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A Constitutional victory in MD
« on: March 09, 2012, 04:31:45 PM »
This one involving the 2nd amendment
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While those on the left try to screw the 1st amendment, fans of the Second Amendment know that Maryland doesn't have the most gun-friendly laws out there. But thanks to a district court decision on Monday, that may be changing.

In the decision Woolard v. Sheridan, a Maryland statute requiring residents to have a 'good and substantial reason' for obtaining a concealed carry permit was struck down after a judge found that it violates the Second Amendment. Courtesy of the Volokh Conspiracy, here are the facts:

Plaintiff Woollard initially obtained a handgun carry permit after he was assaulted by an intruder in his home in 2002. The permit was renewed in 2005. At that time, the intruder had recently been released from prison, providing a “good and substantial reason” for Woollard to carry a firearm. In 2009, Woollard again sought to renew his permit so that he could carry a handgun for self defense. MSP Secretary Sheridan denied Woollard’s application, however, because Woollard failed to provide sufficient evidence “to support apprehended fear.”

The post definitely worth a full read for all the facts. What it boils down to, though, is that requiring a 'good and substantial reason' to carry a firearm in public is a violation of the Second Amendment. To quote the opinion, "[a] citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights...the right's existence is all the reason he needs." This case builds on DC v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago, both of which state that individuals may invoke Second Amendment rights at home for self-defense. Now this decision holds that individuals may exercise their Second Amendment rights outside of the home, extending them to hunting. We'll see what happens after it heads to the Fourth Circuit.

While we're on the topic of self defense, the Cato Institute has a great study out. It's called Tough Targets and it details how Americans use guns to defend themselves. Not only does it make the point that armed citizens lead to a reduction in crime, but it comes with a map showing specific instances of individuals using firearms to protect themselves.

When most media outlets report the number of firearm-related accidental deaths, it can be easy to forget that there are many times more people using firearms to stop crimes from ever happening. Every year, women, senior citizens  and even hostages use firearms to protect themselves from becoming victims. My favorite anecdote is the one in which an 82 year old former beauty queen in Kentucky holds two would-be thieves at gunpoint.

On April 13, 2007, Venus Ramey spied an unfamiliar truck parked against her farm building, and immediately suspected that habitual scrap metal thieves had returned. Upon being confronted, one of them, Curtis Parrish, promised they'd leave. The 82-year-old woman leaned on her walker, pulled out a .38 revolver, said, 'no you won't,' and shot his car tire. She then held the two at gunpoint for police. Ramey is a former Miss America.

As is stated in Tough Targets, if harm reduction is the goal when it comes to firearms legislation, the lawmakers ought to consider the harm reduction that accompanies an armed citizenry. No one should have to ask a bureaucrat for permission to defend themselves. Hopefully decisions like the one in Woollard v. Sheridan mean that fewer people will have to.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2012, 05:57:41 PM »
Woollard again sought to renew his permit so that he could carry a handgun for self defense. Secretary Sheridan denied Woollard's application, however, because Woollard failed to provide sufficient evidence to support apprehended fear

SIRS it's stunning how the control freaks wanna run our lives
but they will bend over backwards for the thugs!
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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 06:17:48 PM »
statistics after statistics after statistics after statistics have indicated those area with much higher, much more restrictive gun laws, especially when it comes to severe limiting of CCW's, strangely have higher violent crime.  Yet those same power/controlling folks you're referring to seek much more restrictive laws, literally wanting to disarm the populace. 

And then they hide their agenda in hyperbolic rhetoric like 2nd amendment supporters want to make it mandatory that we all open carry, or we want a return to the Old West days, with 6 shooters on our hips, except now we'd want automatic microuzis.  Garbage similar to that
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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2012, 12:44:06 AM »
Not only does it make the point that armed citizens lead to a reduction in crime

That is, of course, bullshit.

Countries that do NOT have armed citizens have far lower homicide rates and accidental shootings
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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2012, 12:48:39 AM »
Not only does it make the point that armed citizens lead to a reduction in crime

That is, of course, bullshit.

Countries that do NOT have armed citizens have far lower homicide rates and accidental shootings

Can you back that up somehow?

States and citys in the US with more gun ownership definately have lower rates of violent crime than US citys/states with stricter gun laws.

Is a comparison with places that are not full of Americans really fair? or Orange/Apple?

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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2012, 01:24:55 AM »
Doesnt Switzerland require every home to have a gun and they have low crime?
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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 02:44:40 AM »
Not only does it make the point that armed citizens lead to a reduction in crime

That is, of course, bullshit.

Countries that do NOT have armed citizens have far lower homicide rates and accidental shootings

Can you back that up somehow?

States and citys in the US with more gun ownership definately have lower rates of violent crime than US citys/states with stricter gun laws.

That's one of those "inconvenient truths" that generally gets ignored by the left and MSM, while irrelevent "facts", like comparing 1 country to another, is supposedly what's called for. 


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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 12:10:58 PM »
The main difference is that this country has allowed far too many guns to be put into circulation.

Of course, if Wrinkly old Reagan had been packin' heat, he would have plugged Hinckley right between the eyes and Brady would never have been disabled.
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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 12:21:19 PM »
It's called the 2nd amendment to the Constitution.  Boy, you really do have a problem with our Bill of Rights.  Sad
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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2012, 04:26:28 PM »
The main difference is that this country has allowed far too many guns to be put into circulation.

Of course, if Wrinkly old Reagan had been packin' heat, he would have plugged Hinckley right between the eyes and Brady would never have been disabled.

  If that is your point , again , can you back it up?

   Since Carter was president the number of guns in privite hands in the US has increased a lot.
   Has there been a direct increaqse in violent crime?

    Has there been a decrease in crime generally?

    Am I wrong to think that since Nixon was president the number of guns in private hands has almost doubled and the murders per capata have fallen 25%?

  If your point is valid , it isn't just strongly counteintuitive, it is argueing with the facts as they are. If it is invalid dosent it need some facts to prop it up? 

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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2012, 04:30:54 PM »
statistics after statistics after statistics after statistics have indicated those area with much higher, much more restrictive gun laws, especially when it comes to severe limiting of CCW's, strangely have higher violent crime.  Yet those same power/controlling folks you're referring to seek much more restrictive laws, literally wanting to disarm the populace. 

And then they hide their agenda in hyperbolic rhetoric like 2nd amendment supporters want to make it mandatory that we all open carry, or we want a return to the Old West days, with 6 shooters on our hips, except now we'd want automatic microuzis.  Garbage similar to that


   I have to admit.
   An automatic Microuzi is a very appealing idea.

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Re: A Constitutional victory in MD
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2012, 04:39:43 PM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle