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domer:
The Administration has gone through a parade of justifications for the Iraq War. It started with WMD, progressed through many changes to "a beacon of democracy in a hostile region," and, after further permutations, to "it's better to fight them there than here." This last justification is cruel and jingoistic.

Superficially supporting the war effort NOW as the critical battle in the overall War on Terror (a circumstance which the Adminstration itself has made necessary, conceding criticality for the sake of argument), no one seems to give a voice to, or a care in the world about, the 50,000 or so dead Iraqis, or thereabouts, and their nearly countless maimed comrades.

Plane:

--- Quote from: domer on October 05, 2006, 02:47:50 PM ---The Administration has gone through a parade of justifications for the Iraq War. It started with WMD, progressed through many changes to "a beacon of democracy in a hostile region," and, after further permutations, to "it's better to fight them there than here." This last justification is cruel and jingoistic.

Superficially supporting the war effort NOW as the critical battle in the overall War on Terror (a circumstance which the Adminstration itself has made necessary, conceding criticality for the sake of argument), no one seems to give a voice to, or a care in the world about, the 50,000 or so dead Iraqis, or thereabouts, and their nearly countless maimed comrades.



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Which of these justifacations is actually true?
WMD probly not ,I was surprised but I can stand being wrong, but the rest of these justifacations are disalowed why?

domer:
I'm not clairvoyant, Plane, but virtually all indications now point to a failure of Iraqi democracy, at least in any seriously functional sense. And -- my major point -- the justification du jour depends on the transfer of an onus to people who have no voice in the matter, a naked exercise of the arrogance of power. In saying this I do not concede that the war would reach our shores in any significant way. We have, or we should have (but how about port security?), defenses to that.

Plane:
Do you remember that President Bush described this period as "just a comma" , he was referring to the age of the Iriqui government .


The Iriqui government is in firm controll of a lot of its territory, if not enough the trend is still good.

  The Iriqui government is more democratic than ours was when it was seventy five years old .


What is the reason for demanding terriffic results yesterday?

A good trend and good goals is beter than announceing an arrival because there is no end to improvement .

I think that the milestone of self suffeciency can be reqached when Iraq does not need us to prop it up anymore , could be soon.


After all ,when we invade Sudan for its oil (or to rescue its opressed ) Al Queda martyers will all go there and leave the Iriquis alone.

Michael Tee:
<< . . . no one seems to give a voice to, or a care in the world about, the 50,000 or so dead Iraqis, or thereabouts, and their nearly countless maimed comrades.>>

It's hilarious that you're even drawn to belabour the painfully obvious, domer.  They don't even give a shit about the 2,700 Americans killed and the thousands more maimed for life.  Maybe if they were fetuses, or even zygotes . . .

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