Was Zimmerman a Home-Grown Militant?

[Christians4LessGvt]

This incident never should have happened. Fault can, at this time, be found in all camps. The watchman, the young teenager, and the police. I think we can agree, this is a tragedy, and in response to tragedy we should search for ways to lessen the possibility of it happening again. BSB

That is actually quite well stated.....
And as discussed earlier
I think in most cases it may be wise for neighborhood watch folks
to carry tear gas/pepper spray
i saw a show recently that showed a wild attacking
bear was stopped by a hiker with pepper spray

[Xavier_Onassis]

Whatever you want to say about gun nuts and their rights. Loughner and Zimmerman had no business walking around with guns. No crime was prevented by this, and people are dead because of it.

[sirs]

And there are FAR more people saved and alive due to folks "walking around with guns".  (and no, that's not specific to Law Enforcement).  Them damn pesky FACTS

[Xavier_Onassis]

Facts from the Bizarro World of sirs.

[sirs]

No, those would be FACTS from the FBI.  And no, I don't work there either.  they've been provided to folks like yourself, many a time before, that you so deftly ignore, and move on to calling other people names

[Xavier_Onassis]

Bull!\

I don't believe that any statistics even exist.

When people pull out a gun, they don't call the cops. And they could cal the cops even when there was no reason to do so and report something that never happened.

Just NRA propaganda.

[sirs]

I know...I know....facts to a diehard toe tag letist is like kryponite to superman.  When crimes are prevented, FREQUENTLY the cops are called.  But that's besides the point. 

Facts (not mine, not Plane's, not Cu4's), generated by the FBI, have proven that FAR more crimes are prevented by the mere brandishing of a gun, than lives taken by the use of a gun.  And when suicide #'s are taken out, that numer jumps even higher

Not to mention the FACT (again, not mine, but the FBI's), that there is far more violent crime in areas with much greater gun restrictions, than locations with much more permissive gun laws (meaning the areas where more legal "people walking around with guns" have less violent crime and deaths than those areas were less people are allowed to "walk around with guns")

Sorry, FBI's facts, not mine

[Xavier_Onassis]

It's bullshit.

[Christians4LessGvt]

It's bullshit.

No it's not.
There are countless crimes not committed because bad guys fear they could be shot.
I know...I actually know from personal experience.
In high school we pulled a lot of shenanigans.....I was jailed twice
the only thing that prevented us from really "going over the top" was fear of being shot
there is no doubt we would have broken in houses, or drove cars into houses/garages
except the fear of getting shot....
it is actually total "bullshit" for you to proclaim the bad guys dont fear "getting shot"
they are held back from countless crimes...things like home invasions, robbery, burglary, ect...
for fear of being shot
and those stats never get categorized because "things that don't happen" don't get counted
but it's insanity to pretend that fear does not exist.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I did not say that bad guys, like yourself, do not fear being shot.

I said that unrestricted carrying of guns are not likely to lower the rate at which people get shot.

This "stand your ground" law has resulted in a lot of gangsters using it.

In Florida, if you point your gun at some guy, that is a three year mandatory sentence.

On the other hand, if you shoot the guy and claim self-defense, you just say you felt threatened, and it's alley-alley oxen free.

Now that I know more about you, I am even MORE sure that having you packing heat does not make me feel safer.

[Christians4LessGvt]

I did not say that bad guys, like yourself, do not fear being shot.

That was many, many moons ago....and I only thought I was!

Now that I know more about you, I am even MORE sure that having you packing heat does
not make me feel safer.

I dont "pack heat"....I pack pepper spray.
but if you break into my home then you may get 'kilt"!
And it isnt brain surgery that the bad guys know that.....

[Xavier_Onassis]

I do not engage in home burglary.

[Plane]

I do not engage in home burglary.

I don't think you would volenteer to be involvewd in a burgulary, but if you have a home or car you can be involved in one as easily as anyone elese.
Unless you have a big sign in frount of your house that proclaims its gun free status , you benefit from the commonness of guns in your community.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I have nothing to steal in my home that would not give a thief a hernia to try to steal.

I have bars on the windows and the neighbor has a loud dog.

[Christians4LessGvt]

I have a monitored alarm system and sleep with a SW 38 special under the covers
and in my master closet I have a non-auto AK47 with Clinton banned 30 round clip
the only fear i ever have...and it's really not like I live in fear...I sleep like a baby
but my biggest concern as far as crime....is a home invasion
i will be fine as long as i have just a few seconds....they will get hellfire!
worst case...i dont want to wake up with a 6.3 monkey at the end of my bed with a baseball bat