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Lanya

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When will we recognize our country again?
« on: December 31, 2007, 03:50:44 PM »
Editorial
Looking at America

   
Published: December 31, 2007

There are too many moments these days when we cannot recognize our country. Sunday was one of them, as we read the account in The Times of how men in some of the most trusted posts in the nation plotted to cover up the torture of prisoners by Central Intelligence Agency interrogators by destroying videotapes of their sickening behavior. It was impossible to see the founding principles of the greatest democracy in the contempt these men and their bosses showed for the Constitution, the rule of law and human decency.

  It was not the first time in recent years we?ve felt this horror, this sorrowful sense of estrangement, not nearly. This sort of lawless behavior has become standard practice since Sept. 11, 2001.

The country and much of the world was rightly and profoundly frightened by the single-minded hatred and ingenuity displayed by this new enemy. But there is no excuse for how President Bush and his advisers panicked ? how they forgot that it is their responsibility to protect American lives and American ideals, that there really is no safety for Americans or their country when those ideals are sacrificed.

Out of panic and ideology, President Bush squandered America?s position of moral and political leadership, swept aside international institutions and treaties, sullied America?s global image, and trampled on the constitutional pillars that have supported our democracy through the most terrifying and challenging times. These policies have fed the world?s anger and alienation and have not made any of us safer.

In the years since 9/11, we have seen American soldiers abuse, sexually humiliate, torment and murder prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq. A few have been punished, but their leaders have never been called to account. We have seen mercenaries gun down Iraqi civilians with no fear of prosecution. We have seen the president, sworn to defend the Constitution, turn his powers on his own citizens, authorizing the intelligence agencies to spy on Americans, wiretapping phones and intercepting international e-mail messages without a warrant.

We have read accounts of how the government?s top lawyers huddled in secret after the attacks in New York and Washington and plotted ways to circumvent the Geneva Conventions ? and both American and international law ? to hold anyone the president chose indefinitely without charges or judicial review.

Those same lawyers then twisted other laws beyond recognition to allow Mr. Bush to turn intelligence agents into torturers, to force doctors to abdicate their professional oaths and responsibilities to prepare prisoners for abuse, and then to monitor the torment to make sure it didn?t go just a bit too far and actually kill them.

The White House used the fear of terrorism and the sense of national unity to ram laws through Congress that gave law-enforcement agencies far more power than they truly needed to respond to the threat ? and at the same time fulfilled the imperial fantasies of Vice President Dick Cheney and others determined to use the tragedy of 9/11 to arrogate as much power as they could.

Hundreds of men, swept up on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, were thrown into a prison in Guant?namo Bay, Cuba, so that the White House could claim they were beyond the reach of American laws. Prisoners are held there with no hope of real justice, only the chance to face a kangaroo court where evidence and the names of their accusers are kept secret, and where they are not permitted to talk about the abuse they have suffered at the hands of American jailers.

In other foreign lands, the C.I.A. set up secret jails where ?high-value detainees? were subjected to ever more barbaric acts, including simulated drowning. These crimes were videotaped, so that ?experts? could watch them, and then the videotapes were destroyed, after consultation with the White House, in the hope that Americans would never know.

The C.I.A. contracted out its inhumanity to nations with no respect for life or law, sending prisoners ? some of them innocents kidnapped on street corners and in airports ? to be tortured into making false confessions, or until it was clear they had nothing to say and so were let go without any apology or hope of redress.

These are not the only shocking abuses of President Bush?s two terms in office, made in the name of fighting terrorism. There is much more ? so much that the next president will have a full agenda simply discovering all the wrongs that have been done and then righting them.

We can only hope that this time, unlike 2004, American voters will have the wisdom to grant the awesome powers of the presidency to someone who has the integrity, principle and decency to use them honorably. Then when we look in the mirror as a nation, we will see, once again, the reflection of the United States of America.

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Michael Tee

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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2007, 11:20:07 PM »
Just takes your breath away.  My God.

I'm wondering whether editorials like this appeared in the last days of the Weimar Republic.  They must have.  Like King Canute struggling to hold back the tide.

No, you can't recognize your country now.  It's a different place altogether.  Always will be, now.

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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2007, 11:26:46 PM »
Is it a different country, or is government more transparent?


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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2007, 11:44:43 PM »
Is it a different country, or is government more transparent?

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There is nothing transparent about Juniorbush's government. It has been decades since we have had anything more secretive running the show.

It is the same country, but run by venal, ignorant jerks.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2007, 11:53:47 PM »
The reason i ask is because we are just now learning of some of the proposals coming from Hoover during Truman's Admin.

Why do you think that is?

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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2008, 12:36:15 AM »
The reason i ask is because we are just now learning of some of the proposals coming from Hoover during Truman's Admin.

Why do you think that is?
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I dunno. Perhaps no one gave a crap about any of Hoover's ideas during the Truman years. By then, Hoover was dead meat.
Like Reagan would be today, if he were not deceased. Or better yet, Jimmy Carter

Hoover was president from 1928-1932. Truman was president from 1945-1952. They despised each other, by the way.
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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2008, 12:38:27 AM »
Was referring to J Edgar Hoover and his plan to round up thousands of protesters during the Korean Conflict which Truman approved.


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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2008, 12:51:56 AM »
If Hoover and Truman approved, why was the plan never instituted?

In answer to your earlier question, I'd say there have been increases in transparency which account for some of the abuses being seen, but the real threat to democracy is due to real changes in the country such as concentration of the media, well-funded special interests (most notably the Zionist lobby,) sustained right-wing propaganda, a vastly weakened labour movement, targeted assassinations and killings (JFK, MLK, RFK, Kent State and others), the decline of public education, etc.   The transparency is being rolled back even as we speak - - tapes are destroyed, hundreds of billions are spent on covert operations which have virtually replaced foreign policy, wars are initiated by Presidential fiat with a cowardly Congress rubber-stamping the thing in advance . . .  "Transparency" seems like a pretty elastic concept - - the abuses of Abu Ghraib weren't revealed by Governmental "transparency" it was the stupidity of the soldiers involved in making screen savers out of their tortures and the determination of reporters like Sy Hersh combined to put this in front of the public, and still today 90% of the Abu Ghraib tapes and pictures have NOT been released to the public.

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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2008, 12:55:57 AM »
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the abuses of Abu Ghraib weren't revealed by Governmental "transparency" it was the stupidity of the soldiers involved in making screen savers out of their tortures

My point exactly. There are more avenues of discovery now.


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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2008, 02:38:45 AM »
If Hoover and Truman approved, why was the plan never instituted?

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Oh. that Hoover.

I doubt that Truman approved of this.
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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2008, 02:45:59 AM »
Previously declassified documents show that the F.B.I.?s ?security index? of suspect Americans predated the cold war. In March 1946, Hoover sought the authority to detain Americans ?who might be dangerous? if the United States went to war. In August 1948, Attorney General Tom Clark gave the F.B.I. the power to make a master list of such people.

Hoover?s July 1950 letter was addressed to Sidney W. Souers, who had served as the first director of central intelligence and was then a special national-security assistant to Truman. The plan also was sent to the executive secretary of the National Security Council, whose members were the president, the secretary of defense, the secretary of state and the military chiefs.

In September 1950, Congress passed and the president signed a law authorizing the detention of ?dangerous radicals? if the president declared a national emergency. Truman did declare such an emergency in December 1950, after China entered the Korean War. But no known evidence suggests he or any other president approved any part of Hoover?s proposal.

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Re: When will we recognize our country again?
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2008, 08:01:02 AM »
<<My point exactly. There are more avenues of discovery now. >>

More avenues of discovery for sure.  But more shit going down that needs to be discovered.  More media indifference to the discoveries, due in large part to media concentration in corporate hands.  More voter cynicism regarding them.  Not a healthy situation.