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A nation of 70% nazi racists
« on: May 13, 2010, 03:00:19 PM »
or as some would claim, as their reason for supporting AZ's law at enforcing current Federal Immigration Law
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The 73% fringe that supports AZ immigration law

Barack Obama and the Democrats keep trying to paint the new law in Arizona on immigration as some sort of misguided effort by a frustrated fringe.  Unfortunately for them, a new poll from Pew Research shows that they're the fringe, even in their own party.  Almost three-quarters of Americans support Arizona's new law, and almost two-thirds of Democrats support the already-law requirement for immigrants to carry ID:

The public broadly supports a new Arizona law aimed at dealing with illegal immigration and the law's provisions giving police increased powers to stop and detain people who are suspected of being in the country illegally.

Fully 73% say they approve of requiring people to produce documents verifying their legal status if police ask for them. Two-thirds (67%) approve of allowing police to detain anyone who cannot verify their legal status, while 62% approve of allowing police to question people they think may be in the country illegally.

But that's just those nutty Republicans, right?  Wrong.  While Democrats split evenly on the law itself, the two provisions that caused the most controversy get broad support from Obama's own party:

However, majorities of Democrats approve of two of the law?s principal provisions: requiring people to produce documents verifying legal status (65%) and allowing police to detain anyone unable to verify their legal status (55%).

That's not the only bad news for Obama from Pew.  While they have his overall job approval at a perhaps-generous 47%, his numbers on immigration have tanked over the last six months.  They started off badly in November, at 31/48, making immigration one of his weakest policy areas, but he's managed to lose 12 points in the gap since.  He?s now at 25/54, down from 29/47 a month ago.  His dismissive attitude towards Arizona's law has damaged him.

Of course, it's not just his remarks about the law that's the problem.  The federal government all but forced Arizona to act after its inaction allowed Phoenix to become the kidnapping capital of the world.  Violence plagues Arizonans, natural-born citizens and legal immigrants alike, and they're tired of getting no response from Washington.  They want a common-sense approach to law enforcement, such as actually enforcing the law.  If Obama won't do it, they will.

The AZ immigration law is only getting more popular, not less.  

It's making Obama look more and more like an ivory-tower elitist and less every day like someone who understands the problems of people in the country he leads.  With numbers like these, don't expect a push on amnesty any time soon, or perhaps ever.  This appears to have become a big game-changer.

Those evil racist anti-immigrant republicans & conservatives (& democrats, & independents, & moderates, & libertarians)
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Re: A nation of 70% nazi racists
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 04:56:28 PM »
NBC Astonished Poll Finds Most Support Arizona Law and Anti-Terror Profiling; Skip GOP Surge
By: Brent Baker
May 12, 2010


NBC News Political Director Chuck Todd seemed astonished by how a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll confirmed solid agreement with Arizona's immigration enforcement law ? ?a whopping 64 percent support the law,? Todd marveled, ?and we read them the law verbatim exactly as it's been written? and still, he repeated, ?64 percent approve of it.? NBC also treated as surprising the majority backing for racial profiling to prevent terrorism, while Todd didn't mention what NBC's polling partner, the Wall Street Journal, found most newsworthy. Lead of the WSJ.com post:

Republicans have solidified support among voters who had drifted from the party in recent elections, putting the GOP in position for a strong comeback in November's elections, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll.

In his limited air time, Todd used the video wall at 30 Rock to highlight the public's belief the government and BP haven't done enough to address the Gulf oil spill, but he didn't note another finding which counters the media's preferences and narrative, that despite the accident, 60 percent support ?more drilling for oil off the coast of the United States.?

MSNBC.com, however, headlined its poll summary, ?Poll: Despite spill, support for oil drilling high?

Brian Williams cued up Todd on profiling, suggesting it has, or at least should have been, a topic of hot debate: ?I know after this attempted bombing in Times Square, you asked a question every family has debated about racial profiling.? Todd recounted what the survey determined:

We did, and we asked it specifically on the issue of: Would you be in favor of racial profiling when it comes to combating terrorism? And guess what: A majority said yes. It's a slim majority, but a majority nonetheless: 51 percent would approve of it; 43 percent disapprove of it. Clearly, this issue of terrorism is something that people, they're willing to give up some of their own personal rights, and they're willing to see some racial profiling, Brian.

On the attitude toward the two parties and the Tea Party movement, Todd conveyed:

Both political parties viewed negatively. The Democrats, 37 percent positive rating, 42 percent negative. Republicans, a lesser positive rating [30%]. But check this out. The Tea Party ? it's not an official political party ? but there are more people have a positive view [31%] of the Tea Party than of the Republican Party. And fewer people have a negative view of the Tea Party than either of the two major parties [30%].

The Wall Street Journal saw a lot more positive for Republicans. From the story posted Wednesday night, presumably what will run in Thursday's newspaper, by Peter Wallsten, Naftali Bendavid and Jean Spencer:

Republicans have solidified support among voters who had drifted from the party in recent elections, putting the GOP in position for a strong comeback in November's elections, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. The findings suggest that public opinion has hardened in advance of the 2010 elections, making it harder for Democrats to translate their legislative successes or a tentatively improving U.S. economy into gains among voters.

Republicans have reassembled their coalition by reconnecting with independents, seniors, blue-collar voters, suburban women and small town and rural voters?all of whom had moved away from the party in the 2006 elections, in which Republicans lost control of the House. Those voter groups now favor GOP control of Congress.

"This data is what it looks like when Republicans assemble what for them is a winning coalition," said GOP pollster Bill McInturff, who conducts the survey with Democratic pollster Peter Hart. He said the Republican alliance appeared to be "firmer and more substantial" than earlier in the year....

A big shift is evident among independents, who at this point in the 2006 campaign favored Democratic control of Congress rather than Republican control, 40% to 24%. Now, independents favor the GOP, 38% to 30%.

Suburban women favored Democratic control four years ago by a 24-point margin. Now, they narrowly favor Republicans winning the House. A similar turnaround has happened among voters 65 and older....


As noted above, Todd pointed out that on Arizona ?we read them the law verbatim exactly as it's been written.? Here's that question, #34:

The Arizona law makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally. It requires local and state law enforcement officers to question people about their immigration status if they have reason to suspect a person is in the country illegally, making it a crime for them to lack registration documents. Do you support or oppose this law? (IF SUPPORT/OPPOSE, THEN ASK) And, do you strongly (support/oppose) or just somewhat (support/oppose) this law?

(46 percent ?strongly support,? nearly double the 24 percent who ?strongly oppose.?)

In fact, the statute requires a prerequisite lawful reason for stopping someone before the law enforcement officer can check their immigration status:

For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and  is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.

The poll rundown provided on the Wednesday, May 12 NBC Nightly News, transcript provided by the MRC's Brad Wilmouth who corrected the closed-captioning against the video:

BRIAN WILLIAMS: We have new numbers tonight, a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. And it's a revealing one ? everything from politics to oil to racial profiling. Our chief White House correspondent and NBC News political director Chuck Todd is with us here at the board with the numbers. And, Chuck, we asked about a lot of subjects this time.

CHUCK TODD: We did. A lot's happened since the last time we went into the field. And let's begin with the oil spill and what folks think of the federal government's response so far. And it's a mixed bag: 45 percent believe the government is not doing enough; 43 percent believe they are doing enough. Of course, BP is the one that a lot of people blame a lot more right now than the federal government.

How about that new immigration law in Arizona? Well, a whopping 64 percent support the law. And we read them the law verbatim exactly as it's been written ? 64 percent approve of it; 34 percent oppose it. But look at this number among Hispanics: It's reversed ? 70 percent of Hispanics oppose it; 27 percent support it. It is something that is going to be a political hot potato for probably the next couple of years.

How about the President? Well, look at this. There's sort of a polarizing view of the President these days ? 51 percent, a majority, actually now disapprove of his policies. And yet he's still well liked: 69 percent like him personally. So this polarized view, he's sort of Teflon personally, but he's having a hard time selling his agenda.

How's this translating to the political parties? Well, look at that. We know there's an anti-incumbent atmosphere out there. Both political parties viewed negatively. The Democrats, 37 percent positive rating, 42 percent negative. Republicans, a lesser positive rating. But check this out. The Tea Party ? it's not an official political party ? but there are more people have a positive view of the Tea Party than of the Republican party. And fewer people have a negative view of the Tea Party than either of the two major parties. It's a conservative movement for now, but it is something that seems to be catching on.

So what is this anti-incumbent atmosphere all about? Why is it that everybody is so angry? Well, look at these numbers. We'll start with this. Large majorities, 56 percent, say the country's heading the wrong direction. It's been that way for six months; 58 percent, for instance, believe the stock market is not a fair and open process to them. Look at this one: 75 percent believe that they don't trust anything that comes out of Washington; 81 percent are dissatisfied with the economy. And now you have 83 percent that believe the two-party system has real problems, and a large chunk of those voters would like to see an actual creation of a third party, the largest we've seen yet. And, Brian, this explains why Republican Bob Bennett lost in Utah, a Democratic Congressman lost last night in a primary. We may have two Senators this Tuesday both lose. It's an angry and pessimistic public.

WILLIAMS: And I know after this attempted bombing in Times Square, you asked a question every family has debated about racial profiling.

TODD: We did, and we asked it specifically on the issue of: Would you be in favor of racial profiling when it comes to combating terrorism? And guess what: A majority said yes. It's a slim majority, but a majority nonetheless: 51 percent would approve of it; 43 percent disapprove of it. Clearly, this issue of terrorism is something that people, they're willing to give up some of their own personal rights, and they're willing to see some racial profiling, Brian.



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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 12:50:33 PM »
As Polls Show Overwhelming Support for Arizona's Law, Nets Focus on 'Uproar' and 'Spreading' Boycotts
By: Brent Baker
May 13, 2010


The night after two major national polls confirmed overwhelming majorities support Arizona's impending immigration enforcement statute (59 percent per Pew and 64 percent per NBC/WSJ), CBS and ABC promoted the cause of activists in the minority. Both devoted full stories to the ?uproar? and ?emotional civil war? over the law and moves by a few liberal local government bodies to enact boycotts, only getting late in their stories to those who like the law.

The Thursday night stories were pegged to a boycott vote by the Democratic city council of Los Angeles, but CBS's Bill Whitaker and ABC's Barbara Pinto both also played a three-day old clip of California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger mocking Arizona and pointed to the cancellation of a trip to Arizona by a suburban Chicago high school's girls basketball team ? not to deride adults for using teens to grind a political axe, but to illustrate the supposed depth of opposition to Arizona's law.

?The boycott of Arizona is spreading,? Katie Couric trumpeted before Whitaker touted: ?The city of Los Angeles, the latest to react strongly to Arizona's tough new anti-illegal immigration law.? He pushed how ?a growing number of states and municipalities are boycotting or considering boycotting Arizona,? citing how ?Highland Park High School in Chicago's suburbs is pulling its champion girls' basketball team from a tournament in Arizona because of the law.?

Cuing up Schwarzenegger, Whitaker insisted: ?The state has become the butt of jokes.? Schwarzenegger, from Monday, on not traveling to Arizona: ?But with my accent, I was worried they were going to deport me back to Austria.?

Over on ABC, Barbara Pinto announced ?Los Angeles now joins San Francisco and St. Paul, Minnesota, banning travel to the state.? Standing in front of the Illinois high school, Pinto relayed:

A list of boycotts costing Arizona an estimated $90 million so far. This heated debate is even playing out here at this suburban Chicago High School, 1,800 miles away. Administrators cancelled the Highland Park girls basketball team's trip to an Arizona tournament amid concerns about the new law.

She did at least then a play a clip of a parent wondering: ?What does the immigration law have to do with us going to play sports in Arizona??

ABC anchor Diane Sawyer noted the Pew number at the top of the World News story while CBS's Whitaker only got to it deep in his report. Neither mentioned the higher NBC/Wall Street Journal number.


CBS Evening News, Thursday, May 13:

KATIE COURIC: The uproar continues over Arizona's new immigration law. The commissioner of Major League Baseball today brushed off calls from Latino groups to move next year's All-Star game out of Phoenix. But Bill Whitaker reports, the boycott of Arizona is spreading.

BILL WHITAKER: For every action in nature there's an opposite reaction, so, too, in politics. The city of Los Angeles, the latest to react strongly to Arizona's tough new anti-illegal immigration law. City council voted yesterday to ban city travel to Arizona, ban future contracts with Arizona businesses, and to check whether $58 million in existing contracts can be broken legally.

JOSE HUIZAR, LA CITY COUNCIL: We have to act swiftly and strongly.

WHITAKER: Councilman Jose Huizar's grandfather helped to build LA City Hall as a Mexican guest worker in the 1920s.

JOSE HUIZAR: We fear what Arizona did will continue to spread to other states.

WHITAKER: A growing number of states and municipalities are boycotting or considering boycotting Arizona, pushing the state to repeal the law. Highland Park high school in Chicago's suburbs is pulling its champion girls' basketball team from a tournament in Arizona because of the law. Arizona's tourism board estimates it's losing $90 million to boycotts already. The state has become the butt of jokes.

ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, ON MONDAY: But with my accent, I was worried they were going to deport me back to Austria.

WHITAKER: Still, a majority of Americans, 59 percent according to a Pew poll out this week, support the Arizona law requiring everyone to produce proof of citizenship when asked by police. In fact, 16 states are considering legislation similar to Arizona's. State Senator Russell Pearce wrote the controversial law.

RUSSELL PEARCE: Arizona spend $3 billion a year to educate Medicaid and incarcerate illegal aliens. It is a serious problem.

WHITAKER: And a serious challenge to Arizona's image and pocketbook, but so far Arizona stands willing to pay the price for its actions. Bill Whitaker, CBS News, Los Angeles.



ABC's World News:

DIANE SAWYER: Here at home, a new poll shows the majority of Americans, 59 percent, support Arizona's tough law requiring police to check the documentation of anyone they suspect might be an illegal immigrant. But all around the country, a kind of emotional civil war continues. Some people deciding to try to hit Arizona in the pocketbook. Today's developments from Barbara Pinto.

BARBARA PINTO: This is an out and out brawl, a nation choosing sides. California's Governor Schwarzenegger for one.

ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER: I was also going to go and give a commencement speech in Arizona, but with my accent I was worried they would deport me back to Austria.

PINTO: Los Angeles now joins San Francisco and St. Paul, Minnesota, banning travel to the state.

WOMAN: Los Angeles is not going to stand for bigotry, for racism and for attacks on immigrants.

PINTO: A list of boycotts costing Arizona an estimated $90 million so far. This heated debate is even playing out here at this suburban Chicago High School, 1,800 miles away. Administrators cancelled the Highland Park girls basketball team's trip to an Arizona tournament amid concerns about the new law.

MICHAEL EVANS, FATHER OF BASKETBALL PLAYER: What does the immigration law have to do with us going to play sports in Arizona?

PINTO: Arizona is home no nearly a half million illegal immigrants. It's new law pits neighbor against neighbor.

ALEJANDRA CHACON, LEGAL IMMIGRANT: This is not about immigration anymore. This is about the color of our skin, the way we talk, the way we learn.

PINTO: Across town-

DONNA NEILLE: One night, we hear pop, pop, pop.

PINTO: -Donna and Jerry Neille watched the flood of illegal immigrants and crime move into their neighborhood.

DONNA NEILLE: The gangs. You know, that's really what is scary about all of this, it's these gangs. They're vicious. They're violent.

PINTO: And then there's the 700 mile border fence, promised by Congress. Today, only 34 miles are up, nine of them in Arizona, which has a border hundreds of miles long. The issue is so inflamed that John McCain, once a champion for immigrant rights, is scrambling to be identified with that fence.

JOHN McCAIN IN TV AD: And complete the danged fence.

PINTO: Today, religious leaders protested outside his door, in this border battle that is nowhere near an end. Barabara Pinto, ABC News, Highland Park, Illinois.



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Re: A nation of 70% nazi racists
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 03:22:16 PM »
I might be wrong but when the issue of crime on this topic is brought up , it is not addressed at all.


brought up often enough but never addressed.
people are getting killed and no exchange of dialog about the matter.
at the very least the opposion should suggest increased patrol or something

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Re: A nation of 70% nazi racists
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 04:18:45 PM »
Not sure what you refer to as "not addressed", Kimba.  Entering this country illegally, is already a crime.  But more to the point, the AZ law makes it painfully clear that law enforcement is not allowed to stop anyone based on anything other than a legal detention.  If after that, there is some form of reasonable belief that the person being detained is here illegally, THEN federal immigration law is upheld by way of requesting legality in this country 

The law is clear.  It's critics are the ones arguing otherwise.  Some of those critics being intellectually dishonest.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 04:32:07 PM »
I meant the people opposing the law is focusing only the racial aspect but not danger aspect of this situation.
when I say crime I meant people getting robbed and killed.

the very crime that triggered this situation.

the crime of just being in the states is not the problem, it`s the drug gangs squatting in U.S. land that`s the problem.


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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 04:55:21 PM »
I meant the people opposing the law is focusing only the racial aspect but not danger aspect of this situation.
when I say crime I meant people getting robbed and killed.

You're 100% right there.  They consistently ignore 1 of, if not THE reason AZ had to make such a law...that of rampant crime occuring, that could be connected to illegal immigrants.  NO, that doesn't mean all illegal immigrants are violent, nor even a majority.  Merely that when CA reinforced their borders, more illiegal entering of the country began to occur into AZ, drug smuggling took off, as did kidnappings, and other violent crime that COULD be connected to those in this country illegally.

But you're right, it was the high crime rates that facilitated this law, NOT some perverse need to start shipping any and all hispanically looking people to the gas chambers

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 05:34:59 PM »
if anything Arizona should be blamed for being too slow to respond.
we`re not talking one isolated incident here.
the situation is alot larger and damaging.
thiers a reason other states are thinking of joining and it not only because they don`t like illegals.

my town don`t celebrate hollween because of the gangs(they like to shoot when they party).
1 dead 6 wounded and people try to say the cancellation is a racial issue.
tough!!

since the cancellation nobody got shot

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 05:49:29 PM »
But don't expect any of that to be reported by the MSM, or other pundits critical of this law.  Instead, you'll see more of how this is supposedly some twisted support of "bigger government", or the acutely ignorant & moronic call of this being pushed by a racist legislature & governor
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2010, 03:15:17 AM »
I beleive I shall boycott Los Angeles for a few months.

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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 03:55:04 AM »
Me too
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 09:53:41 AM »
not much of a threat really, most californians want to separate from L.A. to begin with

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 02:14:11 PM »
Gonna extend my boycott to San Francisco.  Several of my apparent racist friends are, as well
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 04:42:23 PM »
samething

san francisco is losing folks all by itself.

lookup ikes place eviction and you`ll see a guys who finally gets his business running in s.f. but is getting evicted for being too busy.lets just say san francisco is not a place to run a thriving business.
ike is not the 1st person the learn this.

a boycott would not be noticable.


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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 04:48:20 PM »
Actually, let's just say that the state of California, is not a place to run a thriving business.  And let's make it worse by pissing off one of our better nearby business partners

Way to go guys      :P
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