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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Lanya on April 30, 2007, 05:45:30 PM

Title: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Lanya on April 30, 2007, 05:45:30 PM
April 30, 2007
Wolfowitz Resignation Deal in the Works

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Behind the scenes of the gladiatorial battle that will take place between Paul Wolfowitz and the World Bank Board today are efforts by his lawyer, Robert Bennett, and the Bank staff to negotiate terms of Wolfowitz's departure.

According to some insiders, Wolfowitz wants "some acknowledgment" of the Bank Board's complicity in the messy circumstances surrounding his and Shaha Riza's situation.

Secondly, allegedly on June 1st, Wolfowitz becomes eligible for some large financial bonus -- for performance and time on the job. One estimate puts this figure at about $400,000. Wolfowitz wants to make sure those funds are credited to his private bank account before saying farewell to an institution that has come to despise him.

Both sides have threatened each other with slow, painful, drip-drip approach to the release of damaging information that each side has about the other.

One blast in the battle are revelations that it costs the Bank a whopping $5 million per year
to pay for Wolfowitz's security detail. Others have told me of Wolfowitz's failure to discipline aide Kevin Kellems for equally whopping violations of Bank protocol -- particularly while traveling on Bank business.

Wolfowitz is angry at the Bank at all those other than his closest spear-carriers. At one level, he does not want to resign and wants to tear the World Bank apart by forcing escalation in this war. But others -- particularly Secretary of the Treasury Hank Paulson -- have made it clear behind the scenes that a negotiated outcome that saves some face for Wolfowitz will give all sides an opportunity to push what one Paulson insider calls "the reset button."

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002098.php
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Mucho on April 30, 2007, 08:00:59 PM
I didnt believe this story until I got to the $400000 part. Money trumps guilt, innocence, morals and even hypocracy to Repubs. Heck it trumps everything. Nixon only resigned to keep his Presidential pension.
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: The_Professor on May 01, 2007, 09:16:45 AM
I have yet to fully comprehend why all the hooplah over this Wolfowitz "thing". Okay, he helped his girlfiriend get a job. Like this doesn't happen anywhere! (sarcastic). Wrong thing to do, but not Earth-shattering. Big whoop...

As far as the reason why Nixon resigned, I would hope he did it to save the nation even more grief.

I wonder, Knute, if Nixon were a Democrat, would you be so punishing as to his motives?
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Lanya on May 01, 2007, 11:47:50 AM
Maybe this will explain why it's a big deal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/12/AR2007041201822.html
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: BT on May 01, 2007, 11:48:19 AM
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Okay, he helped his girlfiriend get a job.

Not true. She already had the job at the world bank when he took the job. The world bank ethics committee recomended that she take a job at State, which she did and since it was at a higher pay grade she got a raise.

The ethics committee reviewed the transfer and compensation a second time and still found no problems.

So your initial instinct as to wondering what all the hoopla is all about was correct.

This is political infighting at its most nefarious.

Keep in mind who is fanning the flames.
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Mucho on May 01, 2007, 12:41:52 PM
I have yet to fully comprehend why all the hooplah over this Wolfowitz "thing". Okay, he helped his girlfiriend get a job. Like this doesn't happen anywhere! (sarcastic). Wrong thing to do, but not Earth-shattering. Big whoop...

As far as the reason why Nixon resigned, I would hope he did it to save the nation even more grief.

I wonder, Knute, if Nixon were a Democrat, would you be so punishing as to his motives?

Sometimes it is difficult to get a criminal on his actual evil deeds . Al Capone went to prison for taxes, not murder. Wolfie is similar.
Nixon resigned for a decent reason? You really are a sucker, Prof.

I am just as hard on evil & stupid  Dems than similar Repubs. I hated Johnson then almost as much as Bushidiot now and I was equally thrilled when he decided not to run. His motives sucked as well.
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: The_Professor on May 01, 2007, 01:53:26 PM
I have yet to fully comprehend why all the hooplah over this Wolfowitz "thing". Okay, he helped his girlfiriend get a job. Like this doesn't happen anywhere! (sarcastic). Wrong thing to do, but not Earth-shattering. Big whoop...

As far as the reason why Nixon resigned, I would hope he did it to save the nation even more grief.

I wonder, Knute, if Nixon were a Democrat, would you be so punishing as to his motives?
I am just as hard on evil & stupid  Dems than similar Repubs. I hated Johnson then almost as much as Bushidiot now and I was equally thrilled when he decided not to run. His motives sucked as well.

I am glad to hear it, Knute.
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Amianthus on May 01, 2007, 02:30:35 PM
I am just as hard on evil & stupid  Dems than similar Repubs. I hated Johnson then almost as much as Bushidiot now and I was equally thrilled when he decided not to run. His motives sucked as well.
I am glad to hear it, Knute.

Of course, it's not true, either.
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on May 01, 2007, 02:57:23 PM
Wolfowitz has made more money in the last five years than most people with his with his credentials make in a lifetime. And for what" for helping to foist a totally unnecessary and unwinnable war, incompetently planned, upon his country. He won't be paying for his huge mistakes.

As for his girlfriend, her huge and unjustified raise is the issue: she is making more than most higher-ranking people in the State Department, and she isn't even a god-damned real American.

And still, Wolfie wants more. And more and more.

what an unspeakable turd!
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: BT on May 01, 2007, 03:06:42 PM
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As for his girlfriend, her huge and unjustified raise is the issue: she is making more than most higher-ranking people in the State Department, and she isn't even a god-damned real American.

She was given the raise to put her at mid level in her state department pay grade commensurate with her experience.

This is just the noise machine at work. They will slink off to the next issue soon, garbage tops clanging like some idiot marching parade.
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Mucho on May 01, 2007, 03:22:32 PM
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As for his girlfriend, her huge and unjustified raise is the issue: she is making more than most higher-ranking people in the State Department, and she isn't even a god-damned real American.

She was given the raise to put her at mid level in her state department pay grade commensurate with her experience.

 


You swallow any shit they serve you. It only makes sense to the most lame of US that middle level SOS employees make more than the SoS herself.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/4282 (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/4282)
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on May 01, 2007, 03:38:58 PM
Most of the worst blunders in US foreign policy have been made by an elite cadre of Yalies or foreigners.

I have no idea whether Wolfie's girlfriend is competent or not, but just because Wolfie gets a bone at the World Bank should not mean that the State Department should suddenly find a previously unrecognized need for someone in a top-level position at the State Department at $200K +. One needs to recognize that her $200K is addition to HUGE perks and allowances that real jobs would never include.
 
The entire situation is fishy beyond belief.

Wolfie f*cks up bigtime in foreign policy, so now he gets kicked upstairs to the World Bank. Juniorbush's main effect in the world has to make the rest of the world hate the US for starting a useless and stupid colonial war, and putting Wolfowitz in this job only adds to the hate.

It's like the asshole Republicans were trying to find a rhyme for LBJ putting MacNamara in the WB after he screwed up with Vietnam.

 Wolfie, for whatever reason, cannot run the WB, because the entire staff there hates his guts. He can't fire them, and the WB won't do much of anything useful until he is out.

Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: BT on May 01, 2007, 05:18:02 PM
The bank has a different payscale than the department of state.

Don't let those pesky facts bite you on the ass.

According to the documents on the bank's website, it was the ethics committee's own idea — not Wolfowitz's — to give Riza a promotion as she was being moved out for four years. She was transferred to the State Department to work on a grass-roots democracy project that has been praised by Secretary Condoleezza Rice. She was given the mid-range salary for her new level. This was a lot of money, but it was based on the bank's existing pay scales. It was certainly not a corrupt favor to a girlfriend.

The most amazing thing is that all the facts were reviewed for a second time by the World Bank ethics committee last year, and again it found nothing wrong. The chairman of the ethics committee pronounced in a Feb. 28, 2006, letter that "the ethics committee decided that the allegations … do not appear to pose ethical issues." It is hard to square the record with the entertaining claim that the World Bank's president somehow concocted a do-nothing job for his girlfriend. It's a bum rap, and one that women professionals in dual-career families might worry about.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-wedgwood17apr17,1,4221206,print.story
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Mucho on May 01, 2007, 05:53:46 PM
Nice deflection, but you didnt confront the fact at hand you only spun around the truth that your original lie  by quoting a known RW hack  .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Wedgwood  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Wedgwood)
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: BT on May 01, 2007, 06:07:39 PM
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Nice deflection, but you didnt confront the fact at hand you only spun around the truth that your original lie  by quoting a known RW hack  .

The piece was published in the LA Times.  A known left wing rag.

Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on May 01, 2007, 06:33:23 PM
When someone gets a sh*tload more money, it is certainly a favor.

Was she making so little at the bank that she could not pay the rent?  What is the deal here?

How is it that the State Department just happened to note this pressing need for her right at the time she had to leave the Wo0rld Bank?

Doesn't that sound like a real coincidence to you?

Has anything like this ever happened to you? I know it hasn't happened to me.

But the real story here is Wolfie. He can't continue to run the World Bank because no one there respects him.

Either we have an ineffectual, unproductive WB with him nominally in charge, or we have a possible effective WB without him. That's the real issue.

As for the relocated Iranian, she's not really important, other than perhaps being overpaid.
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: BT on May 01, 2007, 06:47:34 PM
The WB EThics commission recommended the transfer as the best way to avoid conflict. According to the story they also adjusted recommended her new salary. When they revisited the situation they also again gave Wolkowitz a clean ethical bill of health.

he WB has a different salary scale than state and she is on loan to state but paid by the WB. Condi's salary is not relevant to the situation.

Similar situations have happened with me.It is why people networking is worthwhile, both when looking for work and moving up the ladder.

When i was in computer sales i woud love it when a purchaser switched companies. Because nine times out of ten i got a new customer out of it.




Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on May 01, 2007, 06:58:48 PM
The WB EThics commission recommended the transfer as the best way to avoid conflict. According to the story they also adjusted recommended her new salary. When they revisited the situation they also again gave Wolkowitz a clean ethical bill of health.

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But the fact remains: he can't govern. He's toast.

The WB has a different salary scale than state and she is on loan to state but paid by the WB. Condi's salary is not relevant to the situation.


Doesn't it seem a tad weird that the World Bank should be paying a State Department employee's salary?

I think it would be nice for them to pay MY salary as well. At their pay scale of course. It wouldn't be relevant that I might be making more than the President of my university, either.

Again, perhaps this broad is the Second Coming Incarnate and deserves a bazillion more.

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BUT... The issue is whether Wolfie will go, and when.

We all know why.

It was a dumb idea to appoint him.

He won't have a problem finding gainful employment: he could write a book, he could get a lot of offers from corporations, especially those who sell stuff to Israel.

It's time for Wolfie to depart.




Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: BT on May 01, 2007, 07:06:33 PM
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Doesn't it seem a tad weird that the World Bank should be paying a State Department employee's salary?


Not really. BellSouth still pays their executive salaries when their execs are loaned to the united way for a year or so.

She was transferred to the State Department to work on a grass-roots democracy project that has been praised by Secretary Condoleezza Rice. And the transfer was recommended by the ethics committee.
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on May 01, 2007, 07:15:26 PM
Not really. BellSouth still pays their executive salaries when their execs are loaned to the united way for a year or so.

A poor comparison: this is done for the tax deduction. There are no tax deductions involved in the Reza deal.

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She was transferred to the State Department to work on a grass-roots democracy project that has been praised by Secretary Condoleezza Rice. And the transfer was recommended by the ethics committee.

What sort of grass-roots democracy has occurred due to her presence? 

Have free elections in Togo occurred as a result, one asks?

Perhaps a city council election in Chowpatty, Lhasa, Zamboanga or Ougadougou?
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If the ethics committee approved paying my salary, would that not be considered a tad weird?


But once more, the main issue is that Wolfie must go. They hater his guts at the World Bank. They know him better than we do.

I don't think much of him, and I've never met him.
Title: Re: Wolfowitz resignation deal?
Post by: BT on May 02, 2007, 12:42:02 AM
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But once more, the main issue is that Wolfie must go

And apparently he is negotiating the terms of his departure. But even that simple business transaction has the hyenas howling.

Much ado about nada.