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[sirs]

Which again, with Cu4 demonstrating, can be largely interchangible.  And again, who claimed he was apologising to someone/anyone specfically??

Face it Bt, you made an erroneous assumption, of what I must have meant.  You then ran with that erroneous assumption, even piling on with that "piece of work" crap.  Then have the audicity to try and lecture me on precisly the same thing you just pulled.  My POV mirrored precisley what Bush was referencing, and that he was apparently apologising/expressing regret for those who took it too figuratively, while giving his BDS enemies ammo to pound away with him on, with the not so transparent help of the MSM

Why you still want to give me, and apparently me alone, grief on this and so many other topics, definately gives me pause to wonder why

[BT]

Which again, with Cu4 demonstrating, can be largely interchangeable.

Actually CU4 helped prove my point.

Regrets and apologies are not the same and are not interchangeable.

For example, I may have regrets for not going to law school.

Does that mean i am apologizing for not going to law school?

No.

And if you claimed i was apologizing you would be misrepresenting what i said.

[sirs]

actually he helped make my point, with what he highlighted

so, one last time, who claimed he was apologising to anyone specifically??

[BT]

You claimed he apologized. You claimed he apologized  "To anyone who took his words too figuratively, I suppose. "


What he did was express regrets.

[Christians4LessGvt]

BT has evolved into many ways like UP....a "define is" poster
To me it is sad...and boring as hell...and makes a conversation almost impractical
On top of that BT primarily points his "define is" on everything SIRS says.
Really who gives a fuck whether the word is "apology" "apologize" or "regret"?
Why get bogged down in such nonsense....does it change the "big picture"?
Does it really change the debate about "Mission Accomplished" was right or wrong?
And I know we will see him race in screaming..."well if words dont have meanings"...blah blah
But that's not the way we conduct conversations with people if we are to converse.
It is impractical to "define is" in every conversation we have with people.
For example..."when you say your car is broke down...can you define is"?
People would look at you like you are crazy....
Can you imagine operating that way at work or in social setting?
If you indeed live like that I promise you live a lonely life
Because people just wont want to bother communicating with people like that
The same goes here.....
The debate becomes not the primary issue at hand
The debate melts into "define is"...."you shoulda said "regret" and not "apologize"...whateva!

[Kramer]

George W. Bush Interviewed By Bill O'Reilly !!!

[sirs]

You claimed he apologized  "To anyone who took his words too figuratively, I suppose. "

What he did was express regrets.

Regrets on how his words were taken.  Yea, that is SOOOO misrepresenting what Bush said         Apparently, one of my earlier conclusions, in another thread continues to be validated, in that Bt seems to be more focused on trying to prove sirs wrong vs trying to get it right

BTW, thanks C.  It would seem your conclusions on this are demonstrating to be pretty accurate as well

[BT]

BT has evolved into many ways like UP....a "define is" poster
To me it is sad...and boring as hell...and makes a conversation almost impractical
On top of that BT primarily points his "define is" on everything SIRS says.
Really who gives a fuck whether the word is "apology" "apologize" or "regret"?
Why get bogged down in such nonsense....does it change the "big picture"?
Does it really change the debate about "Mission Accomplished" was right or wrong?
And I know we will see him race in screaming..."well if words dont have meanings"...blah blah
But that's not the way we conduct conversations with people if we are to converse.
It is impractical to "define is" in every conversation we have with people.
For example..."when you say your car is broke down...can you define is"?
People would look at you like you are crazy....
Can you imagine operating that way at work or in social setting?
If you indeed live like that I promise you live a lonely life
Because people just wont want to bother communicating with people like that
The same goes here.....
The debate becomes not the primary issue at hand
The debate melts into "define is"...."you shoulda said "regret" and not "apologize"...whateva!

Nice rant, but off target .

The issue is this.

Was Bush within his rights to express regrets over the Mission Accomplished sign. Sure.

Was an apology required for the Mission Accomplished sign? I don't think so, nor do i think he offered one,

Now if you think the words are interchangeable, it seems to me that you think Bush does owe America an apology for that sign, else why would he apologize.

And somehow i don't think that is the case.

Because then Bush's meaning of the sign and the reasons for it,  are less important than how the sign was interpreted by those who think an apology was offered and or required.

It all boils down to who owns one's intent. the speaker or the listener.

[Christians4LessGvt]

BT....
I'm sorry but I just don't get your point....
why get caught up in semantics?
cant we do better?
is that the point?
to try and punch semantic holes in every one of SIRS arguments
you may not even realize you are doing it because it has become such a habit
i am not taking a cheap shot at you because i think you know i have a lot of respect for you
but words can have different meanings in different contexts cant they?
you gave an example how regret and apology are not the same
sure...and that's true....but that doesn't mean they are always "not the same".
Obviously seeing the definitions I posted the two terms are VERY closely related.
Why would he apologize?
I suppose Bush regrets giving Bush Haters the free ammo...so be it....that's his call
Maybe he thinks in hindsight even at times the TRUTH is best left unsaid...
And that is I guess true....
When your wife asks..."do you think I've gained weight over Christmas"?
and it's obvious she has....maybe it's best left unsaid and change the subject
maybe that's how Bush feels now....I dunno

[BT]

CU

Did you hear Bush apologize in that clip?

[sirs]

Did I, when you jumped all over me??

And when I did use the term apologise, could I have stated He showed regret for how it was perceived.  Nothing wrong with that, though IMHO, he didn't need to.  It was clear as day what the "mission accomplished" was referencing. and it work just as well, and largely mean the same thing??

You see BT, yes, you can have a scenario where apologise & regret don't mean the same.  The problem is, you also CAN, as Cu4's definitions reference, where they can largely mean the same

But you had to insist I meant something, I never did.  I have to keep asking, why?? 

[BT]

My question was for CU. And quite a simple question at that.
Did he hear Bush apologize for the Mission Accomplished sign.


You have already stated your response.

[sirs]

I'm still waiting for my question to be answered.  How did you get this from this??

[Christians4LessGvt]

CU..Did you hear Bush apologize in that clip?

BT I heard President Bush express "regret".
And in the dictionary link I posted "regret" can mean "to feel sorrow or remorse for"
and the word "apology" can mean "spoken expression of one's regret, remorse, or sorrow for"
so I think yes I could see some people taking it as an apology.
It's semantics and how one interprets it....no?

[BT]

did YOU take it as an apology?