All the outrage over one guy in a 50 person church burning a few Korans...but

[Christians4LessGvt]

Apparently in his locale he needs a permit to build a bonfire, which he was denied.

He could probably buy one of these and not need a permit.



http://www.walmart.com/ip/Better-Homes-and-Garden-Iron-Outdoor-Fire-Pit/7976522

[BT]

Yeah but where are the headlines in that?

[Kramer]

Yeah but where are the headlines in that?

what are they gunna do hang him, put him in jail for 20 years? It's probably just a misdemeanor punishable with a fine or no more than 90 days in the slammer.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Yeah but where are the headlines in that?

I don't think the size of the flames is what will get the headlines,
but I could be wrong....maybe he would need a big fire.

BTW....as we are all OUTRAGED about burning the book...the Ramadan Death Toll Passed 1000 today!!!
Now after reviewing all the deaths and dead bodies radical Muslims caused in the name of Islam
lets go back to spending our time on what we should really be outraged about!  

2010.09.09 (Yala, Thailand) - Muslims shoot a 52-year-old Buddhist in the head and kick his body under a bridge.
2010.09.09 (Vladikavkaz, Russia) - A Shahid drives an explosives-laden vehicle into a market, blasting seventeen shoppers to bits.
2010.09.09 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - Five Fedayeen suicide bombers storm an airport and kill nine others, including two women.
2010.09.09 (Kurram, Pakistan) - Militants murder ten bus passengers with an explosive device.
2010.09.09 (Diyala, Iraq) - A woman is beheaded in her own home by suspected al-Qaeda insurgents.
2010.09.09 (Muqdadiya, Iraq) - A cleric is beheaded and set on fire by Freedom Fighters.

[BT]

Looks like Muslims are slackers. Christians in Mexico have killed that many in a quarter.

Damn Christians.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Looks like Muslims are slackers. Christians in Mexico have killed that many in a quarter.
Damn Christians.

Nice try Dr. BT!...but sir that is what we call an apples to oranges alert!
but dont feel bad it is not an uncommon attempt at moral equivalence...
AKA "wussification excuses" to hide the truth about islam
this isn't a discussion about crime in general
in this discussion we are talking about korans, religions, people motivated by their religion
the killings in Mexico are not motivated by religion
the murderers in Mexico are not religious extremist quoting the Bible as their motivation
come on....
the murderers in Mexico have no goal to set up a government based on religious law (sharia)
it's a ridiculous and non-logical analogy
no one claims there are not other forms of "bad guys" in the world besides whackjobs motivated by Islam
but it is a reality that no other religion on the planet has the violent extremist motivated and
quoting the religion as their motivation to blow up, murder, maim, people all over the globe.

[BT]

Just to be clear, you are less concerned about the casualties than you are the reasons given for those casualties?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The idiocy and fanaticism of select Muslims does not justify stupid symbolic gestures by a silly Christian preacher.

"There is no need to seek a rhyme for a fart," as the saying goes.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Just to be clear, you are less concerned about the casualties than you are the reasons given for those casualties?

Just to be clear...I am not "less concerned" about victims of crime from
other sources but I see it as "a dodge" to bring up violence not in any way
connected to religion when the subject is discussing & comparing violence
and terror motivated by religions. To equate and pretend that Mexican drug
wars are somehow connected with Christianity is ludicrous in my mind.
Mexican drug lords that are killing people aren't proclaiming they are doing
what they do because of anything related to or connected to Christianity.....
but al-Qaida and other radical Muslims sure do proclaim their connection to Islam.
Why pretend Islam like no other current religion has a very serious world wide
well financed problem within it's midst? Is political correctness so pervasive that
it is difficult to admit the obvious?

[BT]

Drug lords are to Christianity as terrorists are to Islam.

Does it really matter that they couch their violence in religious terms? Dead is dead no matter the reason.

That's the problem with broad brushes.

[Christians4LessGvt]

"Drug lords are to Christianity as terrorists are to Islam"

How so?
I see zero connection with drug Lords and Christianity.
Can you provide any sources showing Mexican drug lords using Christianity as their motivation?
Can you provide any sources of drug lords wanting to overthrow gvts & set up Christian nations?
Can you provide any sources of drug lords quoting the bible to justify their crimes?
Can you provide any sources of drug lords shouting Allahu Akbar or Jesus Is Great while killing their victims?

Are you trying to argue Radical Islam is not connected to Islam?
Do you deny the existence of "Radical Islam"?
Radical Islam carries out violence in the name of Islam on the front pages on newspapers daily worldwide.
What other religious entities bring suicide bombers killing innocents almost daily?

Does it really matter that they couch their violence in religious terms?

Yes....if the discussion involves violence coming from religions.
Are you saying that is an "off limits" topic?
Should we not discuss if one religion has a major problem within it?
is that Shhhhhh we can't discuss reality?
political correctness wants to shield and hide from whats really going on?

Dead is dead no matter the reason.

So if people all of sudden are dying from one cause
that cause should not be discussed on it's own merits
because people still die from other causes?

Dead is dead but if one entity is causing more deaths
of innocents than other entities then why avoid the topic?
Pretend that Islam & most worldwide terror attacks are not related?
Ignoring reality is dangerous.

That's the problem with broad brushes.

Broad brushes are a problem, but stating there is a huge problem
within Islam where people motivated by Islam are using violence
in the name of Islam to kill and maim thousands of people is not
a "broad brush" it is a statement of undeniable fact.

[BT]

How so?

Mexico is by a vast majority a Christian nation.

Mexican drug lords by definition are Mexican and therefore most likely Christian. More likely Catholic, lapsed or otherwise.

I never claimed that religion was the drug lords motivation. But the fact remains that they are most likely Christian.

And because of that all of Christianity is to blame for their sins.

That's the logic with Islam isn't it? Terrorists are Muslim ergo Islam has a problem.

We are at war with terror, should we declare open season on Middle easterners because the vast majority are Muslim?


Is that how it works?

[Christians4LessGvt]

But the fact remains that they are most likely Christian.
And because of that all of Christianity is to blame for their sins.

Yes Christianity would have a very serious problem if the Mexican drug lords were actually
stating over and over and over and over again that the reason they were killing all their victims
was entirely because they were motivated by Christianity. Of course that is not anywhere
near reality...again a ridiculous analogy.

That's the logic with Islam isn't it? Terrorists are Muslim ergo Islam has a problem.

Yes that is pretty much reality.
If most of the terrorists killing people everyday say they are doing it because of Islam, then yeah Islam has a problem.

We are at war with terror, should we declare open season on
Middle easterners because the vast majority are Muslim? Is that how it works?

Uh no...but implying racism is a nice fall-back lately when people speak the truth about
politically incorrect sacred off limit topics. We are at war with terror and Muslim terrorists
are a very, very large part of worldwide terrorism.

BTW...as we approach the ninth anniversary of Sept 11, do you think the motivation
of the Sept 11 terrorists is an "insignificant fact" that should not be reported in historical
reports of the event? Going forward as a society should we not mention the motivation
for the largest terror attack in US history because someone might be offended?

[BT]

I think Bin Ladens motivation was political. And couching it in religious terms is just a means to gain recruits. His goal primarily is to get the infidels out of the middle east and to punish the Saudi royalty for allowing them to come in.

When he was on our side he wanted to get rid of the Soviets. Now he wants us out of there. Nothing spiritual about it.

To be quite honest with you , i would be happy if the entire middle east were turned to glass. And i seriously doubt if that falls under a PC mantra.

[Christians4LessGvt]

I think Bin Ladens motivation was political. And couching it in religious terms is just a means to gain recruits.
To be quite honest with you , i would be happy if the entire middle east were turned to glass.

Well we can finally pretty much agree on something in this thread.
Yeah Bin Laden (and in my opinion Islam) is not just a religious movement but a political total control entity.
I don't think the Pope wants to write legislation in Washington or other capitals, but I think Muslim Clerics do.
In my opinion Islam wants to control not just the spiritual, but government, the press, ect... as well.
Thats why I find it odd that Islam appears to be the only religion passionately defended by the American Left.
Oh wait a minute...maybe....ummm....now I get it....it's because Islam is basically an anti-American, anti-Western "religion"!
Maybe the Left & liberals stand up for Islam because it is an anti-American, anti-Western "religion", & they identify with that.
Yes....they have a common bond!


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