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Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« on: September 06, 2012, 08:17:17 AM »
Turkish officers take command of Syrian rebel brigades. N. Israel on alert

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

September 6, 2012, 10:59 AM (GMT+02:00)


Syrian rebels under Turkish command

Turkish army officers have assumed direct command of the first two Syrian rebel brigades fighting Bashar Assad?s government forces, according to debkafile?s exclusive sources. This step has sent military tensions rocketing on Israel?s northern borders with Syria and Lebanon in case of a backlash.

The rebel North Liberators Brigade in the Idlib region of northern Syria and the Tawhid Brigade fighting in the Al-Bab area northeast of Aleppo are now taking their operational orders from Turkish officers, who exercise their authority from headquarters outside Syria in the southeastern Turkish city of Gaziantep. Nonetheless, Turkey is considered to have stepped directly into the Syrian conflict marking the onset of foreign intervention.

Western and Arab military circles in the Middle East expect Turkey to extend its command to additional rebel units ? not all of them part of the Free Syrian Army.

This first step has already caused waves.

1.  The consequences of Turkish military action in Syria were urgently aired with CIA Director David Petraeus when he arrived in Ankara Monday, Sept. 3, debkafile?s intelligence sources reveal.  After hearing how and when Ankara proposed to expand its role in the Syrian conflict, Petraeus discussed with Turkish military and intelligence chiefs the likely Syrian, Iranian and Hizballah responses.
He then flew to Israel to continue the discussion there.

2. By then, US, Turkish and Israeli intelligence watchers were reporting unusual military movements in Syria and on Hizballah turf in southern Lebanon ? suspected of being preparations for a blowback from the Turkish intervention in Syria.

3. The IDF countered by placing its units guarding the Syrian and Lebanese borders on a state of alert. Wednesday, Sept. 5, an Iron Dome battery was installed in Gush Dan to head off a potential Hizballah missile barrage on central Israel and its hub, Tel Aviv.

4. Later that day, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan commented: "The regime in Syria has now become a terrorist state."

Only a few of Erdogan's listeners understood he was laying international legal grounding for expanding Turkish military intervention in Syria.

debkafile's military sources report that Thursday, Sept. 6, military temperatures remained high-to-feverish along Syria's borders with Turkey and Israel, and along Lebanon's borders with Syria and Israel.

http://www.debka.com/article/22336/Turkish-officers-take-command-of-Syrian-rebel-brigades-N-Israel-on-alert
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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2012, 12:57:05 PM »
Turkey may not need much help, they are fairly strong and Syria's strength is compromised .


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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 03:40:17 PM »
Turkey is the best ally of the Syrian rebels, and of course, Turkey has a bigger stake in the area than any other possible ally.
Life would be easier if Syria were more like Turkey. Turkey is a non-sectarian Muslim state and far more prosperous than any of the countries in the area that do not have oil-based economies.
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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 04:50:50 PM »
Turkey is also a very good friend of the US.

By this I do not mean that they take our orders or agree with us all the time.

They are more like France , apt to give us real criticism and require persuasion before co-operation happens.

But when it comes to a fight , they are good to have on the side.

I am not sure they will request help , they might rather acheive sole controll of the next process.

But if they do , we should seriously consider providing help, what it would cost might be less than what a failure of the process would cost.

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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 07:06:52 PM »
The US can provide all manner of logistical help: satellite information, spy drones, viruses to infect Syrian intelligence. I imagine that we also would supply ammunition and other weaponry.
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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 08:06:57 PM »
Logistical help is practicly a given.

Will we be asked for personell?

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 10:54:41 PM »
I hope not. US troops should not be deployed in Syria except as a last resort.

The US is not threatened by Syria.
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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2012, 07:16:34 PM »
   Does the US ignore problems that are not a direct threat?

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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2012, 10:44:40 PM »
Does the US ignore problems that are not a direct threat?

They didn't in Libya!
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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2012, 01:24:11 AM »
Note that we sent no troops to Libya.

Neither should we send any to Syria.

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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2012, 10:51:05 AM »
The US can provide all manner of logistical help: satellite information, spy drones, viruses to infect Syrian intelligence.
I imagine that we also would supply ammunition and other weaponry.

Chemical threat is back. Hizballah, Israel close to clash

DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis

September 8, 2012, 12:16 PM (GMT+02:00)

The first US-Turkish backed steps for creating safe havens in Syria and possible strategic bombardment of the Syrian army have brought the Middle East close to two dangerous junctures: The Syrian army's use of chemical weapons, and an outbreak of hostilities between Hizballah and Israel, debkafile?s military sources report.  The creeping Western involvement in the Syrian conflict was not previously acknowledged and the Lebanese Shiite Hizballah rarely figured publicly as a fighting prop of the Assad regime.

That is until the dam burst Friday and Saturday, Sept 7-8.

The United States then admitted that US officials and intelligence agents were training and aiding Syrian rebels from positions on the Turkish border and therefore directly intervening in their operations.

This admission came on the heels of the debkafile disclosure of Sept. 6 that Turkish officers backed by US agents had taken command of two Syrian rebel brigades.

Britain and France came next to report they were sending aid directly to the Syrian opposition, a more cautious admission than the American reference to officials and agents, but clearly on the same track, which adds up to their direct intervention in Syria for the creation of safe havens.

French and British foreign ministers attending a European Union meeting in Cyprus called Friday night for sanctions against Hizballah, meaning that mounting Western pressure on Assad has been extended to his Lebanese ally.
But the big event thus portended is still to come.

It will now be up to the Syrian rebels, backed and steered by a US-led Arab-Western-European-Turkish coalition, to fight for the safe haven, purge it of forces and militias loyal to Assad and expand it for control of large tracts of territory in eastern and western Syria.

Despite fairly large-scale defections, the bulk of the Syrian army still maintains its allegiance to the Syrian ruler and doesn't appear ready to turn against him. The rebels therefore face a long, arduous and hazardous haul before they can secure a substantial safe haven unless it can be shortened by a step now under consideration in Washington, London, Paris, Ankara and at least two Arab capitals: aerial bombardment of the Syrian army?s toughest backbone, the 9th Division commanded by the Syrian ruler's brother, Gen. Maher Assad. .The same treatment could be meted out to smash Hizballah bases and strategic centers.

The thinking in some circles in Washington is that Russia's disengagement from its support of the Assad regime and cutoff of essential weapons, have opened the way to severing the military bonds tying Assad, Hizballah and Tehran together. As long as those bonds are viable, it will be that much harder to bring Assad to heel and subjugate his armed forces.

The revelation by British military sources Friday, Sept. 7 that 150 elite officers and troops of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards had flown into Syria was intended as a warning to Tehran that the time had come to pull its hand  out of the Syrian fire.

This rush of events may bring closer to reality the action feared most by Western powers, Israel, Turkey and Jordan that, as his enemies close in, Assad will bring out his chemical weapons.

Consciousness of this approaching threat led Washington sources to disclose Friday that Syria's nuclear arsenal was bigger and more widely scattered than suspected hitherto. It was also an admission that Washington was no longer fully apprised of the scale of this arsenal or its locations.

Last week, Israeli media were too preoccupied with the likelihood of war with Iran to notice that Israel and Hizxballah had moved up to the brink of a major clash. The war alert declared by Israel?s armed forces in mid-week had only partly eased by Saturday..

 
http://www.debka.com/article/22344/Chemical-threat-is-back-Hizballah-Israel-close-to-clash-
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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2012, 05:48:42 PM »

Last week, Israeli media were too preoccupied with the likelihood of war with Iran to notice that Israel and Hizxballah had moved up to the brink of a major clash. The war alert declared by Israel?s armed forces in mid-week had only partly eased by Saturday..
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OOOOh! The Israelis were so worried about Iran that they did not notice somet5hing Iran was doing?

Debkafiles sucks, really it does.

Where is the "brink of a major clash"?
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Re: Turkey (NATO Member) enters Syrian Civil War in bigger way!
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2012, 06:55:31 PM »
Chemical threat is back. Hizballah, Israel close to clash
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The United States then admitted that US officials and intelligence agents were training and aiding Syrian rebels from positions on the Turkish border and therefore directly intervening in their operations.
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I may wind up liking Obama a little after all.