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Free or Fair?
« on: December 29, 2010, 05:50:09 PM »
Here's another excellent op-ed to salivate the neurons
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At first blush, the mercantilists' call for "free trade but fair trade" sounds reasonable. After all, who can be against fairness? Giving the idea just a bit of thought suggests that fairness as a guide for public policy lays the groundwork for tyranny. You say, "Williams, I've never heard anything so farfetched! Explain yourself."

Think about the First Amendment to our Constitution that reads: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

How many of us would prefer that the Founders had written the First Amendment so as to focus on fairness rather than freedom and instead wrote: Congress shall make no unfair laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the fair exercise thereof; or abridging the fairness of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people to peaceably assemble in a fair fashion, and to fairly petition the Government for a redress of grievances?

How supportive would you be to a person who argued that he was for free religion but fair religion, or he was for free speech but fair speech? Would you be supportive of government efforts to limit unfair religion and unfair speech? How might life look under a regime of fairness of religion, speech and the press?

Suppose a newspaper published a statement like "President Obama might easily end his term alongside Jimmy Carter as one of America's worse presidents." Some people might consider that fair speech while other people denounce it as unfair speech. What to do? A tribunal would have to be formed to decide on the fairness or unfairness of the statement. It goes without saying that the political makeup of the tribunal would be a matter of controversy. Once such a tribunal was set up, how much generalized agreement would there be on what it decreed? And, if deemed unfair speech, what should the penalties be?

The bottom line is that what's fair or unfair is an elusive concept and the same applies to trade. Last summer, I purchased a 2010 LS 460 Lexus, through a U.S. intermediary, from a Japanese producer for $70,000. Here's my question to you: Was that a fair or unfair trade? I was free to keep my $70,000 or purchase the car. The Japanese producer was free to keep his Lexus or sell me the car. As it turned out, I gave up my $70,000 and took possession of the car, and the Japanese producer gave up possession of the car and took possession of my money. The exchange occurred because I saw myself as being better off and so did the Japanese producer. I think it was both free and fair trade, and I'd like an American mercantilist to explain to me how it wasn't.

Mercantilists have absolutely no argument when we recognize that trade is mostly between individuals. Mercantilists pretend that trade occurs between nations such as U.S. trading with England or Japan to appeal to our jingoism. First, does the U.S. trade with Japan and England? In other words, is it members of the U.S. Congress trading with their counterparts in the Japanese Diet or the English Parliament? That's nonsense. Trade occurs between individuals in one country, through intermediaries, with individuals in another country.

Who might protest that my trade with the Lexus manufacturer was unfair? If you said an American car manufacturer and their union workers, go to the head of the class. They would like Congress to restrict foreign trade so that they can sell their cars at a pleasing price and their workers earn a pleasing wage. As a matter of fact, it's never American consumers who complain about cheaper prices. It's always American producers and their unions who do the complaining.

That ought to tell us something.


Free or "Fair".  And who gets to decide what "fair" means?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Free or Fair?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2010, 06:44:08 PM »
>>Trade occurs between individuals in one country, through intermediaries, with individuals in another country.<<


Well, yes, and no. While the trade itself may occur between individuals there is also something called the balance of trade. The balance of trade can effect a nation and therefore the individuals within it. So, no man is an island.

On the example used, a Lexus LS 460, congratulations to the author. He got himself one hell of a car fair or unfair.

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Re: Free or Fair?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2010, 06:51:13 PM »
Point being that you're again making Williams' point...the idea that "balance" or "fairness" must be adhered to.  Why?  Does America need a Trade version of Affirmative Action?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2010, 10:43:31 PM »
Try economics 101. Pay close attention when they get to trade deficits and so forth. They have to do with the health of an economy. They don't have anything in common with affirmative action or fair and unfair.

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Re: Free or Fair?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2010, 01:15:16 AM »
Try Constitution 101
or, there's Freedom 101
or better yet, Capitalism 101

Your defense of balance, and apparent criticism of free trade is bedrock to Affirmative Action
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Free or Fair?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2010, 01:26:05 AM »
Try economics 101. Pay close attention when they get to trade deficits and so forth. They have to do with the health of an economy. They don't have anything in common with affirmative action or fair and unfair.

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Should the decisions be made in government or by producers and consumors? Centraliseing the responsibility and planning function seems to have been a proven bad idea in recent decades, decentraliseing the decisions the maximum amount allows each produceer and each consumor to cope to the details of his own recorces and needs.

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Re: Free or Fair?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2010, 10:27:04 AM »
Look, first of all I'm a free trader. Secondly, balance of trade has nothing what so ever to do with stopping free trade to protect people like the American auto workers. For example, buying a Jap car isn't good for the balance of trade with Japan. Or it didn't use to be. But, that doesn't mean you should only buy American. You can buy a German car, or a Frog car, or a used Jap car. If you buy a used Jap car the money stays here. If you buy a Frog car it doesn't matter because we don't have a balance of trade problem with France. We have, or did have, a serious balance of trade problem with Japan. I might add, that never stopped me from buying Japanese. But I was fully aware of the fact that regarding our balance of trade deficit with Japan I probably shouldn't have.

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Re: Free or Fair?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 12:02:48 PM »
No one said you should only buy American, point is, you should have the freedom to buy what you want, from whom you want, so long as it's legal.  "Fairness" or "balance" be damned.  That's what this country is all about.  If you want to embrace patriotism in every form, then by all means, buy American.  If you think its unfair for Japan to sell more cars than America, then again, by all means, buy American.  That again is what the United States is all about...the choice, the freedom.  Commonly referred to as America 101
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Re: Free or Fair?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2010, 09:41:27 PM »
Really free trade will automaticly be fair trade.

Where the cars are economicly well made is where the cars should be made , every push or pull away from the best economic decision for the sake of politics is a move away from fairness.

I don't feel as if I have a right to your car buying dollar, even though you are my countryman, I shouldn't make you by my car inspite of its quality and price, I should offer you a good car that you would be smart to buy and not insult your patriotism instead of making my car better.