As the campaign's start to speed up.....

[Plane]

    Why do President Clinton and President Obama think that ordering the attack on Osama Bin Laden was a difficult decision?

    If a Seal called President Plane and told me that he had Osama Bin Laden in his sights I would have asked what he was waiting for, Christmass?


    BTW has anyone checked lately to see if the Skull and Bones frat has any new ones?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Why do President Clinton and President Obama think that ordering the attack on Osama Bin Laden was a difficult decision?

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Because it could fail, as Carter's attack on Desert One failed, and that would have been political ruinous. Obama wisely requested two extra helicopters and 24 backup Seals to assure that this did not happen.

He clearly did the right thing. Read Time magazine's report on this.

[sirs]

The decision to take out Bin Laden, when they had confirmation of his location, was a no-brainer.  There's no doubt what-so-ever that under a President Romney, he too would have said yes, to taking him out, despite how out of context you and your Obamination ilk take Romney's previous coments

Amazing though that the fella narrating the asanine inferring ad (Clinton), himself DID say "no" to taking out Bin Laden, not once, but IIRC, 3times

[Xavier_Onassis]

Romney said what Romney said.

You cannot unsay what Romney said.

Had the attack failed, you would be blaming Obama, NOT the Seals.

[sirs]

Of course I can't undo what Romney said......who would?  IN CONTEXT it was clear that the war on Terror was the bigger picture, but at no time did Romney infer anything other than also the need to take out Bin Laden

This taking out of context what Romney was saying is ranking right up there now with what was said about Mushroom clouds.

And yea, I probably would blame Obama had the mission failed, depending on WHY the mission failed.  If it was due to faulty intel, that's one thing.  If it was due to mechanical error or human error by one or more of the Seals, quite another. 

Of course, that's all irrelevent, since it did succeed, and OBAMA DOES GET CREDIT FOR MAKING THE MOST OBVIOUS DECISION HE COULD HAVE MADE AS PRESIDENT.  The idiocy is trying to claim Romney wouldn't have given the go ahead, when all facts and rhetoric would deduce otherwise, is what's currently relevent

[sirs]

Remember this?:

It was announced on Wednesday that President Barack Obama has decided that he will not release the photos of Osama bin Laden's body to the public in order to prevent a threat to U.S. national security, The Vancouver Sun reports. Obama likened the release of the classified photos to spiking a football after a touchdown.

"It is very important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody that was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool," Obama said on 60 Minutes. "That's not who we are. We don't trot this stuff out as trophies.

"The fact of the matter is this was somebody who was deserving of the justice that he received, and I think Americans and people around the world are glad that he is gone. But we don't need to spike the football."

Some have already opposed President Obama's decision, citing that the public exposure of the photos would not only provide proof of bin Laden's death, but would also serve as a threat to other terrorists.

"Show photo as warning to others seeking America's destruction," former Alaska governor Sarah Palin wrote on her Twitter page. "No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama;it's part of the mission."

However, Obama insists that the bin Laden is indeed dead, and providing the photographic proof is not necessary to ease the minds of Americans.

"There is no doubt that Osama bin Laden is dead. Certainly there is no doubt among al-Qaeda members that he is dead," Obama said. "So we don't think that a photograph in and of itself is going to make any difference. There are going to be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is, you will not see bin Laden walking on this Earth again."

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So, spiking the football....when it's politically convenient, but not in celebration of the death of the man responsible for 9/11. Okay     

[Xavier_Onassis]

I know that you would have been blaming Obama no matter what caused any error had this mission failed.

You are still blathering about how Juniorbush did not lie about his motives for invading Iraq.

[sirs]

You're "knowing" just keeps reinforcing how wrong you'd be.  Chalk this up to projection on your part, where nothing Bush could have done was right.

And no, I'm comparing the desperate idiocy of taking words out of context, be it Bush then or Romney now.  A trademark of the left

[Plane]

I know that you would have been blaming Obama no matter what caused any error had this mission failed.

You are still blathering about how Juniorbush did not lie about his motives for invading Iraq.

   That Bush lied is a matter of faith, not fact.

     That Bush would have made the same call to shoot Osama down I little doubt.
      President Obama has followed through on a lot of Bush plans,
                    after he became President the wisdom must have become more apparent.
      Govenor Romney had a good line on this , even Carter would have made the same call in the same circumstance.
      Clinton thinks it was a hard decision, perhaps because years ago when he was offered this same choice he decided the other way.
                           But this is mostly because Clinton is more than commonly craven.

        I think that Obama does deserve credit for making the right call, but does this imply a serious criticism of Clinton who when offered the same choice flubbed it?
        I would not mind admitting that Barak Obama is a better president than Bill Clinton, if you would not mind admitting that he is better because he is more like Bush than he is like Clinton.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I don't actually care whether he is "better than Clinton". No one is handing out prizes here.

Clinton was a far better president overall than Juniorbush. Perhaps Juniorbush was slightly better at not killing OBL than Clinton, but what is the point? Neither one accomplished anything successful with regard to this. Obama had better technology and intelligence than either of them.

[Plane]

Better tecnology maybe.


But the Intelligence and tecnology President Obama has for use is the product of earlyer administrations efforts.

Lets all feel sad for the next president who will have to make do with the defense and intelligence President Obama leaves .

[sirs]

Better tecnology maybe.  But the Intelligence and tecnology President Obama has for use is the product of earlyer administrations efforts.

BINGO.......especially that of the EIT's.  It's easy to deduce that without the interventions placed by messers, and especially Bush II, Obama would have had no firicken clue where Bin Laden was

Lets all feel sad for the next president who will have to make do with the defense and intelligence President Obama leaves .

I'm actually far more concerned about the economy & debt he's going to leave Romney & generations of our children with.  But you do make a good point....as ususal     

[sirs]

53,000 Dead Voters Found in Florida

How could 53,000 dead voters have sat on the polls for so long?  Simple. Because Florida hadn’t been using the best available data revealing which voters have died.  Florida is now using the nationwide Social Security Death Index for determining which voters should be purged because they have died.

Here is the bad news.  Most states aren’t using the same database that Florida is.  In fact, I have heard reports that some election officials won’t even remove voters even when they are presented with a death certificate.  That means that voter rolls across the nation still are filled with dead voters, even if Florida is leading the way in detecting and removing them.

But surely people aren’t voting in the names of dead voters, the voter fraud deniers argue.  Wrong.

Consider the case of Lafayette Keaton.  Keaton not only voted for a dead person in Oregon, he voted for his dead son.  Making Keaton’s fraud easier was Oregon’s vote by mail scheme, which has opened up gaping holes in the integrity of elections.  The incident in Oregon just scratches the surface of the problem.  Massachusetts and Mississippi are but two other examples of the dead rising on election day.

Florida should be applauded for taking the problem seriously, even if Eric Holder’s Justice Department and many state election officials don’t

[Xavier_Onassis]

Consider the case of Lafayette Keaton.  Keaton not only voted for a dead person in Oregon, he voted for his dead son.  Making Keaton’s fraud easier was Oregon’s vote by mail scheme, which has opened up gaping holes in the integrity of elections.  The incident in Oregon just scratches the surface of the problem.

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So the net result is that now Oregon is being run by a dead guy who won the election only because of the fraudulent vote of his son?

What is your point? That zombies will be elected unless stringent measures are taken?

Oregon could disqualify the deceased with SS records. I see no problem with that.

[sirs]

The point is there's still a major amount of voter fraud being pushed.  The point is a simple photo ID would prevent much of it.  The point is, the left, as exemplified by yourslef, have yet to explain how photo ID's to confirm valid voting is detrimental to legitimate voting.  In fact, what you keep perpetuating, with this thread, is that how detrimental to Democrats, if such fraud was brought to a halt using simple valid photo ID's