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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2006, 09:52:10 PM »



Direct talks resulted in a bomb programme , six party talks resulted in a bomb programme.

What exactly does Kim Ill Jung want to say to us that he cannot say in frount of the Chineese?

If they wanted a deal where they got electrical generation with low grade fuel and a few tonns of rice and wheat and garuntees of non-interference , they could have honored the deal that they made with Carter and Clinton in direct talks.

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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2006, 10:36:50 PM »
Josh Marshall:


    "Failure" =1994-2002 -- Era of Clinton 'Agreed Framework': No plutonium production. All existing plutonium under international inspection. No bomb.

    "Success" = 2002-2006 -- Bush Policy Era: Active plutonium production. No international inspections of plutonium stocks. Nuclear warhead detonated.

    Face it. They ditched an imperfect but working policy. They replaced it with nothing. Now North Korea is a nuclear state.

    Facts hurt. So do nukes.

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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2006, 11:34:19 PM »
And don't forget the 2 nuclear power plants that Clinton pretty much gave Kim, that without them, NK would have never had the possibility of making "the bomb", in the 1st place.

Way to go, Bill.  That's right up there with how"effective" he was at taking out Usama, the multiple times they had the chance.  What a legacy
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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2006, 03:36:36 PM »
And don't forget the 2 nuclear power plants that Clinton pretty much gave Kim, that without them, NK would have never had the possibility of making "the bomb", in the 1st place.

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Clinton never gave anything nuclear to Kim. Nada, Bupkiss, Zilch.

The gist of the Clinton agreem,ent was that in return for agreeing NOT to refine Unranium, Kim would receive light water reactors to produce electricity. These could not be used tpo produce any sort of bomb-making substance.

Then JuniorDolt was "elected" and cancelled all provisions for any deal with North Korea. North Korea received no nuclear anything.

Kim felt that he had been screwed, and since he had received nothing, his part of the deal was invalid.

So he built the bomb, and tested it, or at least that's what he wanted us to believe he did.

How is Kim's nuclear deterrent different from that of the US?

Why should Kim not feel that he was screwed, since he received nothing in return for his agreement?

This is just more typical crap from the Rove propaganda machine.

I am not ducking. I am not covering.

Juniorbush will only stop lying when he is deceased.

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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2006, 03:54:22 PM »
Then JuniorDolt was "elected" and cancelled all provisions for any deal with North Korea. North Korea received no nuclear anything.

Actually, according to the deal Clinton made, Japan would provide over $1 billion in funding for the construction of the 2 light water reactors. That funding was then retracted by Japan when N. Korea lauched two missiles over Japan on 31 August 98. It was that event which eventually killed the deal.

Why should Kim not feel that he was screwed, since he received nothing in return for his agreement?

Maybe he shouldn't have lobbed missiles over one of the countries paying for the reactors, huh?
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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2006, 04:48:26 PM »
Actually, according to the deal Clinton made, Japan would provide over $1 billion in funding for the construction of the 2 light water reactors. That funding was then retracted by Japan when N. Korea lauched two missiles over Japan on 31 August 98. It was that event which eventually killed the deal.

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This isn't true.

Nothing was lobbed "over Japan".

The current nuclear status is mostly due to the typical incompetence of Juniorbush and his puppeteers at understanding Kim and dealing diplomatically with himA good diplomat can even achieve success with a buffoon. But the fact is that both Kim and and the Juniorbushies are utter  buffoons of the lowest order.

This crap where Juniorbush says that he wants to resolve problems diplomatically (with Iraq, then wirth Iran and N. Korea) and then refuses to talk is idiocy of the worst sort. Appointing an annoying thug like Boulton is typical for these loons.

If there were any justice in the world, a mob of several million indignant Americans would drag these clowns Juniorbush, Cheney, Rice, Rummy, Rove, and Mitch McConnell and Henry "The Thing that Will Not Die" Kissinger and  out of their cushy offices, like the pestilent maggots that they are,  tie them to poles, coat them with tar and feathers, running them out of town on the rail, leaving them somewhere beyond the Beltway. It's what they deserve.


That, or drowning their sorry butts in the Reflecting Pool. What a bunch of utterly worthless cowardly chickenhawks they are.
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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2006, 04:57:31 PM »
Feel better now Hoof?     ;D
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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2006, 06:20:14 PM »
This isn't true.

Nothing was lobbed "over Japan".

"On August 31, 1998, North Korea launched what was initially believed to be a two-stage Taepodong 1 (TD1) missile eastward over Japan. The first stage of the missile fell into international waters roughly 400 miles east of the launch site, and the second stage flew over Japanese territory, splashing down in the Pacific Ocean approximately 930 miles from the launch site." (emphasis added)
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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2006, 10:05:46 PM »
Observe that this article, from some source I have never heard of, claimed that a stage of a rocket intended to LAUNCH A SATELLITE went over JAPANESE TERRITORY. NOT JAPAN, Japanese Territory, which might mean some stray islet out there or someplace within the fishing waters.

This article is obvious propaganda. Any dunce can tell from the way it is worded.

The fact is that Kim got NOTHING for his promise, and so why should he keep it? Why?

If you pay for something and do not get it, do you pay for it anyway?

It makes sense to me for North Korea rto claim to have nukes, just as it makes sense for Israel to have them.

If it actually went over Japan itself, and had been some sort of agressive weapon, and not a failed attempt at launching a satellite, that might have been something dangerous.

But it wasn't.

And Juniordunce and his puppeteers really do deserve tarring, feathering and being run out of town on a rail. And should it happen, I would rejoice heartily.

The worst administration since Jefferson Davis.
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Re: The Clinton Legacy: North Korea's Bomb
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2006, 12:47:48 AM »
This article is obvious propaganda. Any dunce can tell from the way it is worded.

Thank you again, Mr Obvious.
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