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« on: August 17, 2007, 10:53:19 PM »

August 17 - This is why I pay my ACLU dues every year.

    A couple arrested at a rally after refusing to cover T-shirts that bore anti-President Bush slogans settled their lawsuit against the federal government for $80,000, the American Civil Liberties Union announced Thursday.

    Nicole and Jeffery Rank of Corpus Christi, Texas, were handcuffed and removed from the July 4, 2004, rally at the state Capitol, where Bush gave a speech. A judge dismissed trespassing charges against them, and an order closing the case was filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Charleston.

     This IS still America, dammit.
     Thank you, Earl for the heads-up.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2007, 01:38:47 AM »
If they were peacefully wearing t-shirts that merely stated their opinin of opposition , then I have to agree.

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2007, 11:33:22 AM »
can these people thank the ACLU too?



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Tuesday, January 30, 2007

Anti-war protesters arrested outside Clinton's office

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Capitol Police arrested six women from the anti-war group "Code Pink" outside Sen. Hillary Clinton's office Tuesday who were calling on the New York Democrat to adopt a more aggressive anti-Iraq stance.

In addition to the six arrested, nearly 50 other members of the all-women's group stood outside Clinton's office to show their disproval with the Democratic presidential candidates' stances on the war.

"The entire group then entered Clinton's office and effectively wove a web of pink yarn and ribbons to symbolize Clinton's web of lies," a statement from 'Code Pink,' said.

Clinton, who originally voted to authorize the war in 2003, has come out against the proposed troop increase and advocated capping Iraq troop levels at their Jan. 1 levels.

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2007, 12:27:14 PM »
I think there are laws against demonstrating in a senator's office.  But the Code Pink people are free to contact the ACLU and see what they say.  The ACLU represents people of various religions, no religions, KKK, anti-segregationists, all kinds of people. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2007, 01:12:29 PM »
So sad it's mutated into such a zealous anti-religion (or more so, anti-Christian) organization.  And why don't they have the same fervor in supporting the 2nd amendment, as they supposedly do the 1st??   What's up with that?      :-\
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2007, 02:29:26 PM »
Sirs, I have no idea what you're talking about.  In my post I said they represented people who were of  various religions, or no religions, etc.  If you have a source to back up anything you've said ,  please do post it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2007, 02:38:30 PM »
Sirs, I have no idea what you're talking about.  I'm talking about how In my post I said they represented people who were of  various religions, or no religions, etc.  If you have a source to back up anything you've said ,  please do post it.

The source is the lack of ACLU invovlement in preventing Islamic traditions and religious acts from spreading in both schools & universitites.  The source is the lack of any ACLU involvement in upholding 2nd amendment cases.  The source is how everything the ACLU attacks, when it comes to seperation of church and state is nearly always Christian.  You want sources of what they already do and don't do?? 

Or perhaps you can show me where they have gone after some effort to facilitate Muslim prayers in school, classes where they all dress up in traditional Muslim garb, and special areas where they can pray, or foot baths in universities, or have supported someone's 2nd amendment rights
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Re: Thank you, ACLU
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2007, 07:19:48 PM »
can these people thank the ACLU too?



OFFICIALS FORCIBLY REMOVE HILLARY PROTESTER AT FUNDRAISER
by Craig Bachler

The below link will take you to see a protested removed from the Hillary for President fundraiser.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=960_1174488595&p=1



Tuesday, January 30, 2007

Anti-war protesters arrested outside Clinton's office

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Capitol Police arrested six women from the anti-war group "Code Pink" outside Sen. Hillary Clinton's office Tuesday who were calling on the New York Democrat to adopt a more aggressive anti-Iraq stance.

In addition to the six arrested, nearly 50 other members of the all-women's group stood outside Clinton's office to show their disproval with the Democratic presidential candidates' stances on the war.

"The entire group then entered Clinton's office and effectively wove a web of pink yarn and ribbons to symbolize Clinton's web of lies," a statement from 'Code Pink,' said.

Clinton, who originally voted to authorize the war in 2003, has come out against the proposed troop increase and advocated capping Iraq troop levels at their Jan. 1 levels.

-- CNN Radio Correspondent Lisa Goddard



This reminds me of a film entitled "Viva Zapata," with Marlon Brando as Emiliano.

The film, written cold by John Steinbeck, starts with Brando as a peasant visiting the president's office with a petition.  Brando questions the brush-off his contingent received, and the presidente demands to know his name.  When Brando tells him, he draws a circle around it.

Years later, Zapata is now presidente, having led the revolution with Villa, Carranza, and Oberon. 

He is visited by a small group, and one questions Brando's brush-off.  "What is your name!?" demands Zapata.  And when told, draws a circle around the name, and suddenly it comes to him.

Zapata returns to the revolution, the wiser.

What will Hillary do?

This Clinton, like the other one, is no Zapata.

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2007, 08:27:11 PM »
Sirs, I have no idea what you're talking about.  In my post I said they represented people who were of  various religions, or no religions, etc.  If you have a source to back up anything you've said ,  please do post it.

They have defended a few Christinas in order to add to their PR campaign. I know, I have a friend who used to be an attorney there. It is all a facade. They are as anti-Christian a bunch as I have ever seen. Definitley at least a principality in charge there, at the least.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2007, 08:57:09 PM »
Sirs,
"....such a zealous anti-religion (or more so, anti-Christian) organization.  And why don't they have the same fervor in supporting the 2nd amendment, as they supposedly do the 1st?? "

I question whether this is factual. If it is, you should have no problem showing me a source with a URL address and everything.  If it is just a dear personal belief, then you of course have every right to hold onto it but I'd like to see a source, if you don't mind.

Professor, same with your statement. Source?
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2007, 10:10:22 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean, Lanya. Sure, they have defended some Christians in order to present themselves as "balanced". To wit: December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.

November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.

August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln.

July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.

June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.

May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries.

March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister's right to preach on sidewalks.

February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages.

October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.

July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.

April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.

January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church's right to run ?anti-Santa? ads in Boston subways.

You want me to locate anti-Christian act by the ACLU? Gosh, there are too many to count. Here is a few:

Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);

the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as "free speech" (Policy 4);

the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);

the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);

the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);

opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);

opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of parental choice in children's education (Policy 80)

-- not to mention the defense and promotion of euthanasia, polygamy, government control of church institutions, gun control, tax-funded abortion, birth limitation, etc. (Policies 263, 133, 402, 47, 261, 323, 271, 91, 85).

Following is a case in point (from David Barton's "America: To Pray or Not to Pray").

In 1988, California was considering adopting legislation on sex education for public schools requiring that course material and
instruction should stress that monogamous heterosexual intercourse within marriage is a traditional American value.

The Senator promoting the bill received a letter of protest from the ACLU dated April 18, 1988 stating:

       "It is our position that monogamous, heterosexual intercourse within marriage
       as a traditional American value is an unconstitutional establishment of religious
       doctrine in public schools.... We believe [this bill] violates the First Amendment."

http://www.dianedew.com/aclu.htm

The LGBT Project fights discrimination and moves public opinion on LGBT rights through the courts, legislatures and public education across five issue areas:

RELATIONSHIPS ? Since the first marriage lawsuit for same-sex couples in 1972, the ACLU has been at the forefront of both legal and public education efforts to secure marriage for same-sex couples and win legal recognition for LGBT relationships.


SCHOOLS & YOUTH ? The LGBT Project?s Schools & Youth program defends free expression in public schools, demands that learning environments do not encourage bullying and violence, and helps educators create an atmosphere respectful of students? sexual orientation and gender identity.


PARENTING ? The ACLU is committed to defending the rights of LGBT parents, not only in custody and visitation arrangements but also by challenging discriminatory laws that restrict the rights of LGBT people to parent.


TRANSGENDER ? The ACLU works to include gender identity in nondiscrimination laws, raises awareness of the types of harms that transgender people face, and brings impact lawsuits to change biased laws against transgender people in employment, schools, and public accommodations.


DISCRIMINATION ? Since the 1950s, the ACLU has been defending LGBT people from discrimination. Over the years, the ACLU has fought LGBT discrimination on several fronts?from challenging ?sodomy? laws to advocating for civil rights that protect LGBT people.

http://aclu.org/lgbt/index.html

In Virginia, the ACLU has protested the issuing of?Choose Life? license plates and a moment of si-lence for school children at the beginning of eachday.
? In Colorado, theACLU successfullydefended a homo-sexual female inher effort to gainco-parenting cus-tody of a younggirl from her Christian mother. The judge ruled that the homosexual was a ?psychological parent?who deserved 50-50 custody of the child.
? The ACLU is defending the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) for this pedo-phile group?s role in the brutal murder of 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley in 1997.
? The ACLU routinely opposes internet filtering sys-tems on library computers to protect childrenfrom exposure to pornography.
? The ACLU favors the decriminalization of mari-juana.
? The ACLU has filed lawsuits throughout the United States to remove Christian crosses and the 10 Commandments from public buildings. The ACLU?s Radical Leftist Beginnings The ACLU?s current war against Christianity and mo-rality has its roots in its beginnings in 1919 when itwas founded by Unitarian socialist Roger Baldwin. Baldwin formed the ACLU at a party attended by So-cialist Party leader Norman Thomas, Elizabeth GurleyFlynn (the future leader of the Communist Party,USA), and Soviet spy, Agnes Smedley. Roger Baldwin warned his fellow ACLU membersthat it was important to look patriotic. He told them:?Do steer awayfrom making it [the ACLU] look like a socialist enterprise. We want to look like patriots in every thing we do. We want to get a lot of flags, talk a good dealabout the Constitution and what our forefathers wanted to make of the country and show that we arereally the folks that stand by the spirit of our institu-tions.?
In 1931, a congressional report of the Special House Committee to Investigate Communist Activities stated: ?The American Civil Liberties Union is closely affiliated withthe communist movement in the United States, and fully 90 percent of its efforts are on behalf of communists whohave come into conflict with the law. It claims to stand for free speech, free press, and free assembly; but it is quite apparent that the main function of the ACLU is to attemptto protect the communists in their advocacy of force and violence to overthrow the government, replacing the Ameri-can flag by a red flag and erecting a Soviet government inplace of the republican form of government guaranteed to each state by the federal Constitution.?
Ever since its begin-nings, the ACLU has waged war against Christianity andAmerica?s Judeo-Christian heritage.Pushing Evolution In Public Schools In the mid-1920s, the ACLU placed ads in Tennessee newspapers seeking a teacher who would be willing tochallenge Tennessee?s law that prohibited the teaching of?any theory that denies the story of the Divine Creationof man as taught in the Bible.? John T. Scopes, a gym coach, volunteered to challenge the law as he served as a substitute teacher in a high school science class. TheACLU hired atheist lawyer Clarence Darrow to defend Scopes and fundamentalist Christian William JenningsBryan defended the state law.The three-day case became a media circus and an oppor-tunity for atheists to push for the teaching of evolution inthe schools?and for eventually banning the teaching ofthe biblical account of creation. Scopes was fined $100and this fine was overturned by the Tennessee SupremeCourt on a technicality, but the ACLU had won a signifi-cant public relations victory. In 2000, the ACLU touted its involvement in the Scopestrial as a ?landmark case that established that evolutioncould be taught in the nation?s public schools. ? Thatdebate is still raging today, and the ACLU continues tolead the battle for religious liberty and the preservationof the First Amendment.? (ACLU feature, ?75 Years Af-ter Historic Scopes Trial, Religious Liberty Battles Con-tinue,? ACLU.org.)The current head of the ACLU is Anthony D. Romero, a homo-sexual who formerly served at the Ford Foundation dispensing$90 million to leftist and homosexuals causes. ACLU Targets Crosses And 10 CommandmentsToday, the ACLU is waging war against the public displayof crosses and the 10 Commandments. In California, the ACLU threatened to sue the County ofLos Angeles if it didn?t remove a small cross from the county seal. The cross is one of the smallest images on the seal. The pagan Greek goddess Pomona is the largestimage, but the ACLU only targeted the removal of thecross?not the pagan goddess. A compliant liberal major-ity of county commissioners immediately caved to the ACLU?s demands. Angry citizens are calling for a Novem-ber vote on keeping the cross on the seal. The ACLU has also won the removal of a cross in theMojave desert that was part of a World War I memorialto our nation?s fallen soldiers. One of the primary targetsof the ACLU is the removal of the 10 Commandments from all public property. According to a report on NPR(10/10/2003), since 2000, more than 24 lawsuits have been filed against the display of the 10 Commandments and more are filed each month. Now, the target is to remove crosses from city seals. Thelatest ACLU lawsuit is against Virginia Beach for a cross on its city seal. Jay Sekulow, head of the American Centerfor Law & Justice discussed this attempt to remove allreligious symbols from public life on ?The O?Reilly Fac-tor? on June 24, 2004. Sekulow told O?Reilly, ?...the ACLU is really on a vendetta of trying to remove everyreligious reference from any city seal, from our mottos.?Sekulow says this is a campaign specifically targeted againstChristian symbols. He notes that in California, students are required to read the Koran in school and the ACLU has no problem with this. In New York City, public schools were forced to remove all Christian symbols of Christ-mas but not Jewish Menorahs or the Islamic Star and Crescent for Ramadan?and the ACLU didn?t object. Se-kulow predicts that the ACLU will eventually sue cities like ?Corpus Christi? to change their names because itmeans ?Body of Christ.?The ACLU Defends Porn, Molesters, And Gay Agenda The ACLU claims that it defends the First Amendment?s guarantee of free speech when it defends pornographyand opposes filtering systems on library computers.ACLU leader Nadine Strossen is author of Defending Por-nography: Free Speech, Sex, and the Fight for Women?s Rights. In a lecture to University of Minnesota law stu-dents in 2001, she said: ?My strong opposition to censor-ing pornography flows from my values as president of theACLU, an activist and as a feminist. Not only does it cen-sor free speech, it undermines women?s rights.?The ACLU also claims it is defending freedom of speechwhen it defends the North American Man-Boy Love As-sociation (NAMBLA) for its role in promoting the sexualabuse of children on its web site. The ACLU is defending this pedophile group for its part in encouraging two ho-mosexuals to kill and later sodomize 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley in Boston in 1997. And, the ACLU?s Lesbian and Gay Rights Project lobbies for homosexual adoption, le-galization of homosexual marriage, pro-homosexual re-cruitment programs in public schools, and sued in 2003to force a family-friendly parade in Hawaii to include ho-mosexuals. With a homosexual activist leading the ACLU, it is not surprising that this organization is funding anti-Christianlawsuits and promoting the homosexual agenda. Roger Bald-win would be proud of the misguided legacy he has left be-hind.?? the ACLU is ? on a vendetta ? to removeevery religious reference from any city seal, fromout mottos.? ? American Center for Law & Jus-tice leader, Jay Sekulow.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:c0-zErgmnsgJ:www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/ACLU.pdf+anti+aclu+christian&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

Being anti-Christian implies that they intend to specifically attack Christianity as an end of itself. As Roger Baldwin (a co-founder of the ACLU) said of the goals of the ACLU:

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. I don't regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted, and I traveled the United Front road to get it.
The ACLU's actions are a part of a political worldview they hold. It was founded by communists and though many members and lawyers would say they aren't communist today that foundation influences the way they look at things. They are militant privacy advocates and anti-government to the point of wanting to take away valid tools from law enforcement. This is why they helped Rush Limbaugh, not because they support his speech, but because their causes temporarily aligned when the Florida prosecutor's office seized his medical records unjustly. That is not to say that the government is lily white when it comes to privacy, but to say that monitoring phone calls of suspected terrorists leads to a police state is ludicrous and scare-mongering.

The ACLU attacks the traditional foundation of the family in society. This is why they fight against parental notification of abortions, school choice, and the parent's role in educating their children. In fact, they attack traditional forms of authority beyond that of the state. In communist nations, the state is the highest authority and all needs and actions must be made in connection with what is best for the state. That is why you can talk about purges and gulags and communists don't flinch. Communism requires them.

Their attacks on Christianity aren't designed to eradicate Christianity, per se. They are designed to establish a social order (or more appropriately destroy the existing order) and customs that advance their ideas and Christianity isn't a part of it. In short, they aren't anti-Christian in intent, they are anti-Christian in effect.

http://jcb.pentex-net.com/archives/2005/09/is_the_aclu_ant.html

 Abdurahman Alamoudi, an alleged senior terrorist operative, is behind bars on an 18-count indictment. But he can take satisfaction in the fact that a court in California has just given the green light to schools following ACLU?s religion-in-the-classroom guidelines, which he helped to formulate.

A federal judge judge has now upheld the constitutionality of an intensive three-week course in California government schools that requires children to choose a Muslim name, wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Koraan, pray to Allah, play ?jihad games, and simulate worship activities related to the Five Pillars of Islam.?


The next step: likely an appeal to the notoriously left-wing 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which deems the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional.


But hasn't American Civil Liberties Union lectured us that religious instruction in school violates what it describes as ?separation of church and state? (a phrase that appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution)? Read on. That injunction seems to depend on which religion is involved.


The guidelines in ACLU's document is in effect a warning (some would say an implied threat) to schools as to how they can avoid legal challenges from the same ACLU on church/state issues in the classroom.


Alamoudi, founder and former executive director of American Muslim Council, was jailed last fall on charges that include taking money believed to come from a charity Libya has used to support terror, taking $340,000 in cash with the intent to bring it to Syria from London. It is also believed some of the money was to be taken to Saudi Arabia (or Saudi accounts) and from there to organizations of influence the United States. The charges include money-laundering, misuse of a passport and failure to report bank accounts.


J. Michael Waller, Annenberg Professor of International Communications at the Institute of World Politics, believes Alamoudi?s arrest ?may have ripped the lid off an international support network in Washington that operated to finance terrorists inside the United States and abroad,? according to Insight magazine...ACLU has confirmed to NewsMax that Alamoudi in fact represented American Muslim Council among the organizations that helped craft the ACLU document ?Religion In The Public Schools: A Joint Statement of Current Law.?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/1/13/172143.shtml

I could go on and on, but time is fleeting...

You are certianly free to contribute to this nefarious orgnaization. I, too, contribute. To http://www.aclj.org/

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Re: Thank you, ACLU
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2007, 10:49:12 PM »
Sirs, I have no idea what you're talking about.  In my post I said they represented people who were of  various religions, or no religions, etc.  If you have a source to back up anything you've said ,  please do post it.

They have defended a few Christinas in order to add to their PR campaign. I know, I have a friend who used to be an attorney there. It is all a facade. They are as anti-Christian a bunch as I have ever seen. Definitley at least a principality in charge there, at the least.


What is "a principality"?

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2007, 10:58:05 PM »
And Zapata was no Brando, and Zapata's speechwriter was no Steinbeck. (For all we know, indeed, Zapata might have found himself a GWB at governing and in a moment of chastening, retreated to the hills to see how things developed.) From WIKIPEDIA:

"The 1910 Revolution
At this time, Porfirio D?az was being threatened by the candidacy of Francisco I. Madero. Zapata made quiet alliances with Madero, whom he perceived to be the best chance for genuine change in the country of Mexico.

"In 1910, unrest finally broke out in the formation of guerrilla bands. Zapata quickly took an important role, becoming the general of an army that formed in Morelos ? the Ej?rcito Libertador del Sur (Liberation Army of the South).

"Zapata joined Madero?s campaign against President Diaz. With the support of Pancho Villa, Pascual Orozco, Emiliano Zapata, and rebellious peons, Madero overthrew D?az in May of 1911 in the battle at Ciudad Juarez. A provisional government was formed under Francisco Leon de la Barra. Under Madero, some new land reforms were carried out and elections were to be ensured. However, Zapata was dissatisfied with Madero's stance on land reform, and was unable, despite repeated efforts, to make him understand the importance of the issue or to get him to act on it. Madero and Zapata?s relations worsened during the summer of 1911 as Madero appointed a governor who supported plantation owners and refused to meet Zapata?s agrarian goals. Compromises between the two failed in November 1911, days after Madero appointed himself President, and Zapata and Monta?o fled to the mountains of southwest Puebla. There they formed the most radical reform plan in Mexico; the Plan de Ayala.

"Zapata was partly influenced by an anarchist from Oaxaca named Ricardo Flores Mag?n. The influence of Flores Mag?n on Zapata can be seen in the Zapatistas' Plan de Ayala, but even more noticeably in their slogan "Tierra y libertad" or "land and liberty", the title and maxim of Flores Mag?n's most famous work. Zapata's introduction to anarchism came via a local schoolteacher, Otilio Monta?o S?nchez ? later a general in Zapata's army, executed on 17 May 1917 ? who exposed Zapata to the works of Peter Kropotkin and Flores Mag?n at the same time as Zapata was observing and beginning to participate in the struggles of the peasants for the land.

"The plan proclaimed the Zapatista demands for ?land, liberty, and justice?. Zapata also declared the Zapatistas as a counter-revolution and denounced Madero. Zapata mobilized his Liberation Army and allied with former Maderistas Pascual Orozco and Emiliano Vazquez Gomez. Orozco was from Chihuahua, near the U.S. border, and thus was able to aid the Zapatistas with a supply of arms.

"Madero, alarmed, asked Zapata to disarm and demobilize. Zapata responded that, if the people could not win their rights now, when they were armed, they would have no chance once they were unarmed and helpless. Madero sent several generals in an attempt to deal with Zapata, but these efforts had little success.


"Revolution against Huerta and Carranza
 
"Madero was soon overthrown by Victoriano Huerta, a former porfirista general, who granted amnesty to D?az and suppressed resistance to land reforms. General Huerta murdered Madero in February of 1913. In May, Huerta closed the House of the World Worker, which was largely made up of intellectual radicals including Antonio Diaz Soto y Gama. The peasant reaction to this increased the size of Zapata's forces considerably, and also gave rise to a new group in the north: the Villistas under Pancho Villa. The Villistas were mainly composed of Madero supporters. Zapata at first was hesitant to meet with Villa, after Villa vehemently rejected the Plan de Ayala when a Zapatista introduced him to the concept in prison.

"Opposition to Huerta coalesced under Venustiano Carranza, who led a Constitutionalist faction with which both Villa and Zapata eventually allied. These forces proved too much for Huerta and he was quickly deposed. Following his defeat, the Constitutionalists set up a convention to decide the form of the new government. Zapata refused to attend the convention, pointing out that none of the attendees had been elected. Instead, the chiefs in Morelos sent a delegation to present the Plan de Ayala for consideration and observe the convention.

"Soon thereafter Carranza had himself made head of the government, which sparked further outrage. Initially, Carranza commanded the loyalty of ?lvaro Obreg?n, who suppressed the Villista guerrillas. The Zapatistas, however, remained mobilised, but grew increasingly fractured after many long years of campaigning, in which Gen. Pablo Gonzalez, appointed by Carranza in 1916 to recover the State of Morelos from Zapata's control, hanged many peasants and destroyed property all over the state, with no effect since Zapata's forces continued to fight, even recovering the city of Cuernavaca by mid-1917.

"The Carranza regime ultimately put a bounty on Zapata's head, expecting disenfranchised Zapatistas to betray him. It also attempted to entice away the other chiefs in the Zapatista army; neither action proved successful.


"Death
 
"Although government forces could never completely defeat Zapata in battle, he fell victim to a carefully staged ambush by Gen. Pablo Gonzalez and his lieutenant, Col. Jes?s Guajardo.

"Guajardo proposed Gonzalez feign a defection to Zapata's forces. Gonzalez agreed, and to make the defection appear sincere, he arranged for Guajardo to attack a Federal column, killing 57 soldiers. Zapata subsequently agreed to receive a messenger from Guajardo, to arrange a meeting to speak about Guajardo's defection.

"On April 10, 1919, Guajardo invited Zapata to a meeting, intimating that he intended to defect to the revolutionaries. However, when Zapata arrived at the Hacienda de San Juan, in Chinameca, Ayala municipality, Guajardo's men riddled him with bullets. They then took his body to Cuautla to claim the bounty, where they are reputed to have been given only half of what was promised.

"Following Zapata's death, the Liberation Army of the South slowly fell apart, although Zapata's heir apparent Gildardo Maga?a and many other Zapata adherents went on to political careers as representatives of Zapatista causes and positions in the Mexican army and government. Some of his former generals like Genovevo de la O allied with Obreg?n while others eventually disappeared after Carranza was deposed.


"Legacy

"Zapata's influence, however, lasts to this day, particularly in revolutionary tendencies in south Mexico. Most notably, a revolutionary movement of indigenous peoples that emerged in the state of Chiapas in 1994 gave themselves the name Zapatista Army of National Liberation (Ej?rcito Zapatista de Liberaci?n Nacional or EZLN in Spanish) in honor of Zapata and are colloquially known as "the Zapatistas".

"In the folklore of the people of Morelos, there is a widespread belief that Zapata did not die, that the corpse was that of a friend posing as Zapata, and that Zapata fled to some foreign land where he later died of old age.

"Modern activists in Mexico frequently make reference to Zapata in their campaigns, his image is commonly seen on banners and many chants invoke his name- Si Zapata viviera con nosotros andar?a, "If Zapata lived, he would walk with us." Zapata vive, la lucha sigue, "Zapata lives; the struggle continues."

"Zapata is considered to be one of the outstanding national heroes of Mexico; many Mexican popular organizations, including the Zapatistas, a current revolutionary movement based in the state of Chiapas, take their name from him. Towns, streets, and housing developments called "Emiliano Zapata" are common across the country and he has, at times, been depicted on Mexican banknotes. There are controversies on the portrayal of Emiliano Zapata and his followers, on whether they were bandits or revolutionaries. But in modern times Zapata is one of the most revered national heroes of Mexico. Conservative media nicknamed Zapata ?The Attila of the South?. To many Mexicans, specifically the peasant and indigenous citizens, Zapata was a practical revolutionary who sought the implementation of liberties and agrarian rights outlined in the Plan of Ayala. He was a realist with the goal of achieving political and economic emancipation of the peasants in southern Mexico, and leading them out of severe poverty.

Z"apata has in the last few decades been recast as a quasi-religious icon as well, mostly within indigenous or Zapatista communities, where he is called "Vot?n Zapata." Vot?n (Wot?n in modern Mayan spelling) is a Mayan god, who with his twin brother Ik'al was said to have descended from the mountains to teach the people to defend themselves. A part of Our Word is Our Weapon by Subcomandante Marcos of the EZLN is dedicated to Vot?n Zapata.


"In popular culture


"Zapata has been depicted in and referred to numerous times in popular culture, such as comics, books, music, movies and more. Most notably he was played by Marlon Brando, in the 1952 American adaptation of the hero, in the film Viva Zapata. Most recently his story was told in the Spanish and Nahuatl languages in Alfonso Arau's movie titled Zapata: The Dream of a Hero (2004), starring Alejandro Fern?ndez. There is also a film genre named after him, Zapata Western. Numerous towns, locations, and schools are named for Zapata. Also, many boys are given the name "Emiliano" in his honor."

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WHERE ARE THE SIMILARITIES TO 21st CENTURY US? HOW IS THE US ELECTORATE COMPARABLE TO INDIGENOUS, GROSSLY-EXPLOITED AND -NEGLECTED MEXICAN PEASANTS. (We have pockets, of course, but our populace is very different and markedly more mobile.)


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Re: Thank you, ACLU
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2007, 11:35:03 PM »
<<What is a 'principality'?>>

from Celestial hierarchy:

Principalities: are the head of the final choir and preside over the third hierarchy.  They guide and protect the world's nations, towns and cities, directly watch over the mortal world and are executive in regard to the visible world of men.  Religion and of politics are also guarded by them and, "as such, they are assumed to be given more freedom to act than the lesser angels below them and are responsible for carrying out divine acts concerning their area of jurisdiction. Finally, they are given to the task of managing the duties of the angels."

St. Thomas says of them:
"The execution of the angelic ministrations consists in announcing divine things. Now, in the execution of any action there are beginners and leaders; this-the leadership-belongs to the Principalities."

http://www.paranormality.com/celestial_hierarchy.shtml#Principalities
(I'm a bit surprised that the Professor can discern a Principality when he sees one.  Me, I just leave a place set at the table, just in case...)
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