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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on September 21, 2014, 11:12:13 AM
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The oligarchy that controls Obama/McCain created the ISIS:
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Somehow, there are photos showing that McCain had something to do with this. Now show us photos that prove Obama had a part in it.
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Obama has been delivering weaponry and other lethal equipment to the Syrian rebels overtly for quite some time, and probably covertly for even longer. Supplying the rebels trying to overthrow Assad with weaponry and other aid has greatly helped the ISIS become what they are today. Obama and McCain work for the same mafia bosses a.k.a the oligarchy.
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That does not sound like proof to me.
There is no proof that they are arming anyone in Syria.
There is no proof that ISIS is getting the arms if they are.
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There is no proof that they are arming anyone in Syria.
Since your above statement is false...would you like to make another?
2013:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/12/politics/syria-arming-rebels/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-cia-delivering-arms-to-syria-rebels/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-is-leading-massive-arms-deliveries-to-rebels-in-syria-saudi-arabia-training-terrorists/5357531
2014
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/04/23/306233248/cia-is-quietly-ramping-up-aid-to-syrian-rebels-sources-say
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The US has not officially announced that it is arming Syrians.
And the photo proving that McCain is buddies with ISL does not prove that the President is also involved.
Of course, it also needs to be proven that the Arabs in the photo are affiliated with ISL.
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The US has not officially announced that it is arming Syrians.
Obama has asked for and the US Congress has authorized the training and arming of so-called moderate Syrian rebels.
You can remain in denial, but it is official.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/who-are-syrian-rebels-u-s-wants-arm-train-n207391
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Here is a NY TIMES article than ran over the weekend about the issue.
"It is obvious to everyone that the Islamic State is a creation of the United States and Israel"
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world/middleeast/suspicions-run-deep-in-iraq-that-cia-and-the-islamic-state-are-united.html?_r=0
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I really, really doubt that Israel created ISL.
What I said was that at the moment that I wrote it the USwas not officially arming anyone in Syria.
I see they are PLANNING to do this NOW, which is not the same thing.
Then and now, officially and clandestinely Different things,
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OMG you are being ridiculous.....
save the "define is" crap would you
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html
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Okay, so do YOU think that Israel and the US created ISL?
What would their motives be?
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Flypaper?
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I really doubt that.
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I also doubt it , but even if it was not planned and built as flypaper , it can be flypaper now.
Turkey is very key .
The Turkish border is a conduit for reinforcements and oil running both ways .
The Turkish government and military are not accustomed yet to co-operation with Kurdish soldiers.
If a deal is cut with the Kurds and Turks , if the Turks close their border, if the Kurds and Turks press their advantageous position and greater numbers, if the US serves as the air arm and artillery and supplier, this could be the war that breaks the Isis back and discourages repeats for a generation.
Perhaps it would not even take long, depends a lot on how completely they can be cut off.
Nothing is going to produce a happy Syria, but a happy Kurdistan allied with NATO is possible.
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There may be an independent Kurdistan arising out of what is now Iraq, but it will not include anything that is now part of Turkey.
I don't see Kurdistan as part of NATO.
Not all Kurds even speak the same language: Kurds are not as united as presented in the media.
I don't understand whay you mean by 'flypaper'.
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Xavier_Onassis
Okay, so do YOU think that Israel and the US created ISL?
What would their motives be?
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Flypaper?
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Xavier_Onassis
I really doubt that.
There may be an independent Kurdistan arising out of what is now Iraq, but it will not include anything that is now part of Turkey.
That is a good idea, Turkey should get it in writing.
I don't see Kurdistan as part of NATO.
Why not? Would they be more comfortable in the revival of the Warsaw pact that Putin seems to have in mind?Not all Kurds even speak the same language: Kurds are not as united as presented in the media.
Yes the "media" seldom fails to oversimplifyI don't understand whay you mean by 'flypaper'.
You do . You understood it well enough to doubt it earlier.
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I ignored it earlier. Not sure of what you mean by flypaper.
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The flypaper idea is to gather and hold the objectionable element making disposal easier.
Isil is a gathering of our enemies, if they can be corralled where they are we can be glad that they gathered .
Was this done on purpose? I doubt this was a grand plan, more like an opportunity has presented.
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I doubt this was a grand plan
I honestly believe the Oligarchy that controls Obama and many others
does have some sort of plan that keeps Muslims at war killing each other,
after-all if they are busy, busy, busy killing each other they have less time and
money to spend attempting to kill us. They've been killing each other
for centuries, so even the smallest of pushes could help continue the
carnage.
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I doubt this.
There was an obvious attempt to keep the Iran - Iraq War going, but Syria is far too chaotic, there are too many factions.
Wars make people more violent, not less so.
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I doubt this. There was an obvious attempt to keep the Iran - Iraq War going, but Syria is far too chaotic, there are too many factions. Wars make people more violent, not less so.
You're right if the Sunni and Shia were not at war with each other,
and were a united anti-western front, and could focus all their anger,
hatred, money, and firepower at us instead of killing each other....we'd be better off! ::)