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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #75 on: April 16, 2016, 08:17:11 PM »
This will never be an Islam dominated country and armed women will not be the reason.
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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2016, 09:26:52 PM »
Bruce Springsteen canceled his concert in Greensboro, North Carolina because of the state's new law, which he believes blocks anti-discrimination rules covering the LGBT community. A letter in response to Springsteen cancelling his concert was released by The Stream, and it perfectly explains what?s wrong with Bruce's decision.

Dear Bruce,

As a resident of North Carolina since 2003, I read with interest that you decided to cancel your April 10th concert in Greensboro because of HB2, the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act.

In your statement you explained that, in your view, the bill is "an attempt by people who cannot stand the progress our country has made in recognizing the human rights of all of our citizens to overturn that progress."

You added that it was time for you and your band "to show solidarity for those freedom fighters"
(speaking of transgender activists), and you ended your statement with these powerful words: "Some things are more important than a rock show and this fight against prejudice and bigotry" which is happening as I write, is one of them. It is the strongest means I have for raising my voice in opposition to those who continue to push us backwards instead of forwards."

I also read that your guitarist, Steven Van Zandt, has likened HB2 to an "evil virus" that is spreading through the United States in the form of similar legislation.

These are strong words, and they represent strong convictions. So, let me first commend you and your band members for putting your principles before your livelihood, even to the disappointment of your North Carolina fans. I have read that you regretted not performing at the 1985 Live Aid concert in Wembley, and perhaps this is your way of saying, "I do care and I'm here to make a difference."

Whatever your motivation, I admire anyone who puts morality before money. My question to you and your band is simply this: In boycotting North Carolina and siding against HB2, did you really side with morality? Are you truly standing with "freedom fighters"?

I'm assuming you read HB2 for yourself and you're not just listening to media reports attacking the bill or, worse still, getting your talking points from biased lobbyist groups like the Human Rights Campaign. (If you're not really familiar with the bill, then click here and here and here.)

So, please allow me to ask you some questions.

First, how do you know if someone is really "transgender" or not? Is it determined entirely by how they feel about themselves? If so, do you think that it might be hard to make laws based entirely on how people feel? Did you ever stop to consider that?

Second, what's the difference between someone with "gender dysphoria" (or, as it used to be called, gender identity disorder) and someone, say, with schizophrenia or "multiple personality disorder" or some other psychological condition? In other words, if a man is a biological and chromosomal male but believes he is a woman, is he actually a woman, or does he have a psychological disorder?

If he does have a psychological disorder, should we try to treat that disorder or should we celebrate that disorder? And is it right to call biological males who feel they are women and biological women who feel they are men "freedom fighters" Perhaps that's not the best use of the term?

If you are deeply offended that I would dare suggest that many transgender individuals are dealing with a psychological disorder, could you kindly point me to the definitive scientific literature that explains that these biological males are actually females and these biological females are actually males?

I?m not saying they don?t deserve compassion. To the contrary, I'm saying that's exactly what they deserve: compassion, not celebration.

But perhaps I'm being too abstract here, so let's get really practical. Let's say that a 6' 4 male who used to play professional football and who has secretly agonized over his gender identity for years finally determines that he must be true to himself and live as a woman.

Do you think it might be traumatic for a little girl using the library bathroom to see this big man walk into her room wearing a dress and a wig? Should we take her feelings into account, or is she not important? What if that was your granddaughter? Would you care if she was traumatized? And when you speak of the human rights of all of our citizens? does that include little girls like this?

I understand that this gentleman will have difficulties should he decide to dress and live as a woman, but that is still a choice he is making, and it is not fair to impose his struggles on innocent little children, is it?

And what if this same man, whom we'll assume is not a sexual predator, wants to share the YMCA locker room with your wife and daughter, standing there in his underwear as they come out of the shower stalls wrapped in towels. Is this fair to them?

Let?s take this one step further. If any man who claims to be a woman can use women's bathrooms and locker rooms, then how do we keep the sexual predators out? I?ve asked people to watch this short video, giving examples of male heterosexual predators who donned women's clothing to get into the ladies? rooms, and I'd encourage you to watch it too. Without HB2, rapists and voyeurs and pedophiles would have free access to our women and daughters in the safety of their own bathrooms and locker rooms.

Since you don't like HB2, indeed, your guitarist called it an "evil virus" what's your plan to keep the predators out? How can we tell the difference between a "genuine" transgender person and a sexual predator? Since everyone knows you as "The Boss," what would you do to keep the ladies and children safe?

And one final question.

When you booked the concert in Greenboro, the laws in North Carolina were just as they are today: In public facilities, people had to use the bathrooms and locker rooms that corresponded to their biological sex. Why, then, did you agree to come in the first place? Why cancel the concert when things today are just what they were six months ago?

Again, I appreciate your sincerity, but I question your judgment. In your zeal to do what is right, you have actually done what is wrong.


(Via The Stream)
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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2016, 11:42:05 PM »
  Dear Bruce Springsteen
   And band
   And entourage.

    In response to your refusal of service to North Carolina , don't try to skip out on your Atlanta gig this is no longer legal in Georgia.

     You best show up here on schedule with a song in your heart.

        Refusing to serve in Georgia will result in a state backed suit that will relieve you of your money and equipment reeeel quick.
        I know we almost had a law that would have prevented such a suit , but I vetoed it, so ,THERE ....Boss!

       Also you are hereby under a gag order , such that you may not discuss the suit with the public or press.

     So looking forward to your music concert , be there or be sued .

      Have a Blessed Day
       Georgia Governor
        Nathan Deal

https://gov.georgia.gov/

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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2016, 06:53:22 AM »
We are the party of freedom and small government and if you do not sing and dance for our amusement, we will sue you.
But Georgia did not succeed in passing its anti-gay law.

Assuming there is anything real in any part of this this government bullying, how does any of this make sense?
Boycotting North Carolina is the right of any performer, in the long run. They can simply refuse to agree to concerts in NC.
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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2016, 03:48:04 PM »
We are the party of freedom and small government and if you do not sing and dance for our amusement, we will sue you.
But Georgia did not succeed in passing its anti-gay law.

Assuming there is anything real in any part of this this government bullying, how does any of this make sense?
Boycotting North Carolina is the right of any performer, in the long run. They can simply refuse to agree to concerts in NC.

No the right to serve or not serve at will is lost now.

Why do you want Bruce Springsteen to be an exception?

If he refuses service , the suit should automatically happen, and he will sing or loose his operation.

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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2016, 04:07:57 PM »
BINGO
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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2016, 06:56:35 PM »

But Georgia did not succeed in passing its anti-gay law.



Why do you want to call it an anti gay law?

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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2016, 07:21:32 PM »
its all about phrasing the argument....it's a not an unborn child, its a "fetus".  It's not about common sense decency, morals, or even religious freedom, its "anti-gay"
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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2016, 09:28:39 PM »

Boycotting North Carolina is the right of any performer, in the long run. They can simply refuse to agree to concerts in NC.

Why must we draw a line between who must have the freedom to refuse and those who do not have the freedom to refuse?

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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2016, 09:29:22 PM »
This will never be an Islam dominated country and armed women will not be the reason.

There is a particular reason?

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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2016, 09:34:09 PM »
its all about phrasing the argument....it's a not an unborn child, its a "fetus".  It's not about common sense decency, morals, or even religious freedom, its "anti-gay"

    George Orwell was very concerned with this , in "Nineteen Eighty Four" he exaggerated the ordinary weasel words of politicians into government policy , such that the governments power to define the meanings of words made it a crime to call a thing what it really was.

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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #86 on: April 17, 2016, 09:43:13 PM »
Americans are not ever going to be that religious as top convert to Islam.

American women are too independent to submit to Islam. Arab women do, but this is done by marrying them off in their teens to men as old as their fathers.
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« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2016, 10:18:34 PM »
Actually before 911 islam was the fastest growing religion in the united states. Islam has many attractive aspect for men and women . Remember queen noor is an educated American woman who volunteered to be muslim . But post 911 is another matter which confound alot of my very devote muslim friends.

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« Reply #88 on: April 18, 2016, 01:10:25 AM »
. Islam has many attractive aspect for men and women .

It does?  It is like fundamentalist Christianity, but with more demands and uglier clothes.

I cannot think of any advantage to Islam at all. If I had been born into Islam, I would have dropped it long,long ago.

People have a right to do really sucky, stupid things, and becoming a Muslim is among the worst.
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Re: Campus Lunacy
« Reply #89 on: April 18, 2016, 02:20:46 AM »
Well I find muslims today very similar to christain of centuries past. The behavior,cloths even the food restrictions.