Mine the moon for energy

[Plane]

  Are Chicano people better educated and better employed in California?

   
Seems there are some blighted neighborhoods in Ca. too.

In Texas at least it is easier to find work.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I do not think that this is true.  Texas has several of the poorest counties in the nation along the border. California is a lot better off. But that was not the actual issue. If Texas wants to secede, that is okay by me. But I doubt that there is even the remotest chance that this will occur.

[Plane]

Rural California includes a lot of people in trouble , the state government is too focused on what the urban need is.

But the urban areas include some roughness too.

I would personally prefer the state government in Texas, this is just subjective, I do not know how to make an objective measurement on this.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I have never lived in California. My father was born in Texas and left in his 20's and never lived there again. I lived briefly in El Paso.   

Texas will not secede and no state will ever be permitted to secede. But I have nothing personal against it, it is simply my observation that it will never happen and discussing it as any sort of real possibility is  therefore idiotic.

Economically, California is clearly more prosperous and clealy odfers mor opportunities for advancement of its people than Texas does.

[Plane]

Economically, California is clearly more prosperous and clealy odfers mor opportunities for advancement of its people than Texas does.

  No, I wouldn't call that "clear".

   There is a balance of persons traveling between the two states , and Texas has the advantage of it right now.

   California has a lot going for it, but it is a lot more liberally governed, and this handicaps everything.

[kimba1]

California vs texas

been hearing this since I came to this country. as a Californian I noticed a lot I repeat a lot of ex-Texans living here for various reason mainly the climate for coming here. but as I research texas economicly had the upper hand presently over California. all texas has to do now is be friendly to it`s new residence and grow. I sat this as a former san Francisco resident and seen how NIMBY behavior has hurt a city.


NIMBY-- not in my backyard

[Xavier_Onassis]

Both states have their pluses and minuses.

It is pretty clear that San Francisco is a much more pleasant place to visit and to live than say, Houston or Dallas.
But then being able to afford to live there is a major problem.

I think I would prefer San Antonio over LA.

Politics are only a fraction of what makes a location a good place to live.

[Plane]

Politics are only a fraction of what makes a location a good place to live.

Even though I must admit this to be true, I want to call it an important fraction.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The most efficient system and greatest leaders on the planet could not make Nome or all those bleak little towns on the prairies of Nebraska and the Dakotas really pleasant and habitable 12 months of the year.

[Plane]

The most efficient system and greatest leaders on the planet could not make Nome or all those bleak little towns on the prairies of Nebraska and the Dakotas really pleasant and habitable 12 months of the year.

Yes but....

   Bad government could always make it worse.

[Christians4LessGvt]

It is pretty clear that San Francisco is a much more pleasant place to visit and to live than say,
Houston or Dallas.

Yep....nice place to visit...but wouldn't wanna live there!

[kimba1]

As someone who used to live there i can say i would love to move back but the cost simply is not realistic and confounding why people ate still willing to pay that much and more. It's not even friendly there. I love it there for the big city aspects and multi-cultural advantages.

Meaning variety of food and stuff. I love chinese food and has never eaten in a panda express. That statement means I've eaten food most of america does not know is chinese food. German,ethiopean,italian etc. are just the small samples of food I've eaten without traveling. a few years ago i talked about the best hotdogs and alot of those franks are available there. The advantages of such a city.many things i find stupid there  but my heart is still in this silly town.

[Christians4LessGvt]

It's not even friendly there.

that's one thing I really noticed

[kimba1]

It`s the anti-business mentally overflowing . blaming all the problems on the new residences. dreaming about the glorious old days when everything was perfect. Which I was there and don`t recall it being that great and remember a lot of overgrown vacant lots in those days. pretty sure they forgot the common sewage problems of market street and the federal intervention to clean the bay due to smell.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The concept pof the "Good Ol' Days" exists everywhere, and so far as I can tell, is inaccurate everywhere you hear it.

People remember the best parts and forget the worst.

Those who still lament the end of the times before the Civil War in the South forget that the old plantation society, which was a paradise for the few that owned the plantations, was a society that was intolerable for most of the slaves, and not much better for the vast number of poor Whites who had to compete with forced labor.
There was a whole lot more of "Cold Mountain" in the Old South than there was of "Gone with the Wind".

The period of the Confederacy (1861-65) was even worse, because of the fighting, the dying, the slaves running away and the entire society collapsing. But there are still a lot of jerks who want to celebrate it with official "Stars and Bars" Confederate license plates on their cars.

Of course, they are free to just buy a Stars and Bars bumpersticker.