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U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan
« on: September 11, 2007, 08:07:36 PM »
U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan
Tuesday , September 11, 2007

By James Rosen
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html

A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime, FOX News confirmed Tuesday.

Germany ? a pivotal player among three European nations to rein in Iran's nuclear program over the last two-and-a-half years through a mixture of diplomacy and sanctions supported by the United States ? notified its allies last week that the government of Chancellor Angela Merkel refuses to support the imposition of any further sanctions against Iran that could be imposed by the U.N. Security Council.

The announcement was made at a meeting in Berlin that brought German officials together with Iran desk officers from the five member states of the Security Council. It stunned the room, according to one of several Bush administration and foreign government sources who spoke to FOX News, and left most Bush administration principals concluding that sanctions are dead.

The Germans voiced concern about the damaging effects any further sanctions on Iran would have on the German economy ? and also, according to diplomats from other countries, gave the distinct impression that they would privately welcome, while publicly protesting, an American bombing campaign against Iran's nuclear facilities.

Germany's withdrawal from the allied diplomatic offensive is the latest consensus across relevant U.S. agencies and offices, including the State Department, the National Security Council and the offices of the president and vice president. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns, the most ardent proponent of a diplomatic resolution to the problem of Iran's nuclear ambitions, has had his chance on the Iranian account and come up empty.

Political and military officers, as well as weapons of mass destruction specialists at the State Department, are now advising Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the diplomatic approach favored by Burns has failed and the administration must actively prepare for military intervention of some kind. Among those advising Rice along these lines are John Rood, the assistant secretary for the Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation; and a number of Mideast experts, including Ambassador James Jeffrey, deputy White House national security adviser under Stephen Hadley and formerly the principal deputy assistant secretary for Near Eastern affairs.

Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, "everyone in town" is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely timeframe for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections.

The discussions are now focused on two basic options: less invasive scenarios under which the U.S. might blockade Iranian imports of gasoline or exports of oil, actions generally thought to exact too high a cost on the Iranian people but not enough on the regime in Tehran; and full-scale aerial bombardment.

On the latter course, active consideration is being given as to how long it would take to degrade Iranian air defenses before American air superiority could be established and U.S. fighter jets could then begin a systematic attack on Iran's known nuclear targets.

Most relevant parties have concluded such a comprehensive attack plan would require at least a week of sustained bombing runs, and would at best set the Iranian nuclear program back a number of years ? but not destroy it forever. Other considerations include the likelihood of Iranian reprisals against Tel Aviv and other Israeli population centers; and the effects on American troops in Iraq. There, officials have concluded that the Iranians are unlikely to do much more damage than they already have been able to inflict through their supply of explosives and training of insurgents in Iraq.

The Bush administration "has just about had it with Iran," said one foreign diplomat. "They tried the diplomatic process. China is now obstructing them at the U.N. Security Council and the Russians are tucking themselves behind them.

"The Germans are wobbling ?There are a number of people in the administration who do not want their legacy to be leaving behind an Iran that is nuclear armed, so they are looking at what are the alternatives? They are looking at other options," the diplomat said.

Vice President Cheney and his aides are said to be enjoying a bit of "schadenfreude" at the expense of Burns. A source described Cheney's office as effectively gloating to Burns and Rice, "We told you so. (The Iranians) are not containable diplomatically."

The next shoe to drop will be when Rice and President Bush make a final decision about whether to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and/or its lethal subset, the Quds Force, as a terrorist entity or entities. FOX News reported in June that such a move is under consideration.

Sources say news leaks about the prospective designation greatly worried European governments and private sector firms, which could theoretically face prosecution in American courts if such measures became law and these entities continued to do business with IRGC and its multiple financial subsidiaries.

If the Bush administration moves forward with such a designation, sources said, it would be an indication that Rice agrees that Burns' approach has failed. Designation of such a large Iranian military institution as a terrorist entity would also be seen, sources said, as laying the groundwork for a public justification of American military action.

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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2007, 09:36:46 PM »
In this arena, I earlier indicated I would present an attack plan. Due to cicumstances beyond my control, this is not now possible. My apologies.

That being said, anyone with half a brain can look up the missile capabilities of the US naval assets in the area. Guesses about other platforms can be drived as well, though not as readily.

Land asset determination is possibly not necessary.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2007, 09:37:47 AM by Mr_Perceptive »

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2007, 03:42:20 AM »
  If we planted mines all over the straights of Hormuz the mines can be remotely shut down , every day between 10:00 and 18:00.

  ships without permission of the USN should not approach he minefield and no ships should try to cross it during hours of curfew.

    Ships ready to be searched should form an orderly line at anchorage and prepare to preset bills of lading to US Coast guard crews that will be politely making permission to cross available.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2007, 09:45:20 AM »
If we planted mines all over the straights of Hormouz the mines can be remotely shut down , every day between 10:00 and 18:00.

   Shis without permission of the USN should not approach he minefeild and no ships should try to cross it during hours of curfew.

    Ships ready to be searched should form an orderly line at anchorage and prepare to preset bills of ladeing to US Coast guard crews that will be politely makeing permission to cross availible.
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The companies that provide maritime insurance are quite unlikely to do so if such a totally cockamamie plan were to be put in place.

The Juniorbushies are sufficiently moronic that no further lunacy is really required. They already hold the record for stupidity at planning wars or lack of same, as well as for utter ineptitude.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 10:18:17 AM »
  If we planted mines all over the straights of Hormouz the mines can be remotely shut down , every day between 10:00 and 18:00.

   Shis without permission of the USN should not approach he minefeild and no ships should try to cross it during hours of curfew.

    Ships ready to be searched should form an orderly line at anchorage and prepare to preset bills of ladeing to US Coast guard crews that will be politely makeing permission to cross availible.


We have the capability, on station, to prevent any such disrutpion of shipping and to control ALL shipping in this area, given the go ahead. The Iranians would not be able to pursue any foollhardy adventures without meering Allah in short order and retiring with the Virigins.

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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2007, 11:05:03 AM »
The US government cannot compel maritime insurance companies to insure vessels that sail through minefields.

They cannot compel tanker captains to sail through mine fields.

This is an asinine idea than will never take place.

Everyone would pay for this idiocy at the gas pump and those who managed to enact it would rightfully be pilloried from every convenient post.

Iran could prevent tankers from going through the Straits with a remarkable few well-placed missiles, sinki9ng tnem and blocking the route, perhaps a route through flaming oil.

Do not, I repeat, DO NOT quit your day job for that odf master tacticians. This is insane. And not going to happen.

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2007, 11:09:22 AM »
Actually, you are wrong. I am looking at the strait almost as I write this and if you contorl the waters and airspace around it, you have supreme contorl. Did you know an Aegis ship can shoot down any known anti-ship missile and many others with a naccuracy rate approaching 100%?

And in waritme situations, you can do whatever you want to commerical shipping, regulations be damned.

If the Iraninas tried, they would suffer for it greatly, if we have the politicla will to exact the punishment. We could not theoretically but pragmatically bomb them back ot the Stone Age as a People. Won't happen of ocurse, but we could set back their military for decades.

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2007, 12:34:17 PM »
We can't make the straight totally safe because very low tech drifting mines could be released from any where in the Gulf , minesweeping constantly would only reduce the risk , not eliminate it .

Our high tech mines would be a lot more effective , but what would our goal be ?

I don't expect mines to be used like this even though it would be easy to do , there is no one who wants the straights of Hormouz closed , it would make us and our allies uncomfortable and it would make the Oil exporters of the gulf bankrupt.

When anyone is talking about controll of the straight they should be aware that we already do , and the capability of closeing it is already in the hands of all partys involved , but closeing it would not be anything like a winning strategy for any one.

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2007, 02:25:07 PM »
Just wait and see.

If you have all the sea power and air power in the world, it will do you no good if the channel is blocked by sunken tankers and the surface is covered with flaming oil.

Again, the tankers will not sail through minefields, and no one will insure them. Nothing will pass if there are mines.

Hugo Chavez would love your plan, though. The Japanese will all hate your plan, on the other hand.

The Chinese would become pissed off, ande so would everyone with a car in the USA.

This is not going to happen.

Time will show you that this is true.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2007, 10:56:23 PM »
Just wait and see.

If you have all the sea power and air power in the world, it will do you no good if the channel is blocked by sunken tankers and the surface is covered with flaming oil.

Again, the tankers will not sail through minefields, and no one will insure them. Nothing will pass if there are mines.

Hugo Chavez would love your plan, though. The Japanese will all hate your plan, on the other hand.

The Chinese would become pissed off, ande so would everyone with a car in the USA.

This is not going to happen.

Time will show you that this is true.


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"...I don't expect mines to be used like this even though it would be easy to do , there is no one who wants the straights of Hormouz closed ...."

Yes the Iranians could have closed the straights , they could also have shot themselves .

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2007, 12:47:03 AM »
Perhaps this is all an ingenious plan by National Health advocates to block the transit of mid east oil forcing Americans to walk more and lose excess weight so as to be in better shape and less of a cost burden for the health care industry.


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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2007, 02:04:56 AM »
I think it's a tragic flaw in American policy planning to over-estimate their own abilities by a factor of 100 and to underestimate their opponents' cleverness and resourcefulness by a factor of 100.  These two flaws combine to give U.S. government planners an extremely unrealistic view of what will actually happen once their nefarious plans are set in motion.  I give you Iraq as a prime example.

I don't know how it will happen but XO has pointed out at least one plausible scenario - - if the U.S. attempts further military action in the Gulf against any sizeable opponent and especially against Iran, the consequences will be disastrous in one way or another, most likely on the cost of oil and also most likely in other areas as well.

If in the business world some executives had brought you a plan which, when put into effect, despite all assurances to the contrary, had turned into a total fucking disaster, how likely would you be  to accept their next plan, which promised a more-or-less similar tactic against another target in the same area, with the same assurances of quick and relatively easy victory?

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2007, 09:59:45 AM »
Perhaps this is all an ingenious plan by National Health advocates to block the transit of mid east oil forcing Americans to walk more and lose excess weight so as to be in better shape and less of a cost burden for the health care industry.



ha! Good one!

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2007, 10:01:14 AM »
I think it's a tragic flaw in American policy planning to over-estimate their own abilities by a factor of 100 and to underestimate their opponents' cleverness and resourcefulness by a factor of 100.  These two flaws combine to give U.S. government planners an extremely unrealistic view of what will actually happen once their nefarious plans are set in motion.  I give you Iraq as a prime example.

I don't know how it will happen but XO has pointed out at least one plausible scenario - - if the U.S. attempts further military action in the Gulf against any sizeable opponent and especially against Iran, the consequences will be disastrous in one way or another, most likely on the cost of oil and also most likely in other areas as well.

If in the business world some executives had brought you a plan which, when put into effect, despite all assurances to the contrary, had turned into a total fucking disaster, how likely would you be  to accept their next plan, which promised a more-or-less similar tactic against another target in the same area, with the same assurances of quick and relatively easy victory?

The amount of knowledge XO knows about military strategy could ift into his draft-deprived testacles. Ha!

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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2007, 03:37:00 PM »
The amount of knowledge XO knows about military strategy could ift into his draft-deprived testacles. Ha!

I know stupid when I see it.

I knew Vietnam was a totally lost cause that no number of soldiers could win, but that could have easily gotten me killed or maimed.
Dogdging the draft was a wise decision. It was an idiotic mission and was run by people who knew it was a fool's mission.

Iraq is another such fools' mission, only supersized.

Attacking Iran would be supersized, with a shake and fries and double bacon and cheese.

Using mines to block shipping in the Straits would guarantee major oil shortages throughout the world.

I will be retired by then. Perhaps I would profiteer by buying stocks in Exxon. I have a good bicycle and there is a supermarket three blocks from the house. I consider that a good strategy, but on a national level, attacking Iran would be a disaster even worse than Iraq. Juniorbush would be likely to end up with his head on a stick. Certainly most Americans would favor this as a reasonable way of punishing his stupidity, arrogance and towering incompetence.

But it won't happen. Someone would have to obey him, and I think he's run out of officers who would do this.
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