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He may be right
« on: March 29, 2007, 05:37:03 PM »
Castro said more than 3 billion people in the world were condemned to die prematurely of hunger or thirst from plans by his ideological foe, the United States, to convert foodstuffs like corn into fuel for cars.



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Re: He may be right
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2007, 05:45:23 PM »
Cuba still grows tons of sugar, no?

They trying to ban corn ethanol?

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Re: He may be right
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2007, 05:51:56 PM »
Cuba still grows tons of sugar, no?

They trying to ban corn ethanol?



Brazil has had some success , I think that President Bush is interested in their example.

But we are exporting more food than any rival grower , we are one of the reasons that the worlds population can double in thirty years with less famine than thirty years ago.

How much space are we going to devote to raiseing fuel?

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Re: He may be right
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 05:55:36 PM »
But we are exporting more food than any rival grower

If you look at the figures, you will soon realize that the US almost literally feeds the world.
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Re: He may be right
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2007, 06:15:55 PM »
brazil doesn`t use corn

I`m not sure the U.S. can politically produce ethanol effectively.
we can`t even produce sugar cheaply,due to sugar lobbies

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Re: He may be right
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2007, 07:03:48 PM »
Brazil uses sugar, Cuba would use sugar. We currently use corn, but there are a wide variety of plants and trees that would suffice.

They are converting pine sawdust from sawmills right now in a pilot program here in georgia.


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Re: He may be right
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2007, 07:10:18 PM »
wouldn`t sawdust be methenol?
as mentined here earlier
we should be using any one single method
way too much is said about corn
how power derived by what plentiful in that area?
like sawdust in your region or converting kuzu as a fuel.
isn`t kudzu free?
nobody actually grows it.


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Re: He may be right
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2007, 07:19:29 PM »
The Southern states planted kudzu as a means of erosion control. And yeah it would be a pretty decent renewable resource.


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Re: He may be right
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2007, 07:26:41 PM »

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Re: He may be right
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2007, 08:30:17 PM »
Would the very same taxes applied liquor be applied to ethenol fuel made here?
meaning it woulds still be prohibitedly expensive anyway.

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Re: He may be right
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2007, 09:39:29 PM »
wouldn`t sawdust be methenol?

Yeah; so? It can still be used as a fuel, you just don't want to drink it. They are both alcohols.

isn`t kudzu free?
nobody actually grows it.

Actually, since it's edible, people grow it. There is a kudzu farm in Rutherfordton, NC that I know of.

Interesting factoid about kudzu: some herbicides (chemicals used to kill plants) actually make kudzu grow better.
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Re: He may be right
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2007, 09:43:26 PM »
I thought it would be easier to get methenol from stream and natural gas
than from saw dust

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Re: He may be right
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2007, 10:32:49 PM »
I thought it would be easier to get methenol from stream and natural gas
than from saw dust

Getting it from wood means that you can use a bacteria to make it for you. Takes longer, but it's cheap on labor and infrastructure costs; people can make it around their house.
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Re: He may be right
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2007, 11:13:59 AM »
Sugarcane is a far better source of ethanol than corn. It is simply more efficient. Though the best source is through petroleum from hydration. The U.S. Government actually penalizes Chemical companies who make Ethanol fuel this way and subsidises the companies that make it through the less efficient method from corn. It makes for an interesting wedge effect on the market where chemical companies have to purchase ethanol for their own use when they could make it themselves (thous some are obviously large enough to absorb the added cost).
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Re: He may be right
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2007, 01:47:17 PM »
I think this is good example  of the  the U.S. is not politically able to produce alcohol efficiently.

through petroleum from hydration????

where can I find out more
I typed that on google and got different stuff
whats this process called