didn't see the gun. The missing contacts were why. He couldn't see. To Hattori, a friend had walked out, and Hattori rushed to greet him. But in Peairs' context, a clear warning had been given, and a gun had been displayed in plain sight. And yet, one of the young thugs he perceived in his driveway started to run right at him, holding some dark metallic object (it was a camera) in his hand. To Peairs, it could not have been more clear at the time. He fired his gun, and Hattori soon died.

Knowing the whole story makes a difference. With all of these facts stated, the Peairs' actions are far more understandable. There was still a tragic error and the fault was Mr. Peairs', but one can see now that Peairs was not the violent, paranoid gun nut he was made out to be in the press. Context and perspective are crucial for a clear view. The public, especially in Japan, was outraged when Peairs was cleared of wrongdoing in criminal court; if one knew the true story, one would not be surprised at all. Although Peairs made the error of stepping outside and was ultimately responsible for Hattori's death, what he did was within the law, especially under Louisiana's "shoot the burglar" statute.

Returning to the thesis of this entry, the distortion by the press was obviously a factual one, but also there was the element of degree: the Hattori story remained in the press for years, and for the first 18 months, Japanese papers ran stories on it several times every week. But, like the stories about U.S. military personnel in Okinawa, the story was run way out of proportion to its actual importance.

One day's second-page layout in the Daily Yomiuri exemplified the imbalance in ironic splendor. I saw it fully a year and two months after the Hattori incident, with Yoshi stories still running regularly. There was a 6-inch article on the continuing Hattori saga, about a planned film project called "The Boy Who Loved America"--talk about you bitterly ironic titles. But right next to it was a 2-inch piece about a death that had occurred just the day before. Somewhere in the Kansai region, a hunter had accidentally shot and killed a 62-year-old woman who was in the hills looking for wild vegetables to use during the New Year's holidays. The story, though fresh, ran just for that one day, and only got those two inches.

Reading these two articles together, it occurred to me that the Kansai story was in many ways identical to the Hattori story. A man, legally owning a gun and using it for legally allowed purposes (hunting, defending one's home), mistakes an innocent, on a holiday outing, for an acceptable target, shoots and kills them. The Kansai killing took place in a country where guns are as rare as gun deaths--and yet the incident barely made a ripple in the press. But the Hattori case, already more than a year old, demanded a story three times the length of the new story.

This is not what one could call "balanced reporting." But then, this is my contention: that the media does not balance, despite their claims to do so. They print what sells. They cater to stereotypes, reinforcing them.

Don't trust what you read. Don't trust that you're hearing all the pertinent facts or perspectives. Don't trust that anything is presented in proportion.

So how do we get the big picture? We don't, and that's what is important to realize: in this information age, we expect that it is possible to get all the facts, but it never is. When you regard an issue, keep in mind that you do not and will never know the whole story. Most people forget this and believe their conviction to be a virtue.

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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2008, 12:26:09 AM »
You've got to be kidding.

I read it.

So if the media told me about a contact lens and Hattori's "puppy-like nature" I'd have obviously seen the error of believing that the Louisiana man was completely justified in taking a human life.

Seriously Ami?

I'm not a rabid anti-gun person. I've shot plenty of them. My father-in-law owns quite a few and makes his own bullets. I've really got no problem with it.

But this is ridiculous. You're defending this guy? I could almost understand if the shooter had eye problems. I've honestly never read such a weak, steaming pile of dog poo.

1. The shooter got all hysterical and far exaggerated any possible threat.
2. Hattori was missing his contact lens.
3. Hattori had a puppy-dog nature about him.
4. The kids knocked on the wrong door.
5. Hattori was dressed like John Travolta.
6. The shooter murdered him.

This is your honest defense of killing another human being?

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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2008, 12:29:09 AM »
What his wife told him was not pertinent to the case.

Sure it is. If someone you love tells you that some weirdo charged her and that you should go get the gun to protect the family, would you stop to interrogate her?

It forms the basis for his actions. He was told that someone was trying to break in. He got his gun, and went outside. Someone he didn't know charged him after charging his wife, and in a brief moment he saw that the guy had something metallic in his hand. If someone is charging at me on my property, and I see the glint of metal in his hand, I will assume I'm under attack. It's a normal assumption in my opinion.

And after you've shot the guy that reads the meter attached to your house, you can expect questions.

Sorry, but you don't get a free pass just because you stay inside fretting for your life and worrying about thugs and burglars all the damned time. I could care less if it is a normal assumption. Killing a person takes more than gut reactions in a civil society. You take a life, you'll have to do better than "my wife was ranting about something, so I shot the guy."
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2008, 12:32:00 AM »
This is your honest defense of killing another human being?

"If someone is charging at me on my property, and I see the glint of metal in his hand, I will assume I'm under attack. It's a normal assumption in my opinion."

Add to that my wife yelling at me that someone charged at her, I was living in a high crime area, and I knew that I couldn't rely on a rapid police response, I'm entirely likely to have had the same reaction.
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2008, 12:33:16 AM »
And after you've shot the guy that reads the meter attached to your house, you can expect questions.

If the meter reader is charging at me at night with something metallic in his hand, yes, I would feel threatened.
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2008, 12:34:10 AM »
This is your honest defense of killing another human being?

"If someone is charging at me on my property, and I see the glint of metal in his hand, I will assume I'm under attack. It's a normal assumption in my opinion."

Add to that my wife yelling at me that someone charged at her, I was living in a high crime area, and I knew that I couldn't rely on a rapid police response, I'm entirely likely to have had the same reaction.

Well, if he other guy has a torn contact...
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2008, 12:37:29 AM »
Well, if he other guy has a torn contact...

That only explains why he charged at someone holding a gun. And, actually, he was not wearing any contacts.

Face it, if you saw someone pointing a gun at you, would you charge him and expect him to not shoot you?
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2008, 12:47:55 AM »
Well, if he other guy has a torn contact...

That only explains why he charged at someone holding a gun. And, actually, he was not wearing any contacts.

Face it, if you saw someone pointing a gun at you, would you charge him and expect him to not shoot you?

Different culture. Most other nations aren't used to having weapons pointed at them.
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Re: Oh brother
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2008, 12:59:09 AM »
Different culture. Most other nations aren't used to having weapons pointed at them.

The guy doing the shooting grew up in the US, and the incident happened in the US. The only reason he could see for someone to charge at him in the dark with a metallic object in his hand while he was holding a gun on him is if he was crazy or on drugs or meant to seriously hurt him.

You're so good at seeing the viewpoints of others, then try to see the viewpoint of the guy who was being charged on his own property.
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