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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on March 15, 2015, 11:18:42 PM
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http://www.mining.com/china-is-taking-lunar-mining-seriously-65595/
Helium 3 is potentially a marvelous fuel, and the moon seems full of it, right near the surface.
But even a million tons of the stuff would be useless unless we first beat the problems of fusion energy harvesting.
Should our feelings be hurt if this is done by China?
Did Neil Armstrong stake claim?
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how could transport costs justify this?
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At this point they would not.
But if H3 is as plentiful as is supposed, and can be mined with little difficulty, and the problems that hinder fusion power can be solved...
Then, the shallow surface of the moon holds more energy than all the worlds oil, and a modest sized tanker could hold enough H3 to run the planet for a year.
Or this energy could fuel development of the Moon and planets.
So this is not a sure thing, there could be less H3 than supposed , there could be a hard problem with collecting it or there could be an insolvable problem with fusion power.
This is aspirational , and if China does find the way, everyone will join them, so there is little to worry about.
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http://inhabitat.com/could-mining-helium-3-from-the-moon-solve-earths-energy-problems/
Researchers estimate that 25 tons of helium-3 could power the United States for an entire year.
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helium 3??
holy crap now I remember.
if you see this movie it all ties in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_IndUbcxc
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What exactly is the process for getting energy from HE3¿
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Helium is a gas. ¨Mining¨´ a gas on the Moon would surely present problems never faced.
I don´t see anyone doing this for at least 50 yrs. The Newtster will be as dead as King Tut
long before this occurs.
Perhaps it is not a bad idea.
I do not think that Earth mining claims count on the moon.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3
In theory, you could put a little bit of He3 under a lot of pressure and heat, then when it fused it would produce a lot more pressure , heat, and electrons. But with tiny radiation and waste products.
Putting a tank of He3 into a fusion bomb boosts its output, so we know it can work.
Taking the upper layer of Moon soil into a tank and heating it should easily liberate the He3 that it has collected over centuries of exposure to solar wind.
None of this is ready for market right now, and there is no predicting the onset of practicality.
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The Newtster will be as dead as King Tut
John 6:47
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Get serious.
There is not a single case of a deceased politician ever accomplishing anything.
Even if the Newtster sits at the right hand of all three members of the Trinity, he is still inconsequential.
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There is not a single case of a deceased politician ever accomplishing anything.
Say what?
I guess it depends on context.
But I have given thanks for Texas founding fathers that are long ago deceased
because way back when....when they wrote the Texas Constitution they specifically
outlawed a state income tax....because they knew "control freaks" would be born later
and try to institute a state income tax. So long after their deaths they are accomplishing their goals.
I also think people like MLK long dead still accomplish things.
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The Republic of Texas was a totally bad idea based on slavery and oppression, and it failed because it was never able to support itself financially, despite having vast amounts of acreage to sell.
I do not consider MLK to be an actual politician, and the fact that we have morons like sirs claiming that he was a stolid Republican sort of tells us that his message was less than well understood. I suppose that someday in the far distant future, someone might mention the Newtster as some sort of visionary, in the way that Stonewall Jackson is called a hero, but if H3 becomes a reality, it will be cause of people far more clever than the Newtster, whose most recent accomplishment was to tale the ill gotten gambling gains of some idiot Jewish tycoon and give it to the media, with no real result of any poitical consequence to anyone.
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The Republic of Texas was a totally bad idea
It's even a better idea now!
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It is just fine with me.
But we all know that it will never happen. There is no right to secession, as the Civil War proved. Perhaps there should be a MORAL right, but I really doubt that a majority of Texans would vote for secession. In any case, it will not happen, it is even less likely that Jesus returning. We know what the experience of that not happening has been, But everyone can believe anything they want to.
In 25 years, Chicanos will dominate Texas politics, as Texas becomes a poorer, stupider version of California.
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In 25 years, Chicanos will dominate Texas politics, as Texas becomes a poorer, stupider version of California.
Chicanos can't be prosperous and smart?
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I do not think that the Chicanos are the problem, it is the cheapskate of Texas that fails to pay enough to educate its poor people because of a crappy system for distributing revenues for school taxes. Perhaps when the Chicanos are in power they will be able to do something about this. But since the educational level of Texans is below that of Californians, it stands to reason that the disparity between CA and TX will continue. The same is true for FL as well, and this is the case in much of the country. Taxes to support schools come from property taxes. The less the value of the property in the district, the less money goes to the residents of that school district. If the funds were pooled and reallocated on a per capita basis, this would improve the educational level of the entire state.
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Are Chicano people better educated and better employed in California?
Seems there are some blighted neighborhoods in Ca. too.
In Texas at least it is easier to find work.
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I do not think that this is true. Texas has several of the poorest counties in the nation along the border. California is a lot better off. But that was not the actual issue. If Texas wants to secede, that is okay by me. But I doubt that there is even the remotest chance that this will occur.
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Rural California includes a lot of people in trouble , the state government is too focused on what the urban need is.
But the urban areas include some roughness too.
I would personally prefer the state government in Texas, this is just subjective, I do not know how to make an objective measurement on this.
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I have never lived in California. My father was born in Texas and left in his 20's and never lived there again. I lived briefly in El Paso.
Texas will not secede and no state will ever be permitted to secede. But I have nothing personal against it, it is simply my observation that it will never happen and discussing it as any sort of real possibility is therefore idiotic.
Economically, California is clearly more prosperous and clealy odfers mor opportunities for advancement of its people than Texas does.
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Economically, California is clearly more prosperous and clealy odfers mor opportunities for advancement of its people than Texas does.
No, I wouldn't call that "clear".
There is a balance of persons traveling between the two states , and Texas has the advantage of it right now.
California has a lot going for it, but it is a lot more liberally governed, and this handicaps everything.
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California vs texas
been hearing this since I came to this country. as a Californian I noticed a lot I repeat a lot of ex-Texans living here for various reason mainly the climate for coming here. but as I research texas economicly had the upper hand presently over California. all texas has to do now is be friendly to it`s new residence and grow. I sat this as a former san Francisco resident and seen how NIMBY behavior has hurt a city.
NIMBY-- not in my backyard
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Both states have their pluses and minuses.
It is pretty clear that San Francisco is a much more pleasant place to visit and to live than say, Houston or Dallas.
But then being able to afford to live there is a major problem.
I think I would prefer San Antonio over LA.
Politics are only a fraction of what makes a location a good place to live.
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Politics are only a fraction of what makes a location a good place to live.
Even though I must admit this to be true, I want to call it an important fraction.
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The most efficient system and greatest leaders on the planet could not make Nome or all those bleak little towns on the prairies of Nebraska and the Dakotas really pleasant and habitable 12 months of the year.
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The most efficient system and greatest leaders on the planet could not make Nome or all those bleak little towns on the prairies of Nebraska and the Dakotas really pleasant and habitable 12 months of the year.
Yes but....
Bad government could always make it worse.
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It is pretty clear that San Francisco is a much more pleasant place to visit and to live than say,
Houston or Dallas.
Yep....nice place to visit...but wouldn't wanna live there!
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As someone who used to live there i can say i would love to move back but the cost simply is not realistic and confounding why people ate still willing to pay that much and more. It's not even friendly there. I love it there for the big city aspects and multi-cultural advantages.
Meaning variety of food and stuff. I love chinese food and has never eaten in a panda express. That statement means I've eaten food most of america does not know is chinese food. German,ethiopean,italian etc. are just the small samples of food I've eaten without traveling. a few years ago i talked about the best hotdogs and alot of those franks are available there. The advantages of such a city.many things i find stupid there but my heart is still in this silly town.
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It's not even friendly there.
that's one thing I really noticed
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It`s the anti-business mentally overflowing . blaming all the problems on the new residences. dreaming about the glorious old days when everything was perfect. Which I was there and don`t recall it being that great and remember a lot of overgrown vacant lots in those days. pretty sure they forgot the common sewage problems of market street and the federal intervention to clean the bay due to smell.
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The concept pof the "Good Ol' Days" exists everywhere, and so far as I can tell, is inaccurate everywhere you hear it.
People remember the best parts and forget the worst.
Those who still lament the end of the times before the Civil War in the South forget that the old plantation society, which was a paradise for the few that owned the plantations, was a society that was intolerable for most of the slaves, and not much better for the vast number of poor Whites who had to compete with forced labor.
There was a whole lot more of "Cold Mountain" in the Old South than there was of "Gone with the Wind".
The period of the Confederacy (1861-65) was even worse, because of the fighting, the dying, the slaves running away and the entire society collapsing. But there are still a lot of jerks who want to celebrate it with official "Stars and Bars" Confederate license plates on their cars.
Of course, they are free to just buy a Stars and Bars bumpersticker.
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Correction I'm very connected to san francisco but if given the offer to abandone the continental u.s. To be a lowly clerk in hawaii. Done!!
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The concept pof the "Good Ol' Days" exists everywhere, and so far as I can tell, is inaccurate everywhere you hear it.
I travel in different areas of the US and it's not the "good ole days"
it's as clear as day people are generally more friendly in the South.
One take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UdydV4qLUo
"Conde Nast Traveler" magazine's 2014 Reader' Choice Awards ranked eight of the 10 friendliest cities were in the South:
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140805/PC1610/140809668
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My experience is that people are more friendly in the West.
The "Good Ole Days" was more about harmony and simplicity than friendliness.
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One of the proud momemts of California was the 89 earthquack which we all pitched in and helped ourselves get through this. Not so sure we will react the same when it comes back.