Would have made a difference?

[BT]

Using H as an example, I guess not

Consensus

[hnumpah]

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[Xavier_Onassis]

Is that a Corgi?

It resembles a Corgi. It would be hard to find a hidden weapon with a Corgi yapping at one. It might be dangerous for the Corgi once it was found, however.

The Queen has Corgis. I have always wondered how Her Majesty reacts to the less pleasant aspects of puppy training.
I hear that she and Prince Philip have little experience at dressing themselves.

[sirs]

Cute dog.  I bet it actually gives answers when asked   

[hnumpah]

Go back and read my entire first post about Obama calling it a terrorist act. I'll make it easy for you, and I especially call your attention to the part in bold.

CALM

THE FUCK

DOWN

I am simply pointing out some facts you conveniently omitted.

Another might be that in his first public statement on the attack, Obama did indeed refer to it as a terrorist act.

Look, like it or not, convenient or not, the full details are probably not going to come out until after the election. As I have pointed out, investigations and bureaucracies take time. Posting opinion pieces about speculative reasons for why what happened happened, and ravening at me in the meantime, will not change that. I agree there are a lot of questions unanswered, or not answered satisfactorily to this point, but coming at me for having the patience you lack will not change that.

The Rose Garden speech of 12 September, in full:

Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya
Rose Garden

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT:  Good morning.  Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation.  Often, they are away from their families.  Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi.  Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith.  We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed.  And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack.  We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats.  I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world.  And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths.  We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.  But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence.  None.  The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya.  Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans.  Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save.  At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi.  With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya.  When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there.  He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on.  I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks.  We mourned with the families who were lost on that day.  I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed.  And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.  Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.  We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act.  And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers.  These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity.  They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you.  May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

END
10:48 A.M. EDT

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

Now, in a speech focused almost entirely on the Benghazi attack and the deaths there, with a passing reference to 9-11-01, how do you figure his comment was not in that context?

Where do you get the idea you can demand answers from me, or anyone in here, on any issue?

Where do you get the idea you can tell me, or anyone else about me, that:

1. I am somehow 'pleading the 5th' when I clearly told you, several times, exactly what I posted?

2. Accusing me of trying to redirect, when again I told you several times exactly what I posted?

3. Accusing me of 'either dodging the question or trying to have it both ways' when, yet again, I have told you several times exactly what I posted.

And not only have I told you, it has been right there all along. You're just so busy trying to play your gotcha games and score points you are too damned lazy to go back and look.

Now piss off, you annoying little turd. I'm tired of wasting my time with you.

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is why is useless to debate sirs. He is aggressively ignorant, and hears only what he wishes to hear.

It really does not matter what Obama called this. There are no laws that demand specific words be said. The President did not cause the attack, nor did he condone it in any way. It was simply due to a lack of intelligence in a country in a state of chaos.

There are few that would not  prefer a yapping Corgi to a yapping sirs.

[sirs]

Go back and read my entire first post about Obama calling it a terrorist act. I'll make it easy for you, and I especially call your attention to the part in bold.

I agree there are a lot of questions unanswered, or not answered satisfactorily to this point, but coming at me for having the patience you lack will not change that.

Yea, I got that the 1st time.  You apparently keep ignoring that is not the issue, in this particular thread.  For a matter that supposedly we've moved on from, its apparently you don't want to.  Probably because you got your hand caught in the cookie jar, and now are trying to wash them with the latest and greatest semantic tip toe.  So, let's address your questions, that I thought we wanted to stop referencing.  I guess the one yapping now is you, but ok, I'll bite

Where do you get the idea you can tell me, or anyone else about me, that:

1. I am somehow 'pleading the 5th' when I clearly told you, several times, exactly what I posted?

Because again, the issue is not what the President said at that moment in the Rose Garden,  It has been what he has said since, in particular later that day, and even a week later.  With THOSE comments on top of what he said in the Rose Garden, is precisely why I asked you if you were still insisting on defending what he claimed he said in the Rose Garden.  It was a question about the forest, not some branch on a tree.  But instead of answering that, you kept reposting his extremely, and likely purposely vague Rose Garden Statement, and ignoring everything else.  I understand why....it debunks your defense that Obama called the Benghazi attack specifically an Act of Terrorism. 

In other words, instead of rethinking your original conclusion, and applying that objective side I know you have, you kept reposting his original sentence, as if that got you off the hook.  Basically pleading the 5th, as it relates to the question I posed.

2. Accusing me of trying to redirect, when again I told you several times exactly what I posted?

See #1

3. Accusing me of 'either dodging the question or trying to have it both ways' when, yet again, I have told you several times exactly what I posted.

See #1

And not only have I told you, it has been right there all along. You're just so busy trying to play your gotcha games and score points you are too damned lazy to go back and look.

Not at all, since I knew what you had posted, all along.  Your effort to reference still unanswered questions, doesn't get you off from not having answered a very direct question posed to you.  Instead, you kept posting one vague comment made in the Rose Garden, that if you skew your eyes enough and thought process just enough, can make it to mean,.... just about anything you want it to mean.  The objectivity comes when you look at all his comments, in their entirety, starting right after his at the moment Rose Garden rhetoric, that I posted

Now piss off, you annoying little turd. I'm tired of wasting my time with you.

Now this is something to behold...spend all this time, trying to recreate the events of the past, ask me several questions, then tell me to go away??  Sorry H....not going anywhere.  It's not called a debate forum for nothing.  Are you now looking to adopt the xo school of name calling as an alternate to debate?  I see Bsb has been excelling in class lately.  And notice Professor Xo, now inferring that words don't really matter.  That there's no law about what words have to be said....as if that's the point that was being made, or even being argued.      Nor is anyone claiming that Obama caused the attack or condone it in any way.   

Which begs the question.......why would he say such?



I tried Plane, but both H and Xo wanted another bite at the apple, so I obliged.  Maybe now we can move on

[Xavier_Onassis]

Maybe now we can move on

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I am moving on.

I hope you are "pissing off". There is no high five for you, there is no bingo. Droop your head, put your tail between your legs and practice sad yelping and whining, and all will be well.

[sirs]

LOL....yep, the Xo school of debate.

[Plane]

The last word .

Anyone want to form a pool?