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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: kimba1 on March 03, 2010, 02:15:45 PM
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http://www.freep.com/article/20100303/NEWS07/3030349/1001/news/Postal-Service-it-may-drop-Saturday-mail-to-save-cash (http://www.freep.com/article/20100303/NEWS07/3030349/1001/news/Postal-Service-it-may-drop-Saturday-mail-to-save-cash)
can`t feel too bad about it, since the cause is a dramatic decrease of junkmail.
also I never did think it`s a good idea for mail to come in saturday.
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http://www.freep.com/article/20100303/NEWS07/3030349/1001/news/Postal-Service-it-may-drop-Saturday-mail-to-save-cash (http://www.freep.com/article/20100303/NEWS07/3030349/1001/news/Postal-Service-it-may-drop-Saturday-mail-to-save-cash)
can`t feel too bad about it, since the cause is a dramatic decrease of junkmail.
also I never did think it`s a good idea for mail to come in saturday.
that screws up netflix
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maybe
they also don`t do holidays
i tried for a month to get the maximun amount of vids and actually saturday tends to not factor as much.
mailed saturday it sometimes comes in tuesday.
so fri,sat. mailing tends mix.
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it's funny kimba....as a businessman I am doing just the opposite.
during this really rough economic time...
I am adding services.....not cutting service.
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if your adding services,then your risking a very big danger that your busness is growing.
not a popular trend these days.
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The only reason why the USPS does not make money is that it is required by Congress to deliver tons of junk mail and other unsolicited stuff like catalogs at far below cost.
If your business is losing money doing X, doing more X will simply lose more money.
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if your adding services,then your risking a very big danger that your busness is growing.
not a popular trend these days.
Uh?
You lost me with that.
We are offering new services after asking our clients what services they would like us to additionally offer.
You really have two options in this economy....shrink or figure out new ways to replace lost revenue.
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The only reason why the USPS does not make money is that it is required by Congress to deliver tons of junk mail and other unsolicited stuff like catalogs at far below cost.
Actually, the USPS solicits those because it makes more money on those than on regular mail. But since you claim that it's mandated by Congress to provide that service at below cost, I'm sure you can provide the reference to the appropriate law in the US Code or regulation in the Code of Federal Regulations.
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if your adding services,then your risking a very big danger that your busness is growing.
not a popular trend these days.
Uh?
You lost me with that.
We are offering new services after asking our clients what services they would like us to additionally offer.
You really have two options in this economy....shrink or figure out new ways to replace lost revenue.
yes to that and in addition try and take up the slack where other business are failing, not to mention replace businesses that have gone under.
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The only reason why the USPS does not make money is that it is required by Congress to deliver tons of junk mail and other unsolicited stuff like catalogs at far below cost.
Actually, the USPS solicits those because it makes more money on those than on regular mail. But since you claim that it's mandated by Congress to provide that service at below cost, I'm sure you can provide the reference to the appropriate law in the US Code or regulation in the Code of Federal Regulations.
*cues jeapordy theme*
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the lost in revenue would probly the flat rate of the postage.
44cents for a letter to anyplace in the U.S.
but note that the link mention they are doing this because junk mail is going down.
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but note that the link mention they are doing this because junk mail is going down.
Which shows that junk mail is subsidizing regular mail, not the other way around.
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Actually, the USPS solicits those because it makes more money on those than on regular mail. But since you claim that it's mandated by Congress to provide that service at below cost, I'm sure you can provide the reference to the appropriate law in the US Code or regulation in the Code of Federal Regulations.
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Of course, the legislation does not mention this in such words, but a piece of junk mail weighs as much or more than a 44 cent letter and often weighs more or takes up more space. I suggest YOU provide proof that the USPS makes more per item on junk mail and catalogs than than it does on a 44 cent letter.
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Of course, the legislation does not mention this in such words, but a piece of junk mail weighs as much or more than a 44 cent letter and often weighs more or takes up more space.
Of course, you're forgetting processing. Junk mail is generally delivered to the final distribution center, pre-sorted in "carrier route walking order". So, while the USPS charges less for delivering this type of mail, they also have to do no work other than actually put it in your mailbox. The junk mail sender handles the cost of transport, sorting, etc. and the USPS basically hands it to the carrier because all the work is done.
I suggest YOU provide proof that the USPS makes more per item on junk mail and catalogs than than it does on a 44 cent letter.[/b]
Will you take it from the Postmaster General himself?
"[Third class junk mail] is not a word we use," admits Postmaster Potter in an interview on NPR's Diane Rehm Show (http://wamu.org/programs/dr/09/10/06.php#28800). "It pays our bills. When you think about mail service to your door, it's paid for by business. Ninety percent of the revenues that the postal service generates comes from business. We get over $15 billion in revenues from advertising."
Guess you missed that episode.
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I though junkmail simply gets charged bulkrate.
do they get a different charge than the regular folk with a bunch of mailings?
if you think about it 44cents might be on the high amount.
alot of businesses use postage meters which does NOT charge bulkrate.
so many businesses really pay more than they really need to.
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I though junkmail simply gets charged bulkrate.
Bulkrate is for clubs and "normal" people who mail out newsletters or whatever. High volume mailers get more of a discount, but they also have to do more work.
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Of course, (now being used in place of obviously) the legislation does not mention this in such words, but a piece of junk mail weighs as much or more than a 44 cent letter and often weighs more or takes up more space. I suggest YOU provide proof that the USPS makes more per item on junk mail and catalogs than than it does on a 44 cent letter.
Will you take it from the Postmaster General himself?
"[Third class junk mail] is not a word we use," admits Postmaster Potter in an interview on NPR's Diane Rehm Show (http://wamu.org/programs/dr/09/10/06.php#28800). "It pays our bills. When you think about mail service to your door, it's paid for by business. Ninety percent of the revenues that the postal service generates comes from business. We get over $15 billion in revenues from advertising."
Guess you missed that episode.
D"OH ;D
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Mail from business that pays its way are bills from utilities and credit card companies and the like.
"Occupant" addressed mail and mail for "Our Friends at 742 Evergreen Terrace" does NOT pay its way. The Postmaster General is not going to badmouth anyone. But this does not change the facts.
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"Occupant" addressed mail and mail for "Our Friends at 742 Evergreen Terrace" does NOT pay its way. The Postmaster General is not going to badmouth anyone. But this does not change the facts.
"We get over $15 billion in revenues from advertising."
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"Occupant" addressed mail and mail for "Our Friends at 742 Evergreen Terrace" does NOT pay its way. The Postmaster General is not going to badmouth anyone. But this does not change the facts.
And what "facts" would those be??
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Our Friends at 742 Evergreen Terrace
I`ve never seen that one
but I have seen a varient of it and it`s been over a decade since I`ve seen it.
probly because it may of been a unprofitable type of advertisement.
junkmail itself is a gamble due to how it`s presented
I worked in this lawfirm which all obvious junkmail goes straight to the trash.
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"Occupant" addressed mail and mail for "Our Friends at 742 Evergreen Terrace" does NOT pay its way. The Postmaster General is not going to badmouth anyone. But this does not change the facts.
And what "facts" would those be??
LOL....see? Instead of taking substantive opportunities, in this debate forum, to discuss pertinent issues like reconciliation, attempt to defend the foundations of a horrible style of government, referred to as communism, or list these "facts" that would validate how the USPS is losing money, contrary to what the Postmaster General has put on record....naaaa, Xo can't be bothered with those trivial avenues, he needs to focus his time on calling people like myself or Kramer names.
I can't help envision that of a 4year old, who can't be bothered to clean his room, and instead jump up and down, having a little hissy fit for daring to be asked to clean his room
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The fact that the USPS gets $15 billion for delivering advertising is not a valid point if it costs $20 billion to deliver said junk mail. The Postmaster General is a politician and a businessman and would logically not badmouth a customer, even one that was costing him money.
No one has presented any convincing facts in this issue, least of all sirs.
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No one has presented any convincing facts in this issue, least of all sirs.
Not even the person writing the post to which I'm responding.
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uhm
for decades the postal service has been charging odd amounts(.44) to begin with.
I`m not really sure the postal service is losing money from the junkmail charges.
they would of noted the loss a long time ago anf adjust the cost awhile ago.
remember the rising cost would make them lose customers who cost them money.
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it's funny kimba....as a businessman I am doing just the opposite.
during this really rough economic time...
I am adding services.....not cutting service.
Does this capture market share?
I suppose that better run businesses have deeper resorces to bridge gaps in economic condition , perhaps preventing gaps in service and earning customer loyalty.
This might be an argument for allowing some businesses to die off now and then. Weaker and poorly run businesses get weeded out by economic droughts.
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not sure it`s would be called poorly run ,maybe just not compatable to present times.
ex. buggywhips
upon further thought I got a better understanding why cu is expanding services.
it would help him gather more income and I bet he`s looking over his original stuff to see if it needs to be mothballed
ex. a copyplace that converts real floppys
those machines are taking space that can be used for more in demand machines.
and also looking at which service is getting more demand and see if it can be encouraged to grow.
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not sure it`s would be called poorly run ,maybe just not compatable to present times.
ex. buggywhips
upon further thought I got a better understanding why cu is expanding services.
it would help him gather more income and I bet he`s looking over his original stuff to see if it needs to be mothballed
ex. a copyplace that converts real floppys
those machines are taking space that can be used for more in demand machines.
and also looking at which service is getting more demand and see if it can be encouraged to grow.
A well run business would keep track of what its customers need. I think that would be a part of being well run.
This may not be hard for businesses that can converse with their customers , but big business have to study the customer as if they were entimologists studying ant behavior.
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No one has presented any convincing facts in this issue, least of all sirs.
Not even the person writing the post to which I'm responding.
Which includes the specific question as to what are these "facts" he claimed present, when going off with ""Occupant" addressed mail and mail for "Our Friends at 742 Evergreen Terrace" does NOT pay its way. The Postmaster General is not going to badmouth anyone. But this does not change the facts"
I guess we have to assume he's referring to himself, when he references no convincing facts, in this issue
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A well run business would keep track of what its customers need>
I wish the museum I worked in did that.
but i learn the art world doesn`t as a rule cater to the patrons.
they steer people what is good and bad art and often they fail.
my museum had a Toulouse-Lautrec exhibit and thought he`s was a minor artist so they didn`t charge extra for him. that exhibit was packed
the director totally blew it
I`ve seen this happen quite abit.