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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Michael Tee on February 04, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
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http://news.antiwar.com/2010/02/03/blair-us-govt-can-kill-citizens-overseas-as-part-of-defined-policy/ (http://news.antiwar.com/2010/02/03/blair-us-govt-can-kill-citizens-overseas-as-part-of-defined-policy/)
U.S. Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, "reassured" Americans today that the U.S. government will assassinate U.S. citizens abroad only if strict safeguards are followed.
Huh?
Strict safeguards? I always thought the strict safeguards that prevented the government from offing its own citizens were trial by jury and appellate review.
Well, looks like THAT'S gone out the window. What's next? "Dead is dead," as BT likes to say. What's the difference between offing an American citizen in Tijuana or offing him or her in San Diego? I think we can all see what's coming next if the folks at National Security have their way.
This is out-rucking-fageous. Don't any citizens speak out? Or are they too chickenshit to utter a single peep? This is the story of a lost freedom and as in Nazi Germany, the loss was due to fear. It looks to me like an irreversible process. Careful how you respond to this, people, don't say anything you wouldn't want to get back to the FBI. There are snitches just waiting for that "dangerous" comment.
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There are several American citizens recruited to the Al Queda , if they would like to have a trial they had better make themselves easy to arrest , otherwise they are in combat .
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<<There are several American citizens recruited to the Al Queda , if they would like to have a trial they had better make themselves easy to arrest , otherwise they are in combat .>>
Whatever Mr. Blair's "precautions" are, I don't think the attempted service of an arrest warrant in Yemen is one of them. Some of these guys they don't WANT to have public trials in the U.S. because they don't like the idea of the U.S. public hearing what they have to say. Dead men don't talk back to drones.
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<<There are several American citizens recruited to the Al Queda , if they would like to have a trial they had better make themselves easy to arrest , otherwise they are in combat .>>
Besides, how can he be in combat if he doesn't carry a weapon? What the hell does "in combat" mean? Anything that the assassins want it to mean? It's probably the U.S. military's version of the Nazi's phrase, "shot while resisting arrest."
plane are you seriously NOT concerned about these gangster tactics? You think that the rule of law can be eroded like that, like it counts for nothing?
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<<There are several American citizens recruited to the Al Queda , if they would like to have a trial they had better make themselves easy to arrest , otherwise they are in combat .>>
Whatever Mr. Blair's "precautions" are, I don't think the attempted service of an arrest warrant in Yemen is one of them. Some of these guys they don't WANT to have public trials in the U.S. because they don't like the idea of the U.S. public hearing what they have to say. Dead men don't talk back to drones.
Great, then they need to submit themselves to arrest by authoritys that will try them nicely , I suggest the Hague.
Or they can take their chances in combat.
Were there not a few American citizens , British, French and Polish even Soviet citizens who joined the armies of Hitler? What happened to them ?
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<<There are several American citizens recruited to the Al Queda , if they would like to have a trial they had better make themselves easy to arrest , otherwise they are in combat .>>
Besides, how can he be in combat if he doesn't carry a weapon? What the hell does "in combat" mean? Anything that the assassins want it to mean? It's probably the U.S. military's version of the Nazi's phrase, "shot while resisting arrest."
plane are you seriously NOT concerned about these gangster tactics? You think that the rule of law can be eroded like that, like it counts for nothing?
Lets look that up.
COMBAT, Eng. law. The form of a forcible encounter between two or more persons or bodies of men; an engagement or battle. A duel.
http://www.dictionary.net/combat (http://www.dictionary.net/combat)
Due to the nature of the organisation and its tactics there is no frount line or DMZ , no holidays and no truces, Al Queda might attack at any time and might be attacked any hour by us , so is always in combat with us.
I hope very much that those tasked with this duty are responsible and carefull, I also hope they are successfull.
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I wouldn't worry about it bin Snowblower. We know you'll never be a member of Al Qaeda or any other group that would cost you you're ability to sit on your ass and play at life.
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I dont care if we need to knock off some American that is a traitor.
If a guy is selling nukes to Al-KiLL-Ya who cares if he is American or not
blow his car up or send a snipers bullet dancing through his cerebellum.
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<<I dont care if we need to knock off some American that is a traitor.
<<If a guy is selling nukes to Al-KiLL-Ya who cares if he is American or not
blow his car up or send a snipers bullet dancing through his cerebellum.>>
Yeah, but what about the concept of putting the guy on trial first with a judge and jury and the chance to defend himself? That's an American tradition that's kinda been around awhile, isn't it?
You're for just junking the whole concept? As of now? If Dennis Blair says the guy's a traitor, that's good enough for you, just blow his fuckin head off? Dennis Blair or his nameless underlings become the judge, jury, counsel and executioner all in one?
Inquiring minds need to know.
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Yeah, but what about the concept of putting the guy on trial first with a judge and jury and the chance to defend himself? That's an American tradition that's kinda been around awhile, isn't it?
This is absolutely availible to the entire Al Queda , including Osama Bin Laden , it only requires that they surrender themselves to responsible authoritys.
I would reccomend US Marshals or RCMP who have a pretty good reputation for holding prisoners in comfort , but these guys are world travelers , so if they preferred a European trial they could turn themselves in at the Hague just as easily as they went to Africa or Asia.
Osama is really missing this trick, his right to a trial would make him a star at the biggest trial ever held in Europe , if only he had the courage to take advantage of it .
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Somewhere in that over flowing toilet of Mike's brain he pictures someone sitting in a cafe' sipping coffee when a smart bomb lands on top of his unsuspecting head. He is of course innocent in the swirling turd of Mike's brain. In reality America is taking out terrorists who threaten America. People like Mike. It doesn't matter if they're American or not. Hell, hopefully some of them are Canadian.
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<<I dont care if we need to knock off some American that is a traitor.
<<If a guy is selling nukes to Al-KiLL-Ya who cares if he is American or not
blow his car up or send a snipers bullet dancing through his cerebellum.>>
Yeah, but what about the concept of putting the guy on trial first with a judge and jury and the chance to defend himself? That's an American tradition that's kinda been around awhile, isn't it?
See, here's that same disconnect that the current administration has with the rest of reality (that Prince was somehow trying to allude to something that shall remain a mystery for now). This is war, combat, bad guys with guns and other weapons trying to kill our guys, including innocent civilians. If we can target and take a terrorist out, we do. Be it via sniper or drone, simple as that. Been doing it in every war & combat zone. I recall General Yamamoto being shot down from the sky, no judge, no jury, no defense. The tradition that Tee is talking about is that of CRIMINAL conduct. NOT to be confused with conduct of enemy combatants in a war zone
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<<This is absolutely availible to the entire Al Queda , including Osama Bin Laden , it only requires that they surrender themselves to responsible authoritys.>>
Basically, my slippery slope comment referred specifically to the assassination of American citizens abroad by Dennis Blair or his employees. Technically, the one American citizen who was killed by a drone attack in Yemen was in a car on a highway, driving from point A to point B. There was no "combat" going on, no evidence even that the guy was armed for combat and it's only by the most twisted and artificial distortion of the plain meaning of words that it could be claimed the guy was in combat or even a "combatant" let alone an "enemy" combatant when he was a citizen of the United States of America.
And this citizen, deprived arbitrarily of a right to be informed of charges against him, of a fair trial and appellate review, was summarily put to death on the say-so of some civil servants who had determined [something] we don't know exactly what, and that he deserved to die.
So I'll ask again, and hopefully get an answer that does not refer to OBL, does not refer to "enemy combatants" but to American citizens, is this how you think your government should deal with its citizens? And also, if it can do this to them abroad, how much of a leap is it for them to acquire the power to do this to them within the borders of the U.S.A.?
<<I would reccomend US Marshals or RCMP who have a pretty good reputation for holding prisoners in comfort , but these guys are world travelers , so if they preferred a European trial they could turn themselves in at the Hague just as easily as they went to Africa or Asia.>>
And if you're dealing with domestic American criminals, is it OK to kill them on sight if they are dodging a court summons? I mean, for people who mistrust the ability of the government to manage Social Security, to administer an efficient public health insurance scheme, to run General Motors, etc., you seem to have a huge amount of faith in these same bungling civil servants to determine life or death for an American citizen on the basis of whether or not he's a terrorist. So I need to know, how come? How is it that conservatives who don't trust the government to run an insurance company can entrust the lives of American citizens abroad to it?
<<Osama is really missing this trick, his right to a trial would make him a star at the biggest trial ever held in Europe , if only he had the courage to take advantage of it .>>
Osama doesn't believe in infidel law, only Koranic law. If he submitted now to infidel law, he'd be betraying everything that he stood for and look like a schmuck to his followers.
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Mikey, I'm OK with those types of assassinations but only when adults occupy the White House.
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You're for just junking the whole concept? As of now?
Michael are you not aware of Article One, Section 9 of the United States Constitution?
"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases
of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it"
Michael we are at war....do you deny that?
Sometimes one must "junk it" for the time being....during war sometimes ya gotta do "whatever it takes".
On September 24, 1862, President Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus.
In the early 1870s, President Ulysses S. Grant suspended habeas corpus.
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<<Mikey, I'm OK with those types of assassinations but only when adults occupy the White House.>>
The Constitution requires a President to be, IIRC, 35 years of age at least, so they're always gonna be adults, Kramer. But my question is why? How come you don't trust the government to run a fucking candy store but you think they can take over the function of a judge, jury, prosecutor, defence counsel and court of appeal? Why is that?
Second question - - can the same people have the same power of life and death over U.S. citizens inside the U.S. borders? Are you OK with that too?
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<<This is absolutely availible to the entire Al Queda , including Osama Bin Laden , it only requires that they surrender themselves to responsible authoritys.>>
Basically, my slippery slope comment referred specifically to the assassination of American citizens abroad by Dennis Blair or his employees. Technically, the one American citizen who was killed by a drone attack in Yemen was in a car on a highway, driving from point A to point B. There was no "combat" going on,..........
Start over from right there, since 9-11 when have we been at combat with Al Quieda?
Getting shot in your car is exactly what happened to Clyde Barrow , were his rights abridged?
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<<Mikey, I'm OK with those types of assassinations but only when adults occupy the White House.>>
The Constitution requires a President to be, IIRC, 35 years of age at least, so they're always gonna be adults, Kramer. But my question is why? How come you don't trust the government to run a fucking candy store but you think they can take over the function of a judge, jury, prosecutor, defence counsel and court of appeal? Why is that?
Second question - - can the same people have the same power of life and death over U.S. citizens inside the U.S. borders? Are you OK with that too?
well mike as of late I'M disillusioned with our government both DeM & Rep.
I don't trust any of them:
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<<Start over from right there, since 9-11 when have we been at combat with Al Quieda?>>
plane, I don't even know what that question means, but I will start over again:
1. An American citizen is a passenger in a car on a road in the middle of the desert in Yemen. We don't know if he's armed and we will assume that nobody in the car is shooting at anyone and nobody outside the car is shooting at them.
2. An American predator appears in the sky above the car.
3. Dennis Blair or one of his employees decides that the American citizen and the other people in the car need to die.
4. A signal is given in Dennis Blair's or his employee's office and the predator blows the car up, killing the American citizen.
So my questions are, if the American citizen was a combatant, who was he in combat with? And how can you be content that the representative of the American government, which you don't trust to run an automobile company, social security, public health or a fucking candy store, can have the power to decide that this American citizen should be killed without a trial, a judge or a jury?
<<Getting shot in your car is exactly what happened to Clyde Barrow , were his rights abridged?>>
Probably yes, but can we discuss the case of Dennis Blair and his licence to kill American citizens without getting bogged down in the details of Clyde Barrow's case, about which we probably both know almost nothing?
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<<This is absolutely availible to the entire Al Queda , including Osama Bin Laden , it only requires that they surrender themselves to responsible authoritys.>>
Basically, my slippery slope comment referred specifically to the assassination of American citizens abroad by Dennis Blair or his employees. Technically, the one American citizen who was killed by a drone attack in Yemen was in a car on a highway, driving from point A to point B. There was no "combat" going on, no evidence even that the guy was armed for combat and it's only by the most twisted and artificial distortion of the plain meaning of words that it could be claimed the guy was in combat or even a "combatant" let alone an "enemy" combatant when he was a citizen of the United States of America.
"Citizen of the U.S.A." does NOT grant one immunity from being targeted by military, if its been determined such a person was funtioning in the capacity or working with elements of those trying to kill Americans, or other coalition forces. Again, that's been done in every war, both modern and historically. No judge, no jury, no defense. They don't have to be "in combat", merely determined to be working with those who are.
In other words, there is no "slope" here, as we have 2 completely different mountain ranges. The one Tee is trying to apply is criminal activity. The one Blair is referencing is that of military actions, in a state of war
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1. An American citizen is a passenger in a car on a road in the middle of the forest in Germany. We don't know if he's armed and we will assume that nobody in the car is shooting at anyone and nobody outside the car is shooting at them. The Year is 1944
2. An American B -24 appears in the sky above the car.
3. General LeMay or one of his employees decides that the American citizen and the other people in the car need to die.
4. A signal is given in General LeMay or his employee's office and the B-24 blows the car up, killing the American citizen.
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<< . . . 4. A signal is given in General LeMay or his employee's office and the B-24 blows the car up, killing the American citizen.>>
That's a good point, plane. The differences are:
1. The U.S. and Germany are at war. Germany declared war on the U.S.A. when the U.S.A. declared war on Japan.
2. The American was in a car in a forest in Germany, a nation with which the U.S.A. was at war.
OTOH,
1. The U.S.A. is not at war with Yemen.
2. The American therefore was not in "enemy territory" without authorization; he was in a country he had every right to be in. If he was there to pursue illegal activity, it should be decided on a more stringent basis of proof tnan whatever Dennis Blair or his employees happen to think.
In effect, you're saying that once an American citizen leaves the U.S., his life is in the hands of Dennis Blair and his workers,, not a judge and jury.
So my questions are, how come you can trust the US government civil service with the lives of any US citizen outside the borders of the US when you don't even trust the US government civil service to run a candy store? and, why not use the same principle INSIDE the US, where the guy is much closer to his targets if he is in fact an "enemy combatant?" (That was what I meant by "slippery slope.")
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Actually what he's saying is, once you've joined a terrorist group, particpate in planning and carrying out terrorist acts against America and it's allies, you can expect to catch a missle at anytime.
Dumbass. Get your no fly notice yet?
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<<Actually what he's saying is, once you've joined a terrorist group, particpate in planning and carrying out terrorist acts against America and it's allies, you can expect to catch a missle at anytime.>>
Yeah, and what I'm saying is that this is quite a departure for the American citizen who until now had expected to have certain little safeguards in place, like trial by jury and an appellate review court, before his government could arbitrarily take away his life.
But I'm sure a crypto-Nazi like you is already jerking off at the prospects of the government being able to execute sentence of death on its own citizens without such pesky little nuisances as trials, juries and appeals.
<<Dumbass. Get your no fly notice yet?>>
You'll be the first one to know, Rich. But don't hold your breath.
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<<Actually what he's saying is, once you've joined a terrorist group, particpate in planning and carrying out terrorist acts against America and it's allies, you can expect to catch a missle at anytime.>>
Yeah, and what I'm saying is that this is quite a departure for the American citizen who until now had expected to have certain little safeguards in place, like trial by jury and an appellate review court, before his government could arbitrarily take away his life.
That's because said "American Citizen" is no longer functioning in the capacity of a criminal. He's now graduated to the level of enemy combatant. Just as any other soldier/collaborator, in any other war had to face. Ergo, no departure of any kind here. Boy, haven't seen material this dense since our bathroom countertop remodel
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the prospects of the government being able to execute sentence of death on its own citizens without such pesky little nuisances as trials, juries and appeals.
Michael are you saying that if a predator is dispatched with solid info that Osama Bin Laden is
sitting in a vehicle in a field in Yemen & two of his riding buddies are American citizen members
of Al-Qaida that we should not fire the missle?
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This is a highly unlikely scenario. It would not be much more unlikely of Paris Hilton were riding in the trunk. With her pet Chihuahua.
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<<& two of his riding buddies are American citizen members
of Al-Qaida that we should not fire the missle? >>
Solid info? Every fucking cop in America has "solid info" about somebody. THAT'S what American citizens can lose their lives to, some bureaucrat's "solid info?"
You gotta be fucking nuts, CU4. For centuries Americans, and for centuries before that, Englishmen, had the right to a trial by jury before their lives could be taken away by their government, and now you're ready to abolish a citizen's right to be judged by a jury of his peers, in a trial conducted by a judge, with appellate court review, all that to be replaced by "solid info" in the hands of some fucking government bureaucrat???
Sorry to say, CU4, but YOU are a bigger threat to America than any fucking "terrorist" because only Americans can do to American civil liberties what you are proposing to do to them. Death by bureaucracy, death by "solid information." Anyone who believes in that while at the same time believing that the government can't run a candy store is crazier than a fucking bedbug.
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So Michael....in a war...if some US citizens join the other side...we are to "call off the dogs" and not attack the enemy because when we bomb the enemy there are some US Citizens traitors among them? And you call me "F-ing crazy"? Don't advance on Hitler because woe low and behold there are some Americans that have joined up with Hitler?.....LOL
ps: BTW your Boy Obama....I doubt he is checking the citizenship of the enemy he is bombing the hell out of!
Look at these Obama numbers....he is going full boar!
http://www.longwarjournal.org/pakistan-strikes.php (http://www.longwarjournal.org/pakistan-strikes.php)
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>>Yeah, and what I'm saying is that this is quite a departure for the American citizen who until now had expected to have certain little safeguards in place<<
You're a fucking idiot. I'm sure the first thing radicalized American terrorists are thinking is, " They can't get me here, and if they do they won't kill me. I have certain protections."
You're not only an idiot your a fucking fool.
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.he is going full boar!
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Is that anything like "whole hog"?
The expression is "full bore": it refers to maximum volume, not swine.
Again, MT has a very good point: if the government is not competent to decide when a sticking accelerator is a problem, how can its competence be trusted when it comes to assassinating people with no charges, judge or trial?
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<<So Michael....in a war...if some US citizens join the other side...we are to "call off the dogs" and not attack the enemy because when we bomb the enemy there are some US Citizens traitors among them? And you call me "F-ing crazy"? Don't advance on Hitler because woe low and behold there are some Americans that have joined up with Hitler?.....LOL>>
Christian, plane already raised this point and I already answered it in this thread. His question was about an American on the road in Nazi Germany and my post followed shortly thereafter with a complete answer to his question (and your question.)
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The expression is "full bore": it refers to maximum volume, not swine.
Maybe your's is...mine is "FULL BOAR"
Next?
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Christian, plane already raised this point and I already answered it in this thread. His question was about an American on the road in Nazi Germany and my post followed shortly thereafter with a complete answer to his question (and your question.)
Oh I saw your answer but it's wrong.
The US is "at war" with Radical Islam.
"Enemy territory" is where-ever we find the enemy.
We are not going to allow them to set the rules.
"Oh we're in Yemen so ya cant bomb us".
As far as "trusting the Gvt Civil Service"....I would prefer private...but since all we got is gvt....then thats what we go with.
And I applaud Obama really increasing the Predator bombings way up and above over what President Bush was doing.
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<<As far as "trusting the Gvt Civil Service"....I would prefer private...but since all we got is gvt....then thats what we go with.>>
So, as far as I can see, you're willing to have American citizens in Yemen executed without trial on the decision of some government bureaucrat and would be even more willing to have the guy executed by private enterprise instead of government bureaucrats if private enterprise were available to do the job. Trial by jury before execution is just a silly idea.
In other words, you're choices, in order of preference, for the execution of an American citizen in, say, Yemen, are:
1. (best choice) - "Solid facts" of guilt as determined by an executive of a private enterprise, say for example, Blackwater;
2. (acceptable, but not your first choice) - "Solid facts" of guilt as determined by a government bureaucrat, Dennis Blair in this case, or one of his underlings;
3. (unacceptable because of impracticability) trial by judge and jury with a right of appeal.
Did I get your opinion correctly?
CU4, you scare the shit out of me more than any of the other posters in this group, because a guy like you, a seemingly healthy, normal individual, with as little concern for traditional rights as you seem to have, is basically a new kind of American and the U.S.A. that a guy like you would be comfortable in, would be like no U.S.A. the world has ever seen. plane, same thing, if those are your opinions as well.
I sure as bitchin hell hope that BSB is right and that guys like you are basicallly dinosaurs, a dwindling demographic unrepresentative of the American mainstream and soon to be phased out of existence by the growing non-white population of America, because if guys like you ARE the future, then God help America, you're really fucked.
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So, as far as I can see, you're willing to have American citizens in Yemen executed without trial
Trial by jury before execution is just a silly idea.
Is Obama checking passports of targets of his Predator missles?
Yes I am willing during war to kill the enemy no matter what country they originate from.
If some of the enemy are American traitors sitting in Bin Laden's cave with him the day a bunker buster bomb finds Bin Laden...so be it.
"Solid facts" of guilt as determined by an executive of a private enterprise, say for example, Blackwater
As compared to Lt William Calley or the entity that dealt so much better than Blackwater with the American Indian?
Did I get your opinion correctly?
Hell I dunno Michael....I believe what William Tecumseh Sherman said....War Is Hell.
I think one must destroy the enemy....the enemy will not set the rules.
If the enemy uses the constitution to defeat you what good is the constitution?
CU4, you scare the shit out of me more than any of the other posters in this group,
Honestly Michael....with no disrespect....thats a good thing....the highest honor you could give me.
I feel you are a supporter of the enemies of the United States.
It's a compliment for the enemies of the United States to fear the methods I want my country to employ to defeat them.
I sure as bitchin hell hope that BSB is right and that guys like you are basicallly dinosaurs,
a dwindling demographic unrepresentative of the American mainstream and soon to be phased
out of existence by the growing non-white population of America, because if guys like you ARE
the future, then God help America, you're really fucked.
LOL....Michael there will be no "out of existence"
The dwindling demographic just means there will be "Balkanization"....maybe/probably war
It's called survival of the fittest.....I like my demographics chances in a war of survival
There are many examples around the globe of a smaller demographic group "calling the shots".
But thats not really for me to worry about
Most of my life will have been lived in the "Leave It To Beaver" era
Down the road in a few years God willing I will live out the latter part of my life in rural America
I just bought a beautiful wooded lake lot out in the country...
I'll happily spend my last couple of decades in "Mayberry"....rural America
Sure the big cities will be filled with immigrants, leftist, and problems....
But Michael if I can create a few more jobs
provide something the public wants
be wise with my decisions & wise with my piggie bank then while "Rome Burns" in the big cities I'll be out here!
sitting on my porch....smiling ;)
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<<I feel you are a supporter of the enemies of the United States.
<<It's a compliment for the enemies of the United States to fear the methods I want my country to employ to defeat them.>>
CU4, we're not communicating. I think the biggest enemy of the U.S.A. is guys like you, because you are subverting all the basic protections of the U.S. Constitution, something that no "terrorist" will ever be able to do. All the "terrorists" can destroy are a few buildings, a few planes or a few thousand lives. Nothing to a country as huge and as rich and as populous as the U.S.A. Besides which, it is really a punishment you have called down on your own heads, by continuing to fuck with people who are learning how to strike back at you. But the Constitution and its protection of human rights is priceless. That's not being destroyed by "terrorists" but by guys like you agreeing to the piecemeal erosion of every Constitutional right. To gain an edge in the "War on Terror" which is never going to end because as long as you fuck with the Arabs, they are going to continue to fuck with you.
<<If some of the enemy are American traitors sitting in Bin Laden's cave with him the day a bunker buster bomb finds Bin Laden...so be it.>>
But this isn't about some Americans caught by chance with bin Laden when the bomb comes down on him. This is about some Americans in Yemen where they have every lawful right to be, traveling down a deserted road in the desert when they are deliberately executed by their own government - - no trial, no judge, no jury - - because some government employee says, "Those guys. In that car. The Americans. Get 'em." Maybe they really were very bad guys. Maybe they were really "traitors." But how do we know that? Because Dennis Blair says so? Who the fuck is Dennis Blair, and how does he get the power of life and death over an American citizen? When before were American citizens able to be executed without trial by their own government? This isn't Lincoln denying habeas corpus in the Civil War. This is Lincoln marking American citizens for death and executing them without trial. Never happened before, far as I can see.
Anyway, CU4, on a totally different note, Congrats on the lake lot. I hope it works out well for you. At least you won't have to worry about winter blizzards blocking the roads in and out.
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CU4, we're not communicating.
Oh we are communicating...we just disagree.
I do not want to check the passports of American enemies....I want to kill them.
And I am very pleased the guy you & XO supported in the last US Presidential
election is not checking the passports of people he is targeting with Predator missles.
Anyway, CU4, on a totally different note, Congrats on the lake lot.
I hope it works out well for you. At least you won't have to worry
about winter blizzards blocking the roads in and out.
Thanks....can't wait to throw a southern style cottage on the lot
with a big wrap-around porch....but still got some work to do before
that happens.
(http://img2.houseplans.com/plans/e/56-238e-2098.jpg)
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Nice looking little house there CU4.
Having spent some time in Texas bedding down under the stars, with rattlesnakes, scorpions, and tarantulas, I know there are an amazing number of man made lakes there. Where is that one?
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BSB.....it's in East Texas....not deep East Texas....just about where the pine trees start.
It's near Quitman, Texas (birthplace of Sissy Spacek)....maybe a half hour from Tyler.
Nice little 17 acre lake with about a dozen houses on the lake.....real quiet...peaceful.
Lake is supposed to be full of fish....PETA wont be happy!
Here's a few more pics of the lot.
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/ItsZep/Lake%20Fork%20Cabin/8_323.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/ItsZep/Lake%20Fork%20Cabin/4_588.jpg)