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Title: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 02:08:09 PM
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Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 22, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
pornblocker is making it a blank space
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: sirs on April 22, 2011, 02:19:46 PM
I was watching our weekly fill of the show Survivor, and I'm sure the folks that choose the participants do consider the possible/plausible reactions folks are likely to have, when placed with so many other strangers, on some island, eating rice all the time.  Point being, there's a participant, who keeps referencing that he's a "Federal Agent", with the consistent "?" always placed after it.  He also happens to be African American.  he also happens to be quite....shall I say, a little "off the wall", in his antics.  Well, he and another participant, began to argue about the rice, and it apparently got quite heated, and our "Agent" was definitely getting a little ridiculous, not in his demands, but in how he was demanding it.  Well, the other participant tried to blow it off, by saying "you're crazy", by which the agent concurred, with the obvious tone of trying to make himself appear more "dangerous".  Our "agent" then proceded to pull the race care, claiming that's why he was called "crazy".  Not because of any of his rhetoric or antics, but because he was black.  He then started using the N-word, in every other sentence (bleeped of course for TV)

It was quite the picture of "race relations", all rolled up in a reality show.  Yes, there are editors, and yes, its likely the editing painted a greater perspective of what the producers & editors wished to show its viewers.  That said, I have no doubt that our fine "Federal Agent" was serious when he made the accusations.  Just as I have no doubt that the fella that said he was crazy, had absolutely no racial animosity or hateful intent, when he rightly called our "Agent" crazy
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 03:26:29 PM
I saw it too. It's a classic case of what's happening all over America between blacks & whites. I'm certain that 90% of race problems between whites & blacks are because of black people's distorted perceptions just like Philip of Survivor. Race-baiters like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and our Community Organizer president are mostly to blame for this attitude seeping out of the black community. No doubt the press has helped too. White guilt from people like XO hasn't helped much either. Naturally, like most scumbags, the Democrat Party has been happy to milk the situation for all it's worth and contribute to the division.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: sirs on April 22, 2011, 03:56:49 PM
Ahh, yes, you saw it as well.  Wow, quite a window to observe American race relations.  Notice how well Philip's keen "federal agent" sense was able to accurately weed out who was the culprit in the shortsnapping.  Likely provides an accurate assessment in the rest of his judgement processing, specifically as it relates to whats racially motivated, vs what's not
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 22, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
i dont need this kind of crap.....
proud to say i am and will be a part of "white flight"
i am headin this way 4TwoLong

(http://shadygladeresort.com/files/34793660.jpg)


Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 05:09:07 PM
Ahh, yes, you saw it as well.  Wow, quite a window to observe American race relations.  Notice how well Philip's keen "federal agent" sense was able to accurately weed out who was the culprit in the shortsnapping.  Likely provides an accurate assessment in the rest of his judgement processing, specifically as it relates to whats racially motivated, vs what's not

Yeah I noticed that too.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 05:12:13 PM
i dont need this kind of crap.....
proud to say i am and will be a part of "white flight"
i am headin this way 4TwoLong

(http://shadygladeresort.com/files/34793660.jpg)

Good for you -- have a great time!

Yeah I'm counting down the days for my Hawaii vacation too. At least 20 times a day I think about it. May 16th-27th!
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 05:15:33 PM
Another one to file in the Race Relations Department.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379046/Florida-Britons-searching-meal-early-hours-missed-turning-It-cost-lives.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379046/Florida-Britons-searching-meal-early-hours-missed-turning-It-cost-lives.html)
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 22, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
here it black flight.

years ago all the very cheap property was bought up by the african american community. but most of those owners turned out to be responsible tax paying people. not exactly  the kind of people present day san francisco set up to handle. so black flight is happening.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 22, 2011, 05:33:00 PM
kramer

that was happening here also, tourist were getting shot last year.people are finally connecting economic lose to high crime here.so crime is finally going down for the moment. so of the local are complaining the police are to gungho about it.

I don`t see a problem.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 22, 2011, 05:44:10 PM
It is unclear what the fight was about. There is no explanation of what they were fighting about.

I have never seen anything like this in Miami.

And I fail to see how my supposed "guilt" could have anything to do with it. There are violent Black and White people in this country, but fortunately not many like this.


Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 22, 2011, 07:35:37 PM
Good for you -- have a great time!

Kramer......I am talking permanently!
I hope to maybe semi-retire in the next 6-8 years....
maybe go to a 3 day work week
be off fri/sat/sun/mon....work tues/wed/thurs
spend at least half my time away from all the "garbage" in the big city

(http://www.971talk.com/Pics/lake-house.jpg)


I'm counting down the days for my Hawaii vacation too. At least 20 times a day I think about it. May 16th-27th!

Excellent....that's going to be nice!
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 07:48:43 PM
Living on a lake would be great. I have always lived close to the ocean so I have to be near water. Where is that house at? Looks like a really cool place to live or vacation at.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 07:51:23 PM
It is unclear what the fight was about. There is no explanation of what they were fighting about.

I have never seen anything like this in Miami.

And I fail to see how my supposed "guilt" could have anything to do with it. There are violent Black and White people in this country, but fortunately not many like this.

I read enough of your stuff to know that you are an enabler. Liberals like you are ruining this country. I don't need to go into details because it would be fruitless. It's something that you just can't possibly understand so it would be a waste of time.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 07:56:34 PM
kramer

that was happening here also, tourist were getting shot last year.people are finally connecting economic lose to high crime here.so crime is finally going down for the moment. so of the local are complaining the police are to gungho about it.

I don`t see a problem.

I seriously doubt I will ever set foot in Mexico again. An I have spent a lot if time there ever since I was a teenager.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 22, 2011, 08:01:13 PM
Where is that house at? Looks like a really cool place to live or vacation at.

somewhere in Texas.....I think
I have a house plan kind of like that with a full 360 wrap-around porch.
want it to make it look like an old Texas white-clap-board school-house.
want it to be brand new but look like it could be 100 years old....
or even something small like this...
http://www.stonoverfarm.com/content.php?section_id=46&page_id=133 (http://www.stonoverfarm.com/content.php?section_id=46&page_id=133)
i recently sold my lake lot and bought a newer house in the city....
so my country place got put on hold a couple years
but like you i wanna be near water and out about 1.5 hours from the big city "garbage"
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 08:36:16 PM
Where is that house at? Looks like a really cool place to live or vacation at.

somewhere in Texas.....I think
I have a house plan kind of like that with a full 360 wrap-around porch.
want it to make it look like an old Texas white-clap-board school-house.
want it to be brand new but look like it could be 100 years old....
or even something small like this...
http://www.stonoverfarm.com/content.php?section_id=46&page_id=133 (http://www.stonoverfarm.com/content.php?section_id=46&page_id=133)
i recently sold my lake lot and bought a newer house in the city....
so my country place got put on hold a couple years
but like you i wanna be near water and out about 1.5 hours from the big city "garbage"

The school house looks good. Maybe when XO dies we you can have him stuffed and put him on display as the former school teacher. That would add a little realistic touch to it.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 22, 2011, 09:19:22 PM
Kramer....when we meet XO at the 3DHS Convention
i think he will be ok....and somebody it would be nice
to have a glass of wine or two with....he seems like
a pretty educated guy.....just misguided. I had lots
of professors in college just like XO that I had a lot
of fun with and actually befriended although we
were polar opposite on the political scale.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 22, 2011, 09:34:01 PM
Kramer....when we meet XO at the 3DHS Convention
i think he will be ok....and somebody it would be nice
to have a glass of wine or two with....he seems like
a pretty educated guy.....just misguided. I had lots
of professors in college just like XO that I had a lot
of fun with and actually befriended although we
were polar opposite on the political scale.

That's one more reason to have him stuffed. When & where is the 3DHS Convention?
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 23, 2011, 12:50:02 AM
I can't imagine how anything I could say or do would cause a fight like that.

And neither can you.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 23, 2011, 10:53:50 AM
I can't imagine how anything I could say or do would cause a fight like that.

And neither can you.

Of course you couldn't, Liberals never understand or get the ramifications of their stupid plans, laws, programs & controls they exert over society. That is why they are cancer to society. Thar is why they ruin lives, cities, states and communities. Every single liberal cause is frought with ruination. Their ideas are poorly thought out and based on emotion not logic! Liberalism has damaged race relations to the extent they won't be repaired in our lifetime. You have your silly stand on everything from race to Global Warming and have ruined millions of peoples lives with stupid moronic dumb unworkable programs that are wasteful, heavy handed, controlling and simply don't work. LBJ & The Great Society wasted trillions and put black people on the ruination path they are on today. You support Affirmative Action which has divided races and not helped black people. Your liberal ides suck and you will never take credit for their failure to our nation.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Religious Dick on April 23, 2011, 11:27:23 AM
There's a lively discussion going on about this incident at Roissy's...

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/proximity-diversity-war/ (http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/proximity-diversity-war/)

Same as they say, you can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time...
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 23, 2011, 12:09:11 PM
There's a lively discussion going on about this incident at Roissy's...

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/proximity-diversity-war/ (http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/proximity-diversity-war/)

Same as they say, you can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time...

The race war has begun

Is it black against white or black against every other race?
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 23, 2011, 12:55:03 PM
When & where is the 3DHS Convention?
I think it is still in the planning stages,
but I believe it is going to be in the
Florida Keys.  ;)

(http://ryantenzeldam.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/corona.jpg)
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 23, 2011, 01:02:43 PM
actually it`s both.
a old friend of mine(a black person) was just coming to visit me and (i`m a witness )was  confronted by some guy for no reason. he was simply walking toward me. net even a bumping . I later notice this happens abit with other african-americans.

I say both sides are to be blamed and finding out whose more at fault will not solve anything.

but the only viable solution is for all minorities be more vocal no matter how minor.

kramer will back me up on this . nobody likes a quiet wimp.

Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 23, 2011, 04:23:13 PM
There is no race war. This video of what appears to be three Black women beating up a White woman is not a race war. Something caused it, perhaps it is drug-related. We cannot tell whether the White woman did anything to the Black women, all there is is a brawl.

And affirmative action had nothing to do with it, and neither did I.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 23, 2011, 04:51:58 PM
There is no race war. This video of what appears to be three Black women beating up a White woman is not a race war. Something caused it, perhaps it is drug-related. We cannot tell whether the White woman did anything to the Black women, all there is is a brawl.

And affirmative action had nothing to do with it, and neither did I.

If you were paying attention to other black on white beatings around the country you might see the writing on the wall. You should have noticed that all the blacks at the beating scene, even bystanders, did nothing to help the white girl. The black manager could have helped her but gave little effort. All this after we were told that electing a black man as president was going to fix race relations. It took an old white women to come to her aid. So what do you think the white girl might have done to warrant the black attack? Is there any situation that you can come up with that would be good cause for 3 white girls to beat the living hell out of a black girl whilst all the white people watched & did nothing? If the Great Society & Affirmative Action were so great why are we at such a low point now with race relations? Is it because whites haven't given up enough, done enough, become more sensitive? I can tell you that Oprah & Rap stars would not be rich and famous if not for white people. I can tell you that Obama would not be president if not for white people. I can tell you that Obama will not be president in 2012 because of white people. So the big aspect of the problem isn't white people. It's race-bating black people and liberals like you that have enabled them to become dependent, lazy, and expecting of society to support them and somebody drilled the notion into their heads that they deserve special treatment, which is racism. But of course none of this makes any sense to you.

And further, I am more than happy to say these things because I want to confront real issues and your race-bating tactics just won't deter me.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 23, 2011, 06:33:55 PM
I have done nothing to encourage anyone, White or Black, to beat up on anyone, ever.

I was not there. I am entirely not responsible.

One of the bloggers that commented on this suggested that the White woman was a male transvestite and had used the women's restroom. I saw no proof of this.
Had I been there, I would have told the manager to call the police, or would have done so myself, and tried to separate the women who were fighting.

I suppose you are going to tell me that if John McCain had been elected president, this would never have happened.

And that is absurd.

I have watched Oprah a couple of dozen times since she has been on. She is as good an interviewer as Donahue, and I fail to see any harm that she has done to anyone. I dislike rap music, whether performed by Black or White people, but if people like it, they have every right to listen to it or Klingon opera or anything else they choose, expecially if I do not have to hear it.
. Again I fail to see why you think that this is in any way significant. The United States has ALWAYS been a multiracial nation. ALWAYS. It is only recently that minority culture and majority culture have merged to such a degree. 

Being as I was an educator in a mostly Black college/university for 32 years, I hardly think that means that I have even encouraged anyone to be lazy or unproductive, but precisely the opposite. At the beginning of every semester, I handed out a syllabus detailing everything that was expected of my students, and how everyone was graded, and I followed this scrupulously. In 32 years, I had three students appeal a grade, each of them having made a D or an F, and the difference being the difference between graduating or repeating the course. Since all three had missed over a third of the class sessions, the grade appeal in over each of these three (out of over 7000 students) was denied. My course evaluations generally indicated that students considered me both fair and demanding with regard to my performance.

You are a racist, a flake and a screamer, Kramer, with a mind hopelessly polluted with right wing garbage. You have no qualifications to judge me.

Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 23, 2011, 09:52:00 PM
I have done nothing to encourage anyone, White or Black, to beat up on anyone, ever.

I was not there. I am entirely not responsible.

One of the bloggers that commented on this suggested that the White woman was a male transvestite and had used the women's restroom. I saw no proof of this.
Had I been there, I would have told the manager to call the police, or would have done so myself, and tried to separate the women who were fighting.

I suppose you are going to tell me that if John McCain had been elected president, this would never have happened.

And that is absurd.

I have watched Oprah a couple of dozen times since she has been on. She is as good an interviewer as Donahue, and I fail to see any harm that she has done to anyone. I dislike rap music, whether performed by Black or White people, but if people like it, they have every right to listen to it or Klingon opera or anything else they choose, expecially if I do not have to hear it.
. Again I fail to see why you think that this is in any way significant. The United States has ALWAYS been a multiracial nation. ALWAYS. It is only recently that minority culture and majority culture have merged to such a degree. 

Being as I was an educator in a mostly Black college/university for 32 years, I hardly think that means that I have even encouraged anyone to be lazy or unproductive, but precisely the opposite. At the beginning of every semester, I handed out a syllabus detailing everything that was expected of my students, and how everyone was graded, and I followed this scrupulously. In 32 years, I had three students appeal a grade, each of them having made a D or an F, and the difference being the difference between graduating or repeating the course. Since all three had missed over a third of the class sessions, the grade appeal in over each of these three (out of over 7000 students) was denied. My course evaluations generally indicated that students considered me both fair and demanding with regard to my performance.

You are a racist, a flake and a screamer, Kramer, with a mind hopelessly polluted with right wing garbage. You have no qualifications to judge me.

As usual it comes down to your insults rather than admitting your part in the ruination of black peoples lives by supporting racist liberal policies. Of course you aren't directly responsible but supporting the politicians that you support makes you a bit guilty & surely doesn't insulate you from the role you played. I knew what I said would go completely over your head or you would just deny or deflect. Advocates like you rarely if ever admit or recognize their role in the failure of their programs. You get what you deserve for being a RACE-BAITER!
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Plane on April 23, 2011, 11:09:07 PM
  I don't agree that Liberals have first hand responsibility for problems that make people dependants of the government.

  I think that there is an involvement , but it is not so direct that they can tell it.

   I agree more with Bill Crosby who is prone to point out the same problems you are , but he is blameing the persons who make the bad choice not the people who are trying to help and sometimes makeing the bad choice more surviveable.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 23, 2011, 11:37:30 PM
  I don't agree that Liberals have first hand responsibility for problems that make people dependants of the government.

  I think that there is an involvement , but it is not so direct that they can tell it.

   I agree more with Bill Crosby who is prone to point out the same problems you are , but he is blameing the persons who make the bad choice not the people who are trying to help and sometimes makeing the bad choice more surviveable.

Come on Plane, there's a good reason 98% of blacks vote Democrat. It's a very unhealthy relationship between the Democrat Party and the majority of blacks. Yes it's the law breaking persons fault but look at these shit-hole ghettos or shall I say Projects that the government provides to these people. Look at the lousy education they get for top dollars paid. Look at blacks that run black cities and school districts that are over-paid and unqualified for the positions held and nobody does anything about it because they are afraid to be called racist by people like XO. It's a mess and white people need to stop with the kid gloves and start some tough love tactics. Black people need to support themselves and earn their jobs (stop Affirmative Action) so they can have pride and feel good about themselves. Democrats give away crumbs for votes. They are guilty of keeping these people in the poor house, down at the bottom with their hands out. It's truly despicable, it's sad, reprehensible and unconscionable. There's a reason there are signs in our national parks that say Don't Feed The Animals. Are your children 35 years old and still living in your house? If so then it a similar problem we have with blacks and poppa government.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 24, 2011, 01:30:26 PM
Kramer wants to practice "Tough Love" tactics.

No doubt by dressing in satin robes and pointy hoods and burning crosses on Black people's lawn to tell them that they are too dependent on government.

Kramer is into hate and acting like a tough guy.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 24, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Kramer wants to practice "Tough Love" tactics.

No doubt by dressing in satin robes and pointy hoods and burning crosses on Black people's lawn to tell them that they are too dependent on government.

Kramer is into hate and acting like a tough guy.

That is pretty much what the Democrat Party has been doing to blacks for the last 50 years. As a matter of fact wasn't Sen Robert Byrd a KKK leader? We all know that didn't bother any Democrats. XO aren't you a registered Democrat?
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Plane on April 24, 2011, 03:14:03 PM
  I don't agree that Liberals have first hand responsibility for problems that make people dependants of the government.

  I think that there is an involvement , but it is not so direct that they can tell it.

   I agree more with Bill Crosby who is prone to point out the same problems you are , but he is blameing the persons who make the bad choice not the people who are trying to help and sometimes makeing the bad choice more surviveable.

Come on Plane, there's a good reason 98% of blacks vote Democrat. It's a very unhealthy relationship between the Democrat Party and the majority of blacks. Yes it's the law breaking persons fault but look at these shit-hole ghettos or shall I say Projects that the government provides to these people. Look at the lousy education they get for top dollars paid. Look at blacks that run black cities and school districts that are over-paid and unqualified for the positions held and nobody does anything about it because they are afraid to be called racist by people like XO. It's a mess and white people need to stop with the kid gloves and start some tough love tactics. Black people need to support themselves and earn their jobs (stop Affirmative Action) so they can have pride and feel good about themselves. Democrats give away crumbs for votes. They are guilty of keeping these people in the poor house, down at the bottom with their hands out. It's truly despicable, it's sad, reprehensible and unconscionable. There's a reason there are signs in our national parks that say Don't Feed The Animals. Are your children 35 years old and still living in your house? If so then it a similar problem we have with blacks and poppa government.

    Origionally the Republican party could take the black vote for granted , Democrats actually depended on Jim Crow to prevent Republican landslides.Would a black guy vote for the party of Walace and Stoner and Maddox and Wilson and so on? No one could persuede Black people to vote Democratic it would be like chickesn voteing in favor of .Sanders. It was sufficent to prevent them from voteing at all whether by hook or by crook.

        Takeing the black vote for granted turned out to be a mistake for Republicans . Even if a guy was pretty gratefull to Abriham Lincon  "What have you done for me lately ?" eventually becomes a legitamate question. When the Democrats opened the door to real membership in the power structure (I mean the Kennedy era) black people converted in mass , and why not? Since then the Democrats have taken the black vote for granted , which might turn out to be a mistake.

    Will the Republican party open up to black members such that a black voter won't feel like he is wasteing his time?I think that because the Democrats take the black vote for granted there is a potential. After all isn't it kinda insulting to say that if uyou are black you must be helped along ? Do Democrats insult black people by saying that welfare and other government assistance is a black issue?
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 25, 2011, 12:18:31 AM
how about this question without stating either parties negatives . which party today would help the black party?

Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 25, 2011, 12:38:43 AM
how about this question without stating either parties negatives . which party today would help the black party?

Since there are only two parties and we know the Dem Party has miserably failed blacks I would have to conclude the Rep Party to be the best bet.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 25, 2011, 01:03:31 AM
Since there are only two parties and we know the Dem Party has miserably failed blacks I would have to conclude the Rep Party to be the best bet.

Absolutely!
The sooner the "crutch" is throw away the sooner they reach their potential.
Welfare pimps and liberals are enablers.
Some liberals are passive enablers because control freaks by nature think everyone needs their help.
Then there are liberals that are calculated enablers because they know the more govt dependents
they can create/foster, the bigger govt becomes and the more control/power liberals get.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: sirs on April 25, 2011, 03:00:39 AM
I sure can't wait until we can get back to MLK's dream, where we treat each other as equals, vs who can help the "black party" more or less.  How about we all help each other, per how we wish to & can,  regardless of race (& not via governmental mandate)
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 25, 2011, 10:58:19 AM
Since there are only two parties and we know the Dem Party has miserably failed blacks I would have to conclude the Rep Party to be the best bet.

Absolutely!
The sooner the "crutch" is throw away the sooner they reach their potential.
Welfare pimps and liberals are enablers.
Some liberals are passive enablers because control freaks by nature think everyone needs their help.
Then there are liberals that are calculated enablers because they know the more govt dependents
they can create/foster, the bigger govt becomes and the more control/power liberals get.

it's about about power, greed, staying in control and Jesse, Al and liberal politicians all have their useful idiots to accomplish such goals.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 25, 2011, 11:28:47 AM
I said not stating negatives.

"no crutch" the only thing that offered?

theme is drawing people to you
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 25, 2011, 11:52:05 AM
You have a huge number of teasies and Republicans screaming that EVERYONE should pay income taxes , so as to have "skin in the game". Consider that many Black people have such small incomes that they pay no income tax. The Republicans want to tax them. So naturally, it is economically stupid for those people who pay zero income taxes to vote Republicans so they will have to pay more. Black people are not stupid. Most believe that the Teabaggers are racists, and indeed, a kluxer who is not with the Republicans & Teasies is a kluxer who is not paying attention. Not all Republicans are racists, nor all teasies are racists. But damn near all racists are Republicans these days.
There is no good reason for most Black people in most of this country to vote Republican. None. And they don't and won't.

Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 25, 2011, 03:16:42 PM
There one very good reason to vote Repub by all of us, not just blacks as you like to treat as Special People. It's called survival!

Why do you treat blacks different than the rest of us? You always avoid my question and never answer it; once and for all explain your racism, please explain, I gots to know why!
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 25, 2011, 03:34:34 PM
I can`t answer for anyone else but I treat them differently just to avoid hassles. ex. n-word.

but if the situation arises I will be a complete asshole about it. I`ll not started it but I`ll not run from it.

the n-word I truely believe is getting in the way.

being the only exclusive people to say the word is stupid
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 25, 2011, 04:59:19 PM
I can`t answer for anyone else but I treat them differently just to avoid hassles. ex. n-word.

Kimba....and I am sure they treat us different...
many want to pretend it doesn't....but it works both ways
for some it is hard to admit reality...we are different
as much culturally as skin tone.....
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 25, 2011, 05:08:06 PM
I can`t answer for anyone else but I treat them differently just to avoid hassles. ex. n-word.

Kimba....and I am sure they treat us different...
many want to pretend it doesn't....but it works both ways
for some it is hard to admit reality...we are different
as much culturally as skin tone.....

I think it's more culture than color. Otherwise Obama wouldn't be where he is today. I know he can speak Ebonics to the brothers, but he can also speak whitey to the crackers. He's sort of like a chameleon lizard. He's a phony too.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 25, 2011, 05:10:24 PM
oh i am sure his elitism causes him at times to have disdain for both his races
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 25, 2011, 05:30:51 PM
oh i am sure his elitism causes him at times to have disdain for both his races

oh yes for sure. if off camera he would never want to hang with a real ghetto brother or sister. he's too good for them but on the other hand, for similar reasons, he would not want to have a beer with Joe the Plumber.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 25, 2011, 05:37:34 PM
to be honest though....
Obama can seem like a nice...but naive...guy

if given the choice between spending a day in a
bass boat fishing with Obama or McCain I would
find Obama more interesting and easier to be around.

i think Obama hates his job
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 25, 2011, 05:50:35 PM
to be honest though....
Obama can seem like a nice...but naive...guy

if given the choice between spending a day in a
bass boat fishing with Obama or McCain I would
find Obama more interesting and easier to be around.

i think Obama hates his job

Naw I would rather spend the day with a war hero and a guy that spent all those years as a POW. I betcha he would have some good stories. Obama is a loaner. Name any life-long friends? He likes to be alone and by himself. He only looks at relationships as a means to get something or someplace. The kind of friend that uses you. Ever had one of those one-sided relationships? Honestly I think I would have more fun with XO than Obama.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 25, 2011, 06:09:52 PM
McCain is a hero....but he just seems to me like he could be a real a-hole
XO would be interesting...and funny....but probably whine about sumin the whole time
I bet Palin would be great to spend a day with....
Trump not so much
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 25, 2011, 06:12:04 PM
I fail to see how it i that you think you know anything at all about Obama, Kramer.  I do not get the impression that he likes being alone, and I hardly think he uses people.

McCain will do pretty much anything to get what he wants. If you want him to be a maverick, then he is a maverick, until is doesn't suit his purpose any longer. And he is not all that much a hero, either, just a guy who got shot down.

Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 25, 2011, 06:14:44 PM
McCain is a hero....but he just seems to me like he could be a real a-hole
XO would be interesting...and funny....but probably whine about sumin the whole time
I bet Palin would be great to spend a day with....
Trump not so much

it would be fun to take XO to Jellystone National Park, tie him down, and spread honey all over his naked body; then leave him to the bears. Film it and post it on Youtube!
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 25, 2011, 06:16:47 PM
I fail to see how it i that you think you know anything at all about Obama, Kramer.  I do not get the impression that he likes being alone, and I hardly think he uses people.

McCain will do pretty much anything to get what he wants. If you want him to be a maverick, then he is a maverick, until is doesn't suit his purpose any longer. And he is not all that much a hero, either, just a guy who got shot down.

if I'm being honest here, I wouldn't want to spend any time with McCain, Obama or you! GW Bush or Palin might be fun though. The general Obama fired my be cool to meet!
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 25, 2011, 06:23:41 PM
I'd love to spend a day with Kristi!

Kristi "Dreamweaver" Noem: Hot, Republican, Christian, Mom, Hunter, Congresswoman--Did I Say Hot? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnxL8aHDyxc#ws)
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 25, 2011, 06:39:25 PM
I`d pick obama over mccain  I don`t hate him but as a diehard labor guy I`d be hard press to get along with him. Obama at least has a more favorable experience in asia than mccain
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 25, 2011, 08:36:19 PM
So Kramer, you think torturing me for disagreeing with your daffy Fascist ideal would be "fun".

What an ass!
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 25, 2011, 09:14:33 PM
So Kramer, you think torturing me for disagreeing with your daffy Fascist ideal would be "fun".

What an ass!

Yeah in Jellystone Park. Look Grasshopper, I enjoy the torture you bring to your-own-self. Why would I want to interfere with that when you are doing a better job than I could?
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Plane on April 25, 2011, 11:51:36 PM
You have a huge number of teasies and Republicans screaming that EVERYONE should pay income taxes , so as to have "skin in the game". Consider that many Black people have such small incomes that they pay no income tax. The Republicans want to tax them. So naturally, it is economically stupid for those people who pay zero income taxes to vote Republicans so they will have to pay more. Black people are not stupid. Most believe that the Teabaggers are racists, and indeed, a kluxer who is not with the Republicans & Teasies is a kluxer who is not paying attention. Not all Republicans are racists, nor all teasies are racists. But damn near all racists are Republicans these days.
What caused this to happen? and when?
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There is no good reason for most Black people in most of this country to vote Republican. None. And they don't and won't.

  That is the real question indeed, but it cuts both ways .

   Are the Problems we have been speaking of going to be improved or worsened by continuing the status quo? More of the same and less and less sane?

     Obama was elected as the "Hope and Change" candidate but he is presently the defender of the status quo and the financial status of the quo is unsustainable.

     You can't simply expect that a tax increase will increase Government revenue at some point the taxes are too destructive for the economy to support . Somewhere short of complete destruction is the anemic economy result of too much tax yet not quite enough to kill.

     How can we be sure that the economy we have is robust and not fragile , can carry a continuously expanding government as it expands ad infinitum?

    If black people are the chief beneficiaries of this Ponzi scheme , then they will be the most hurt from its collapse.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 26, 2011, 12:00:33 AM
There are several premises in what you say that are not true. We are in a recession, and therefore revenues are down because fewer people are working. There are also several wars going on, and they are very expensive and are not funded.

Black people are very far from being the main beneficiaries of the government: the government pays out millions in subsidies to corporations, including Big Sugar and Big Oil.

The government will not expand infinitely.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Plane on April 26, 2011, 12:26:28 AM


The government will not expand infinitely.

  Oh?

    Why not?
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on April 26, 2011, 09:50:50 AM
The Obamas Silent in the Face of Race Atrocity

April 26, 2011

By Lauri B. Regan

For the average human being, it was not possible to watch the video of two black women beating the life out of a defenseless white woman at a McDonald's in Baltimore and not feel complete and total revulsion.  Adding to the horror was the knowledge that the black employees -- one who only half-heartedly attempted to intervene, one who was filming the barbarism, and perhaps others not seen on the video -- did absolutely nothing to save the white woman from her assailants.

While police investigations are focusing on whether the attack was a racially motivated hate crime, the LGBT group is also suggesting that the assault was a hate crime due to the victim being a transgender woman, notwithstanding what appears to be a lack of evidence that the woman's sexual status was known by her assailants.  In either case, it is clear from the video that the monsters beating their helpless prey were filled with animal blood lust that was completely inhuman.

One of the first thoughts that I had when trying to process this heinous assault that left the woman bleeding from her mouth and seizing violently on the ground was how it reminded me of the days of wilding, the Central Park jogger case in particular, and of all the other senseless hate crimes that occur in our cities.

But more importantly, I then thought about the fact that we have a black president who so far has remained silent about the crime.  Barack Obama was vociferously outspoken when his black buddy Louis Gates was properly and justifiably arrested by white officers in Boston two years ago.  However, when a white woman is brutally beaten to a pulp by two black women less than an hour from the White House, our POTUS has nothing to say on the subject.

And the reason that this is so offensive is two-fold: (i) Barack Hussein Obama was supposed to be our post-racial president bridging the racial divide and healing the country's wounds; and (ii) Michelle Obama has spent the better part of the past two and a half years as first lady dictating to America's youth what they should and should not be eating rather than helping them learn how they should and should not be acting.


With regard to our FLOTUS, where does one begin?  While she gallivants across the globe on the taxpayer dime eating up delicious delicacies, she has chosen attacking the nation's childhood obesity problem as her raison d'?tre.  And while childhood obesity may be a serious problem, I maintain that Michelle Obama is not the appropriate spokesperson for a multitude of reasons including her hypocrisy on the issue, her lavish lifestyle (that affords her the opportunity to eat as she desires and work it off the next day with her personal trainer), her lack of medical expertise, and her pathetic attempt to address the social and psychological issues underlying the problem.


Instead of telling people what they should order if they enter a McDonald's, the first lady should be teaching people how to act when they enter a McDonald's or any other public place.  This is not a racist suggestion -- the suggestion is no different from Barack Obama telling young children that they can all fulfill their dreams since, as a minority, he was able to ascend to the highest office in the land.

Perhaps Michelle Obama has not watched the video clip of two black women beating the white woman to a pulp.  If she has not, she should.  And perhaps it will move her to stop talking about food and start talking about behavior, because with her fancy vacations, personal chef, elaborate parties, and other sundry benefits of the job comes responsibility.


And while I could go on for pages on Barack Obama's failures in office, what is relevant here is just how empty his rhetoric continues to be.  For not only has he been an absentee president on multiple levels, but he has been the missing link in what was a real opportunity to bridge the racial divide that has been ailing our country.


In his famous "race speech" Obama stated:


[R]ace is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. ... And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American.


What we have already achieved gives us hope - the audacity to hope - for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.


Well it is tomorrow and our absentee president is, well, absent.  Healing the country's wounds is tough business.  One cannot have the audacity to hope but then remain silent in the face of atrocities like that which occurred at a McDonald's restaurant this week.


Obama has not hesitated to interject himself into a multitude of domestic issues including the Louis Gates arrest (in which he opined, "what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately"), the Ground Zero Mosque controversy (in which he discussed "


In Obama's world, African-Americans, Muslims, and unions are victims who deserve presidential support.  There will be no prosecuting New Black Panthers who terrorize white voters, there will be a worldwide reach out to Islamic terrorists, and union thugs will be given carte blanche to bully members and non-members alike.  But white transgender women are on their own.


Obama went on in his infamous speech:


A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families -- a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened. And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods...all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us.


Well yes they do continue to haunt us but blaming a lack of "economic opportunity" on the "cycle of violence" is disingenuous, lazy, and disgusting.  It is disgusting because Obama seemingly justifies violence in the same manner that Palestinian apologists use to justify the murder of innocent Israeli civilians.  Mr. President, violence is not a natural and acceptable consequence of economic strife in a civilized society.


In yet another Obama speech he stated the following:


But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized -- at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do -- it's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we're talking with each other in a way that heals, not in a way that wounds.


Mr. President, it is time to stop talking.  Perhaps instead of going to George Washington University to give a campaign speech justifying your abysmal economic policies, you should visit inner city schools and teach kids respect for human life and common decency.  Take on the responsibilities of office which include immediately denouncing this act of violence and begin to address the cause full steam ahead. Move past your own resentments and anger about the travails of poor black Americans since the beginning of time and take proactive steps to help them learn to value life -- not government handouts and entitlements and certainly not violence.


I am not suggesting that what happened at the McDonald's in Baltimore is the Obamas' fault.  But I am strongly advocating that they use their remaining time in office (God willing, only 19 more months) to the betterment of society.  And what society needs desperately is a toning down of the anger, racism, and class warfare that the Obamas are fomenting.


Our country needs individuals in the White House who lead by example, who teach right from wrong, and who understand that no matter how much you share the wealth, there will always be people who remain devoid of morals and values until they are taught otherwise.  The Ones who promised the country hope and change have done nothing to implement the promises they made to the black community or the country as a whole.  It is time they owned up to their responsibilities to the people.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_obamas_silent_in_the_face_1.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_obamas_silent_in_the_face_1.html)
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 26, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
that article nicely sums it up!
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 26, 2011, 11:30:29 AM
There is NO reason for the President to come out and denounce any criminal act before it goes to a grand jury or a trial.

The cop that arrested Gates was stupid. He had no reason to do this, and at most it was a minor misdemeanor. This case involves major possibly permanent harm to a human being, and it is up to the courts to decide what to do and how to do it.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Plane on April 27, 2011, 12:31:25 AM
   I hope we can all stop thinking of the situation of our races as a zero sum game.

    Such that everything my race gets , it gets at the cost to your race.


      It just doesn't have to be that way, that is the path twards Natzism and we know already how nasty white fascists can be , it wasn't their whiteness , it was their willingness to violently take , murder , destroy and lie.

       If we ever see black Natzis they won't be worse , nor better.

      The better possibility is a win- win situation , and I don't know any reason that can't be created, such that we all build , earn , encourage , heal and educate each other and all advance together.

         Practicly the opposite of Natzism , probly good for us all.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 27, 2011, 03:32:26 AM
I blame the notion of cultural preservation. people simply don`t get just by being in america ther culture is changed. thier is not a single thing here that exactly resemble any country of origin and it shouldn`t . look at cajun food. suppose to be french food but the difference is cajun food is way more popular.

chinese food here is way different than in china. here beijing food has rice, beijing has no rice in its food. I say let it all mix and anything worth keeping will naturally be intake.  like chicken fried steak which is actually amerrican wiener schnitzel

speakinmg of which here in the west coast we got all the asian,italian food.

but no eastern europen stuff-polish or hungarian


does the midwest ,the south or east coast  has such food??

I know french sort of fizzle world-wide
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Amianthus on April 27, 2011, 08:19:30 AM
speakinmg of which here in the west coast we got all the asian,italian food.

but no eastern europen stuff-polish or hungarian

I'm guessing you haven't looked hard enough. I had no problems finding such when I was out in Cali a few months ago. And the best restaurant we ate at was French, on Sunset Blvd.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 27, 2011, 08:42:42 AM
Cajun food is more popular in the US because it is more like American food.

French food is exquisite. The main problem is that it is also expensive, and in the US has become infected with snobbery as well. There are great French restaurants all over the world, but they do not have mass appeal because of the price, which is partially dependent on the cost of the ingredients. There are no bargain truffles.


The most food for the least money in any sizable US city is the classic Chinese all you can eat buffet. Eat anything you want, and as much as you want, until you explode, like the guy in the Monty Python film.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 27, 2011, 08:57:16 AM
going out with friends and talking about where to eat. french food will extremely rarely be mentioned.  i got admit didn`t look that hard for eastern european food. I try the next time i crave pig knuckle , which is all the time


I had chinese buffet last sat. It felt great to cheat on my low bp diet once in awhile. these places are great when you crave seafood for a low cost.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 27, 2011, 09:05:36 AM
There was a great article in the Atlantic Monthly (or perhaps Harper's) about a Western guy who went on a tour of Europe with a group of Chinese tourists. The one thing they did NOT indulge in was European food. No Paté de fois gras, no Belgian waffles, no bangers and mash, no bratwurst, only Chinese breakfasts, lunches and dinners in Chinese restaurants.

There is an EXCELLENT (by my standards) French buffet in Paris which had French food and all you can eat as well. One could get by very well with just the croissant and coffee for breakfast and one huge meal at said buffet. I can't recall the name, but it was only a block from a Metro station. They had wine as well,(but of course) but you paid extra for a glass, a carafe or a 750 ml bottle.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 27, 2011, 09:17:35 AM
actually that kinda makes sense.

so far 100% of my friends who is asian hated the food in france. the most common complaint is they're making the food wrong.

I`m ok with french food but I don`t count I wasn`t raised eating asian food. upbringing has a great impact on food preference. I eat this plum that most americans find disgusting except for ones who grew up in high asian population places(ex hawaii) those folks crave those plums
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 27, 2011, 11:32:58 AM
Food is a matter of taste.

I bought some sort of tea in a Chinese market based on the label, which included the word "delicious", which as I recall was misspelled.

It was UNSPEAKABLY AWFUL! The taste was worse that chewing penicillin or any other pill that I have ever tasted. I cannot imagine how any human being could possibly call that stuff delicious. I tried it out on my cat. My cat will eat bugs and lizards. No go. I sprinkled in catnip, still no interest.

Taste is, of course, a matter of taste. Some of my Taiwanese buddy's favorite dishes are okay, others ate tasty, others can only be described as icky and repulsive in every way: taste, texture, appearance. But I am not Taiwanese. Taste is a matter of taste.

My girlfriend loves cornflakes, straight out of the box. But she will only eat Kellogs: no Post Toasties, no store brands, just Kelloggs.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Amianthus on April 27, 2011, 11:49:02 AM
My girlfriend loves cornflakes, straight out of the box. But she will only eat Kellogs: no Post Toasties, no store brands, just Kelloggs.

What about the store brands that are actually MADE BY Kellogg's? Come from the same ingredients, made in the same machine, packaged by the same people?
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 27, 2011, 12:50:54 PM
Although Kellogg's make actually make supermarket or other brands, it does not say on the box that they do, nor does it indicate that the ingredients or the process are the same.

In Florida, the Publix supermarket chain advertises that they will give your money back if you do not agree that the supermarket brand is every bit as good, and they will make good on their promises. Their store brands really ARE as good as store brands, but you cannot prove this to people who will never even taste the alternate brand.

Winn-Dixie's store brands are decidedly inferior as well as cheaper: a can of WD Thrifty Maid beans has lots more water and many fewer beans than any advertised brand. Their Mac and cheese is less cheesy, their frozen pizzas are pretty awful.

The absolute WORST store brands I have had were those of a Carolina/Virginia chain called the Food Lion.

I am not going to fight over a $1.29 price difference
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Plane on April 28, 2011, 12:07:14 AM
Remy Eats a 1000 Year Old Egg (Food Oddities - www.foododdities.com) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HexwRg0TQXc#)

What you are thinking while you are tasting makes a lot of diffrence.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: kimba1 on April 28, 2011, 10:22:54 AM
damn!!!

that is one cool kid-much rerspect

I eat those eggs in congee- thats comfort food to me.
Title: Re: Race Relations
Post by: Kramer on April 28, 2011, 01:48:37 PM
My girlfriend loves cornflakes, straight out of the box. But she will only eat Kellogs: no Post Toasties, no store brands, just Kelloggs.

What about the store brands that are actually MADE BY Kellogg's? Come from the same ingredients, made in the same machine, packaged by the same people?

she likes to pay extra for advertising.