Get a Mans Gun

[sirs]

Half the population of this country are females. I find your stupid notion that women are only safe at gun ranges to be absurd, since women are now and always have been safer than men from violent crime, but if it were true, which it is not, then there is certainly not enough room for every woman to spend every day being safe at a stupid gun range.

Did I say that women were only safe at gun ranges?

No, you didn't.  It's a typical strawman tactic by some folks however, to argue a point never made.  But I like your redress   

[Plane]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/12/maher-liberals-are-too-scared-to-say-the-2nd-amendment-is-bullsh-t/

[sirs]

It would seem so

[Xavier_Onassis]

So long as each and every gun owner is a member of a TRAINED MILITIA the second amendment makes sense.

The discussion generally omits one of the main reasons why local militias were considered to be so important: in the South, one of their main jobs was to chase down and bring back escaped slaves. The British, during the Revolution, made it a policy to declare that if the British won the Revolution, slavery would be abolished, so during the Revolution, there were LOTS of escaped slaves running free.

On the frontier, guns were needed to fight off Indians and hunt game for meat, especially during the winter. More importantly, these armed militias were used to hunt down slaves, and to show by their presence, as Kunta Kinte found out, that escape was very difficult.

If we had the laws that the Swiss have about guns and militias, we would largely eliminate a lot of gun deaths.

The state with the lowest rate of gun deaths? HAWAII. Hawaii has one fifteenth the rate of gun deaths as does Louisiana, which has the highest rate.

 It is pretty hard to bring a gun into Hawaii without the required paperwork. Most travel to Hawaii is by air. Boats are checked when arriving as well, so it is pretty hard to get a gun ashore without proper paperwork. The low rate of gun deaths is not due to Jack Lord, Dano and the rest of Five-Oh.

[sirs]

Fortunately for the rest of the country, the Supreme Court doesn't support your twisted perversion of the 2nd amendment

[Xavier_Onassis]

Yeah, right.

You really need guns to defend yourselves against people who might come and take your guns away.

In the meantime, the most likely way that guns are used by White people in this country is suicide.

[sirs]

You really need guns to defend yourselves against people who might come and take your guns away.

FINALLY    A BRIEF MOMENT IN GRASPING THE POINT OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT.  (Perhaps my prayers are being answered, even if in bits)

In the meantime, the most likely way that guns are used by White people in this country is suicide.

Not sure why you're injecting race into this, but Statistically, and factually, you'd be in error in what you opine as "likely".  FACTUALLY they are used exponentially more often to defend oneself in this country.  When you add suicides, the ratio, IIRC, is about 10:1 guns used to save a life vs those used to take a life.  When you take suicides out of the equation, that ratio goes up dramatically, close to 100:1, IIRC

[sirs]

[Xavier_Onassis]

Why take suicides out of the equation?

Lots of suicides are the result of despair while intoxicated.

If you are killed by a gun and are White, statistically it is most often a suicide.

If you are killed by a gun and you are Black, it is most likely the result of some sort of gang violence or robbery.

Odds are, we would be better off if none of these people died.

A gun is a remote for a human being: it is simply an easy way to turn a human being off forever.

I think that phasers that could only stun would be a great improvement over handguns.

And again, the Swiss have shown us the way. Switzerland is not an oppressive country, many people are armed, and gun violence is minimal.

[sirs]

Why take suicides out of the equation?

I didn't.....I merely referenced that the ratio of lives saved vs lives lost with the use of a gun goes up dramatically when taken out.  But even if you keep it in, far more lives are still saved with the use of a gun, than those taken, regardless of circumstances of what prompted the suicide

If you are killed by a gun and are White, statistically it is most often a suicide.

Irelevent to the FACT that more lives are saved with the use of a gun, be it white, black, brown or green, than those lives taken by one.  At least in THIS country

If you are killed by a gun and you are Black, it is most likely the result of some sort of gang violence or robbery.

Irelevent to the FACT that more lives are saved with the use of a gun, be it white, black, brown or green, than those lives taken by one.  At least in THIS country

[Plane]

In Japan where guns are less common , suicide is more common.

What about removing one method , from amoung many, would prevent suicide?

Is suicide really that much less in states that have stricter gun laws?

Is suicide really rare in gun free zones like university or prison?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Suicide is NOT more frequent in Japan, despite the former habits of samuri.

[Plane]

Suicide is NOT more frequent in Japan, despite the former habits of samuri.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate


Japan makes the top ten, the US doesn't make the top twenty.

I think your statement is in error.

[sirs]

OUCH.

[Xavier_Onassis]

There are two reasons why suicides are frequently misreported in the US: religion and insurance. Most of the top countries are not Roman Catholic countries where the church can prevent burial in "holy ground", and countries where life insurance is both common and allowed to disallow payment in the case of suicide.

So I question this list.