Remember discussion of forign policy before the election?

[Plane]

  Gerrymandering is an institutional unfairness, that the institution uses gleefully.

   And getting to choose who was qualified to join the institution and who was not is an incestuous insidious institutional advantage.

     The institution must crave it.

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is the cause of the current uselessness of Congress.

[Plane]

  Do you imagine that giving that institution greater control of its new membership would improve its usefulness?

[Xavier_Onassis]

We need to elect more honest congresspeople and reform the system thoroughly.

[Plane]

  By adding control of information to control of districting?

   How are they going to resist using control to favor party?


     Lets not turn campaigning over to the same people that do the gerrymandering.

[Xavier_Onassis]

There should be a nonpartisan commission to apportion districts equitably.  We have the power to make this a really great modern nation. We just cannot do it if we electe assholes who believe that "Government is the problem".

Because that is a CROCK OF SHIT.

Government is the solution.

[Plane]

There should be a nonpartisan commission to apportion districts equitably.  We have the power to make this a really great modern nation. We just cannot do it if we electe assholes who believe that "Government is the problem".

Because that is a CROCK OF SHIT.

Government is the solution.

How is this different from saying gerrymandering is the solution?

The government as it is looks after its own interest, it always wants a lot of continuity even if the people would benefit from some changes.

So they use the power of the government to improve the advantages of incumbency, this describes gerrymandering , it would also describe the use of any other increase power over elections that might be given to the government.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Gerrymandering is not done for the benefit of the citizens. On the contrary, making most districts into places where the incumbent cannot lose promotes apathy among the citizens and corruption among the officeholders. Government has worked far better in much of Western Europe than it has in the US in terms of providing :the greatest good for the greatest number", as Philosopher Jeremy Bentham  put it.

[Plane]

Gerrymandering is not done for the benefit of the citizens.

Of course it is not, it is done to benefit incumbency.
It is government power used as government wills.

Why would you think the government would do anything different with any greater power over the process?

   For Most of human history the predominant focus of the government has been itself, a leavening of democracy makes it listen to the people .

Usually a good thing.

I can't favor any measures that improve incumbency , the advantage is already strong enough to hinder the operation of democracy.