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Castle doctrine
« on: January 02, 2016, 08:16:17 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine


Looks like only a few states actually require a duty to retreat, especially not from ones home.

But this is variable in strength from state to state.

This article includes a chart of the particulars of each state.


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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2016, 09:41:01 PM »
Odds are that no jury would vote to give any jail time to anyone whose home was invaded.
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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2016, 10:41:09 PM »
Juries are very human, there is an element of court control, an element of community mores and an element of potluck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ

I would rather have a right than depend on my charm on twelve non randomly chosen people.

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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2016, 01:44:32 PM »
The jury process is nothing I will defend, after having participated in it.

But no jury would likely give jail time to someone who shot an adult home invader.

If you do not like it, then write your congressman.
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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2016, 07:58:56 PM »
The time I was serving on a jury was wrenching and sad.

I would not recommend it , but I haven't come up with a better idea.

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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2016, 10:26:10 AM »
In Spain, they elect nonpartisan judges with training in the law and in all aspects of evidence. They can actually go out and gather evidence. There are three judges on the panel. Spain jails far fewer people, and has a crime rate much lower than the US.

In the US, the jury selection process is horrible. Both sides try to find the most gullible people possible. What we have is ineffective and foolish. It benefits only the lawyers.
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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2016, 09:21:17 PM »
http://www.twainquotes.com/Jury.html


You might like Mark Twain's quote on the subject.

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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2016, 09:59:53 PM »
The purpose of the criminal justice system should be to reduce crime, and reform the criminals, not train them for more difficult crimes. 

\There are serious problems with every part of the Criminal Justice System in this country.
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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2016, 11:56:52 PM »
  We are probably using prisons too much because we are not using family and church enough.


   Of course we might improve prisons a lot by locking up a better sort of person.

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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2016, 12:29:14 AM »
There is no way to legislate people to "use family and church enough", whatever that means.
I remember Church for one positive thing and one negative thing.
There was a women who brought really terrific potato salad to potluck dinners.

Vacation Bible School was so horrible that I escaped the second year they sent me, and spent the days riding my Shelby Flyer all over town.
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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2016, 08:28:20 PM »
There is no way to legislate people to "use family and church enough", whatever that means.
Totally true, you have hit my point. We can't rely on legislatures as moral guides for the people .
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I remember Church for one positive thing and one negative thing.
There was a women who brought really terrific potato salad to potluck dinners.

Vacation Bible School was so horrible that I escaped the second year they sent me, and spent the days riding my Shelby Flyer all over town.

This, I might have guessed.

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Re: Castle doctrine
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2016, 01:06:01 PM »
I was precocious. I read the book, and all they wanted to do was read it to me again.
They also read it to us in Sunday School.
The same tales, over and over.

There were soda bottles to collect and be redeemed, rockets to be built, caves and creekbeds to be explored.
A hilly town is a great place for a kid and his Shelby Flyer.
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