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Our Stalingrad Moment
« on: January 27, 2011, 10:19:34 PM »
Our Stalingrad Moment
James Poulos, Ed. ? Jan. 26 at 8:48am

More than anything, I was struck last night by the generational aspect of the President's address. Sorry, young people: galvanizing the under-30 set makes great campaign material, but now it's all about helping the aged. You heard it in the feel-your-pain reference to the bygone era of local factory jobs. You heard it in the human-interest stories of heroically repurposed near-retirement-age businessfolk. Above all, you heard it in the surrealistically repurposed Sputnik Moment, which became in Obama's hands a way to get older Americans to imagine that the reliable, stable world of their past was actually a cavalcade of personal reinvention and societal reeducation.

Young Americans? To the extent that we heard anything, we heard that our future is cut and dried: science and math education, because that's what they do in China; a career as a scientist, an engineer, or a science and math teacher, because in South Korea those people are celebrated as "nation builders;" a lifetime of work spent in an economy propped up by spending, subsidies, and a perpetual partnership between big government and big business.

Cheer up, kids. You're the ones you've been waiting for. Remember?

Which generation's Sputnik moment is this, again? If we're fated to work with metaphors from the middle of the twentieth century, let's at least choose one that resonates with people who are coming of age in the twenty-first.

Say, perhaps, the Hitler Finds Out metaphor. From the vantage of the young, for the President -- and, indeed, virtually the entire leadership class of the United States of America -- this is their Stalingrad moment: the moment at which the vast armies they continue to maneuver around the gigantic battle map turn out to be gone, destroyed, never to return again. The bold challenges, the arbitrary and random numerical goalposts (80% more of these, 100,000 more of those) -- it all gave off the disconnected feel of denial-driven fantasy. It's not that the emperor has no clothes. It's that he has no divisions.

Young Americans already face a future defined by an inescapable reckoning. They already tend to look at our grand entitlements as phantoms, as dead entitlements walking. They already know the problem isn't that we have too few college graduates, but that we -- like Tunisia and (gasp!) China, to mention a few -- have too many for the market to absorb. And they already know that all the science and math in the world can't serve to nourish our personal and cultural convictions about the purpose and character of American life in transformed times.

When will Obama's generation reckon with that?

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Our-Stalingrad-Moment

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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2011, 11:02:37 AM »
That is pretty funny.

Have you heard the term "reaganesque" being used as a complement recently?

Seen the cover of Time magazine lately?

I think this again proves that a lot of people do not really grock Reagan , but want to wear his mantle not realiseing how poorly it fits.


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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2011, 01:59:06 PM »
Reagan was undeserving of most of the adulation that people give him.

He was just a very lucky guy throughout his life. He was none to bright and had a really nasty mean streak, which showed itself when he mentioned that the food that the SLA ordered the Hearsts to donate to the poor should have been infected with botulism.

The recipients of that food were not the SLA and were innocent of being anything other than needy and hungry. 
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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2011, 02:26:25 PM »
I think the larger point of the Stalingrad moment post was begging the question of whether we are leaving the nation in better or worse shape for future generations than what we were given.

And I think the answer is worse.

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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2011, 03:36:43 PM »
FAR worse, IMHO
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2011, 12:18:00 PM »
Reagan was undeserving of most of the adulation that people give him.


You couold be right if you reversed that.

Reagan was brilliant , and did not deserve most of the criticism that he totally ignored.

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2011, 07:30:06 PM »
He was ignorant, and excelled only at giving speeches, generally written by someone else.

Without his notes he was usually oblivious to whatever issue he was asked about.

A genius he was not.
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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2011, 09:32:07 PM »
He was ignorant, and excelled only at giving speeches, generally written by someone else.

Without his notes he was usually oblivious to whatever issue he was asked about.

A genius he was not.
 

I take this as a measure of your naivete.

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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2011, 12:38:02 AM »
 8)
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2011, 12:43:13 PM »







   Does this strike anyone elese as quite weird?

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2011, 01:01:44 PM »
Reagan was intellectual an empty suit and only did what they wrote into his script each day, but had a great image. One thing Americans excel at is advertising. To make the lesser appear the greater cause. Obama is extremely logical in his thinking, and needs some sort of emotional image, which is pretty much all Reagan was.
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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2011, 02:39:15 PM »
Reagan was intellectual an empty suit and only did what they wrote into his script each day, but had a great image. One thing Americans excel at is advertising. To make the lesser appear the greater cause. Obama is extremely logical in his thinking, and needs some sort of emotional image, which is pretty much all Reagan was.

That is a good try!

But there is zero evidence for any of it.

Between these two, which one depends more on teleprompter?

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2011, 03:08:16 PM »
Reagan used index cards. Teleprompters are a lot better now than they were in Reagan's time.

Reagan was an actor for 50 years before he was president. memorizing lines is a very large part of what actors do.

Besides, the worst thing about Reagan was not his ability to give good speeches: that was what he did BEST.
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Re: Our Stalingrad Moment
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2011, 04:26:09 PM »
Reagan used index cards. Teleprompters are a lot better now than they were in Reagan's time.

Reagan was an actor for 50 years before he was president. memorizing lines is a very large part of what actors do.

Besides, the worst thing about Reagan was not his ability to give good speeches: that was what he did BEST.


Reagan was firm in his philosophy, participated in writing his speeches and will very certainly be remembered as one of our greatest leaders.

Obamas staff is goofing up in jxtaposeing Obama and Reagan , Obama looks like a feather in the wind in comparison to an anvil.

In case you missed the point of that snark, Obama wishes he was Reagan.