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Caucasian Association for Harris County Deputies
Updated: Tuesday, 13 Apr 2010, 11:07 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 13 Apr 2010, 11:07 PM CDT
KRISTINE GALVAN
Reporter
HOUSTON - In a quiet suburban neighborhood, longtime Harris County Sheriff's Deputy Daniel McCool, a married father of four, Is creating quite a stir.
"We knew there would be (reaction)," said Deputy McCool, founder of the Caucasian Law Enforcement Association. "Just not to the extent it's gone."
While it may sound like an 'Anglos only' club for sheriff's deputies, the Caucasian Law Enforcement Association is open to deputies of all races. McCool says its first member was a Hispanic female who signed up in February.
So why the sudden interest now?
It all started when McCool hit Harris County Commissioners Court to request automatic payroll deductions for his new group. Then he made the talk radio circuit and sparked a lot of debate.
McCool said he started his group because he is not happy about the hiring practices at the Sheriff's Office.
"The best qualified candidate should get the job," said McCool, "not those who know somebody or have friends in high places."
Sheriff Adrian Garcia was not available for comment, but a spokesperson issued a statement that read " hiring and promoting at the HCSO is done in accordance with civil services rules, non-discriminatory practices, and fairness and good sense."
McCool said he just wants fairness, but when you name a group after a certain race, you cannot really dodge the issue.
"i think certainly the Sheriff should be concerned," said Harris County Judge Ed Emmett. "You want your Sheriff's Department to be a unit, not separate entities that work in the same building and picks up patrol cars from the same location."
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/100413-caucasian-group-for-harris-county-deputies (http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/100413-caucasian-group-for-harris-county-deputies)
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If you want your sheriffs dept to be a unit then hire everyone based on the best qualified candidate regardless of looks, politics or religion. Since the inception of Affirmative Action the nation has been divided. Why wouldn't it cause division when inferior people are hired over superior people. Just hire the best qualified person not the black guy, the lesbian or the Mexican because of silliness called diversity. Diversity and Affirmative Action is what was behind the election of Obama and look at what a loser we got in Barry!
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<<Diversity and Affirmative Action is what was behind the election of Obama and look at what a loser we got in Barry!>>
OTOH, nepotism and Anglo genes didn't work out so well before him.
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Welcome to the Balkans
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<<Welcome to the Balkans.>>
If everyone just ignored the racial dividing lines, the whole race problem would go away.
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Hyphens should be outlawed.
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It's easy to say that hyphens should be outlawed, but you have no idea what's lost when they are. Whole cultures just vanish into the abyss.
I'm more in favour of some kind of middle ground. I agree that the dangers of Balkanization are real and must be avoided at all costs. OTOH, there's a certain amount of ethnic heritage that can be retained without necessarily Balkanizing the country. And racial discrimination should not be the price of that retention.
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Whole cultures just vanish into the abyss.
So that's what happened to the Aztecs. They lost their hyphen.
You crack me up.
OTOH, there's a certain amount of ethnic heritage that can be retained without necessarily Balkanizing the country. And racial discrimination should not be the price of that retention.
Yeah that can be handled at the family level.
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<<Diversity and Affirmative Action is what was behind the election of Obama and look at what a loser we got in Barry!>>
OTOH, nepotism and Anglo genes didn't work out so well before him.
The point is there are highly qualified, experienced, educated, intelligent and gifted leaders that are black, white, Jewish, Latino, Asian etc over Obama. If we never had Affirmative Action Barry never would have made it to the party. We never would have known him and he would not have been elected. If I need brain surgery I want the gay, Latino, mass murderer as long as she graduated the top of her class, is board certified, and is the best of the best. I want the same for my president. I will be a little less picky about my garbage collector though. After all that is what we expect in our professional athletes!
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that`s an interest topic
it`s never been brought up about how he got his education.
was it through affirmative action?
and as a side question about education.
here in california it`s a given that asian pretty much earned whatever education they get.
my question is does the rest of the country think asians are can`t compete without affirmative action.
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<<Welcome to the Balkans.>>
If everyone just ignored the racial dividing lines, the whole race problem would go away.
And if pigs had wings they would fly. But pigs don't fly and people don't ignore race. Never have and never will. Lotsa luck basing your public policy on either proposition.
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<<And if pigs had wings they would fly. But pigs don't fly and people don't ignore race. Never have and never will. Lotsa luck basing your public policy on either proposition.>>
FYI, RD, that post you responded to was pure sarcasm. The point I was trying to make was that affirmative action was necessary because people don't ignore race.
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<<The point is there are highly qualified, experienced, educated, intelligent and gifted leaders that are black, white, Jewish, Latino, Asian etc over Obama.>>
That's probably a statement you could make about any President, with the possible exception of FDR. Harry Truman, minus the racially-inclusive verbiage, basically made it about himself. The fact is, your system did not deliver to the electorate a choice between the most qualified, experienced, etc. candidates, you had in fact a choice between Barry and McCain. Deal with it. Live with it.
<<If we never had Affirmative Action Barry never would have made it to the party. >>
No, he would have been getting coffee for Bill Clinton. You can't possibly prove what you just said, it's pure speculation. McCain and his ditzy little running mate were not exactly geniuses, as I'm sure you've realized by now. Obama seems to me like a pretty intelligent guy and regardless of what his detractors say, I like the way he speaks and handles himself in public. If it's all due to a teleprompter, then fine, let his colleagues get their own teleprompters and do better, but so far none of them seem to have been able to come up with such an easy fix. The most that AA could have done for Obama was to bring him to the party, it sure as hell did not win him either the nomination or the election. (Although to be fair, it was Dubya who won him the election.) And I think AA should bring more people to the party, particularly the blacks, who were unfairly excluded from it for way too long by the same kind of racists who are now complaining that they are being let in now.
What gets people into the party anyway? (I'm using "party" in continuation of your metaphor, Kramer, not in reference to either the GOP or the Democrats, of course.) We've seen how family connections and money do it - - Bush1, Bush2, FDR, JFK. We've seen how good looks and Hollywood exposure do it - - Reagan, Ahhhnold. We've seen how dishonesty, lies and a willingness to abandon any ethical path for the sake of wealthy backers can do it - - Tricky Dick. So let's not pretend that the party is some kind of A-list event where only the finest and purest of the nation can gain admittance. People get in however they can, and basically what AA does is that it levels out the playing field somewhat as far as race is concerned.
<<If I need brain surgery I want the [onr who] graduated the top of her class, is board certified, and is the best of the best. >>
Yeah, welcome to the club. And lotsa luck in finding her. Whoever has the money will price her right out of your league and you'll be lucky to get the middle of the class. Or if you're one of the uninsured, more like the bottom of the class. If you lived in Canada, where they all get paid the same for doing the same kind of procedure, the best of the best is as likely to find herself working on an unemployed autoworker as on a multi-millionaire. Why not? Pays the same anyway.
<<I want the same for my president. >>
Well, back in the Real World, you seem to be doomed to an endless series of disappointments, then. It seems in over two hundred years, you have not even been able to elect a woman President, as every other industrialized nation has managed to do, let alone the <<gay, Latino, mass murderer>> you say you would be willing to accept. Seems like you are a little bit ahead of the pack on that one, Kramer.
<<I will be a little less picky about my garbage collector though. >>
What can I say? Isn't that America? Where any black, Puerto Rican, Mexican, or even native American Indian, can aspire to pick up the white man's garbage?
<<After all that is what we expect in our professional athletes!>>
Professional athletics are probably the only activity in America to have achieved a true meritocracy, although even there you have to wonder about sports such as ice hockey, which require such large investments in equipment and rink time from such an early age.
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<<So that's what happened to the Aztecs. They lost their hyphen.>>
You should look a little closer to home. I know Americans who can't even pronounce their own last names properly or speak the language that it came from.
<<You crack me up.>>
That's only because you have a very limited perspective. I was actually speaking seriously.
<<Yeah [retaining a certain amount of ethnic heritage without Balkanizing the country] can be handled at the family level. >>
That's right, it can. So I guess you're prepared to allow a certain amount of voluntary hyphenation after all. There are worse things. I'm in favour of a modest amount of hyphenation, as long as it's kept within strict limits. It should not, for example, influence the foreign policy of the nation. It should not lead to inter-ethnic discrimination in public accommodation, employment, housing, etc.
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actually garbage collecter is a extreme reverse.
meaning it take alot of incentives to get a good one.
goodpay, excellent benefits to get someone to do a low rep ,physically damaging job.
remember most folks will say they won`t do it and somehow got the strange idea the pay shouldn`t be good.
don`t understand the thinking about crappy jobs should have crappy pay
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I have heard that to collect garbage in San Francisco, one had to be Genovese, and of course to join the union. I suppose that one might be able to get in more easily now, though.
I agree that a crappy job should not be poorly paid. Garbage collection is more essential to more people more often than most public services.
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First time I ever heard of the Genovesi exerting any kind of pull anywhere in North America. Now if you were talking Calabrese or Sicilian, it would sound all too familiar. Good for the Genovesi!!! But why San Francisco? Did Vito Genovese have anything to do with it?
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You should look a little closer to home. I know Americans who can't even pronounce their own last names properly or speak the language that it came from.
I'm 4th generation Irish as well as 4th generation Germanic. I speak neither German nor Irish. Neither culture dominates the blend, but both are acknowledged. No need for hyphens.
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I have heard that to collect garbage in San Francisco, one had to be Genovese, and of course to join the union. I suppose that one might be able to get in more easily now, though.
I agree that a crappy job should not be poorly paid. Garbage collection is more essential to more people more often than most public services.
I have to agree -- Obama would do a better job collecting trash than president. Plus there's lots of good stuff he could take home too.
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<<I'm 4th generation Irish as well as 4th generation Germanic. I speak neither German nor Irish. Neither culture dominates the blend, but both are acknowledged. No need for hyphens.>>
I've got very mixed feelings about this. I always opposed multiculturalism. I figured people came here to get away from all the old shit and we don't need them bringing it in now. OTOH, as I've gotten older, I have started to appreciate elements of foreign culture, Italian music and cuisine, for example, and the language itself. Why shouldn't everyone be entitled to keep a part of his parents' and grandparents' cultures with them as a reminder of who they are and where they came from? Why should I have to pretend that the cultural influences which shaped my grandparents, then my parents and then me are exactly the same cultural influences that shaped my Anglo neighbour?
My head is telling me the old stuff is best left behind and my heart says that we're losing part of our souls to blend into some one-size-fits-all kind of Anglo culture, so I really think there's gotta be a middle way. My generation went too far in the direction of cutting the strings, and I can see our children are retreating a bit from where we got to. But I still think the primary objective is a society where we're all Canadians working toward common Canadian goals and not a place where the Germans hate the Jews and the Jews hate the Arabs and the Greeks hate the Turks, etc. etc. We all got a second chance here and we shouldn't have to fuck it up by importing shit that belongs where we left it. Anyone who doesn't see it that way should pack his fucking bags and go wherever the hell they are fighting each other and jump right in. And that includes AIPAC and all the rest of The Lobby.
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Why shouldn't everyone be entitled to keep a part of his parents' and grandparents' cultures with them as a reminder of who they are and where they came from?
And no one says you have to give up the cuisine,culture and traditions.
Where i draw the line is when that same identity is used as a wedge.
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In the unlikely event that all other things are equal.
Would you rather vote for a canadate that shared your heritage ?
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Would you rather vote for a canadate that shared your heritage ?
I'd rather they share my position on issues.
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Would you rather vote for a canadate that shared your heritage ?
I'd rather they share my position on issues.
In the unlikely event that all other things are equal.
Would you rather vote for a canadate that shared your heritage ?
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<<Where i draw the line is when that same identity is used as a wedge. >>
What do you see as the most obvious examples of identity being used as a wedge?
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Would you rather vote for a canadate that shared your heritage ?
Not avoiding your question, Plane.
But if it helps i would vote for Herman Cain before i voted for Roy Barnes.
See I'm hiring someone to represent me, and if they came to my beliefs via a different route, that really doesn't matter to me.
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Would you rather vote for a canadate that shared your heritage ?
Not avoiding your question, Plane.
But if it helps i would vote for Herman Cain before i voted for Roy Barnes.
See I'm hiring someone to represent me, and if they came to my beliefs via a different route, that really doesn't matter to me.
You could call my question improper if you wanted , in the asking I was eliminateing all of the decent choices.