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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on April 08, 2008, 11:58:11 PM
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Ahmadinejad denies al Qaeda's 9/11 attack on America
April 8, 2008, 10:04 PM (GMT+02:00)
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In his most provocative anti-US speech to date, Iran?s president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad raised doubts about
whether al Qaeda's Sept. 11, 2001 attack on New York actually took place. He was addressing Iran's Nuclear
Technology day, April 8, DEBKAfile's Iranian sources report. He went on to ask why the US had never released the
names of the thousands of dead in the Trade Center attacks and how the most advanced security, intelligence and
tracking devices in the world had failed to detect the hijackers planes before they struck the two New York towers.
Ahmadinejad is famous also for denying the Nazi Holocaust.
Announcing earlier that Iran had begun installing 6,000 new advanced (P2) centrifuges for uranium enrichment
at Natanz, the Iranian president claimed his country's nuclear program had passed the point of no-return
technologically and politically.
America is disintegrating politically, militarily and economically, according to Ahmadinejad, who boasted that
Iran's nuclear achievement is a turning-point in history that will change the international order prevailing since
World War II.
He asked why everyone jumps on Iran's nuclear program when a band of international pirates has stores
crammed with nuclear bombs.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5179 (http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5179)
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The guy is a nut job. I think that's a pretty well established fact.
There are nut jobs in this country that think:
The government allowed 9/11 to happen
A missile was fired at the Pentagon
OK City was the work of the US government
Richard Nixon was forced out of office by a silent coup
I'm not sure what's newsworthy of this?
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He went on to ask why the US had never released the names of the thousands of dead in the Trade Center attacks
He must not have access to the Internet. Perhaps someone should print this off and mail him a hard copy?
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 VICTIMS (http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm)
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Apparently denying reality is a contagious disease.
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I remember some of the responses of the folks in the middle east when it happened.
saying it was a isreali attack ,but after Bin laden's video they pretty much keep quite.
I`m guessing that guy never saw the video
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I remember some of the responses of the folks in the middle east when it happened.
saying it was a isreali attack ,but after Bin laden's video they pretty much keep quite.
I`m guessing that guy never saw the video
If I had to guess, I'd say it is more political kimba. He's lost some popularity and this is how he wins back some of his base supporters. It is no different than a politician in this part of the country telling his constituents that the Mexicans are the source of most of what's wrong with this country today or some other politician blaming the Iraq War for everything that's wrong.
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Amedinejad is a demogogue.He knows what the average Iranian Joe believes and exploits this.
Juniorbush attacked Iraq and explained 9-11 in such a way that a majority of Americans believed that Iraq and Saddam were responsible for 9-11.
Juniorbush's PR people are more clever than Amedinejad, but then Americans pretty much invented modern propaganda and advertising during WWI, and have a head start.
Amedinejad is not saying this stuff to convince Americans. He is preaching to his followers, who are less educated Iranians.
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Funny in how "such a way" never actually can be connected to anything even remotely resembling "Saddam/Iraq were responsible for 911", much less even involved. But that's the the Anti-Bush, anti-war's specialty it appears. Prompt a false premice than provide facts & data that refute the false premice.
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He is preaching to his followers, who are less educated Iranians.
not a goodthing to say
less informed maybe ,but less educated "no"
the onething I`ve always defended is the intelligence of the people in the middle east .
saying their less educated imply this.
seriously the onething we can never afford is underestimating these folks.
very dangerous thinking
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The fact is that a majority of people thought that the Iraq War was in response to the 9-11 events, and it is certainly true that Juniorbush would have never managed to get authorization for the war had 9-11 not occurred. Again, the propaganda was masterfully done, though evil in purpose and outcome.
I did not say Iranians were stupid or less intelligent, and as far as I am concerned "less educated" and "less informed" are the same thing. Iran has a large number of educated people, but there is an even larger number who have no education beyond the rather inferior provicial secondary schools, and those are the people who elected Amedinejad and the ones he directs his rather silly diatribes to.
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The fact is....
The fact is that at NO TIME has Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, or even the diabolically evil Cheney, EVER made a reference, even in passing, that Saddam/Iraq were behind 911. Gloss over that fact all you want, I knew Saddam was never behind 911, most rational people knew, and at no time did Bush & Co ever lay claim to the opposite.
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SIRS it's the typical leftist banter
they can't just condemn Amedinejad and leave it at that
it must be implied that Amedinejad & President Bush are "kinda the same"
ya know "two peas in a pod"
I mean SIRS ya gotta get in some good ole America Bashing every chance ya get
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I mean SIRS ya gotta get in some good ole America Bashing every chance ya get
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Bashing the incompetent and warmongering Juniorbush and the evil Cheney is not bashing America.
It's more like bashing a couple of globs of pigeonsh*t on Michaelangelo's "David".
I love this country, and wish it had never had these two fools selected to lead it.
Amedinejad's nonsense is exactly like Juniorbush's saying "They hate us because they hate our freedoms".
Irrelevant, incorrect and stupid.
Amedinejad's stupid comments are worse only because the press in Iran is not as free as the press in the US, and he lacks subtlety because he lacks the handlers.
And say whatever you wish about how Juniorbush didn't claim that Iraq was invaded because of 9-11, the fact is that the war would never have happened if 9-11 had not taken place, and a majority of people polled in 2004 claimed that Saddam was the cause of 9-11 and the invasion of Iraq was punishment for same. Propaganda does not have to be direct, nor does it have to be logical. Look at what Discovercard puts in its ads (cash back! when a majority of their cardholders get whapped with a $39 fine for a 'late payment' that was in no way late, or a rate increase due to 'universal default', meaning their interest got run up from 5% to 21.9% because they paid their phone bill late, or how casinos advertise their "loose slots", "slots gone wild", and "These are the girls from South Florida, and THIS is their casino". The same advertising geniuses that wrote that copy wrote for Juniorbush.
Right in this forum we have clowns who seem to believe that Iraq was always a battleground of the bogus entity called the 'War on Terror', even though there were no threats from Al Qaeda in Iraq against the US previously.
The oligarchy lies, it lies all the time. In Iran the mullahs do the same, but they are aiming their disception at fellow Iranians, so it sounds more phony to us.
Bullshit in English nonetheless draws as many flies as bullshit in Farsi.
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and facts undisputed remain facts undisputed......with the current one being that AT NO TIME DID BUSH & CO EVER CLAIM SADDAM OR IRAQ WERE BEHIND 911
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And say whatever you wish about how Juniorbush didn't claim that Iraq was invaded because of 9-11, the fact is that the war would never have happened if 9-11 had not taken place, and a majority of people polled in 2004 claimed that Saddam was the cause of 9-11 and the invasion of Iraq was punishment for same.
The first is not a "fact" as I foresaw an invasion of Iraq as far back as 1995. The second just shows the likely bias of the poll takers.
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The government allowed 9/11 to happen
Not the WHOLE government, but some in the government, yes.
A missile was fired at the Pentagon
A missile WAS fired at the Pentagon. No plane ever hit the Pentagon.
OK City was the work of the US government
That's a new one to me but I do happen to know that OK City was not the work of one or two lone nuts. May have been connected to Massaud.
Richard Nixon was forced out of office by a silent coup
TELL ME MORE! We ALL know that JFK was killed as part of an obvious coup which installed Lyndon Baines Johnson but I don't really know about a "coup" in regards to RMN. True, he may have resigned or been forced to resign because he thought or someone told him they would reveal his complete involvement in the JFK coup. That makes sense to me.
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A missile WAS fired at the Pentagon. No plane ever hit the Pentagon.
Mighty funny missile, what with jet engines from passenger jets, landing gear, big wings damaging the walls of the Pentagon, passenger seats, etc.
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;D
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Mighty funny missile, what with jet engines from passenger jets, landing gear, big wings damaging the walls of the Pentagon, passenger seats, etc.
All of which magically "evaporated" after "hitting" the Pentagon and never being photographed by any of the ten or more video cameras that could have caught the whole thing.
Yes, I concur, "mighty funny". Perhaps you could show us some photos of plane crash sites that result in one wheel and a couple of seats being the whole sum of the remains of said aircraft. That might be fun.
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All of which magically "evaporated" after "hitting" the Pentagon and never being photographed by any of the ten or more video cameras that could have caught the whole thing.
Quite a bit of the wreckage was recovered, more than you indicate here.
Yes, I concur, "mighty funny". Perhaps you could show us some photos of plane crash sites that result in one wheel and a couple of seats being the whole sum of the remains of said aircraft. That might be fun.
Plane already showed some pictures of plane crashes where pretty much all that was left was a hole in the ground and smoking ash. Perhaps you could just go back and look at those?
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I'll indulge your paranoia Brass ;D
Links for the removal of Richard Nixon (coup)
Silent Coup (http://www.silentcoup.com/)
Related to above link but more in-depth (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-12491063.html)
And yet another: Stone and Freed's theory in Secret Honor implies that Nixon purposively took a dive to save democracy from a plan to implement martial law. The theory uses the construct of the Yankees vs. Cowboys to suggest that since the postwar era, the US has been dominated by Yankees competing with Cowboys. Nixon, who hailed from the Southwest, was initially backed by the military industrial defense contractor power-brokers (the Cowboys); however, he later wanted to jump ship and return government to the east-coast establishment of Yankees. His resignation accomplished this because Nelson Rockefeller, the epitome of the eastern economic elite, assumed the vice presidency after Nixon's resignation. Peter Beter's Conspiracy Against the Dollar further explains how Nixon was possibly a rogue liberal with a conservative mask. Andreas Killen's 1973 Nervous Breakdown mentions this obscure theory behind Watergate.
Wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal)
Was Nixon Watergated? (http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1032507)
Pat Buchanan (former Nixon speechwriter) weighs in (http://www.watergate.info/analysis/buchanan.shtml)
The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy-before Hillary (http://www.oilempire.us/watergate.html)
The Kissinger - Bush Sr. Connection (http://http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/kissingerdaddybush.htm)
Here's another unrelated but interesting "coincidence"
"BUSH'S SON WAS TO DINE WITH SUSPECT'S BROTHER, by Arthur Wiese and Margarte Downing." The lead paragraph read as follows: "Scott Hinckley, the brother of John Hinckley Jr., who is charged with shooting President Reagan and three others, was to have been a dinner guest Tuesday night at the home of Neil Bush, son of Vice President George Bush, The Houston Post has learned."
Link (http://www.geocities.com/prohibition_us/dui.html)
That should keep you busy for awhile!
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We ALL know that JFK was killed as part of an obvious coup which installed Lyndon Baines Johnson but I don't really know about a "coup" in regards to RMN. True, he may have resigned or been forced to resign because he thought or someone told him they would reveal his complete involvement in the JFK coup. That makes sense to me.
The main premise of the Silent Coup theory is more personal and less political. The summary is that John Dean masterminded the burglary and the coverup, because his soon to be wife was involved in a prostitution ring, and the evidence of that was in the DNC offices. I've always thought that Nixon's involvement in the JFK assassination wasn't an issue and that he had no foreknowledge of it. Hoover, and to a lesser extent, LBJ, are a whole different story. I will concede though, that Nixon was in Dallas on Nov 22 1963 in his capacity as an attorney for Pepsi.
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I will concede though, that Nixon was in Dallas on Nov 22 1963 in his capacity as an attorney for Pepsi.
So Pepsi Co. was behind the JFK assassination? It all makes sense to me now!
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So Pepsi Co. was behind the JFK assassination? It all makes sense to me now!
I have no doubt whatsoever that there are some people in this country who would think so.
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The Elvis Factor
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I will concede though, that Nixon was in Dallas on Nov 22 1963 in his capacity as an attorney for Pepsi.
So Pepsi Co. was behind the JFK assassination? It all makes sense to me now!
LBJ's mistress claimed to her death that the night before JFK was killed, LBJ had a party/meeting at her house that was attended by Hoover and Nixon. A chauffeur backed up her claim that Hoover was there.
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So Pepsi Co. was behind the JFK assassination? It all makes sense to me now!
I have no doubt whatsoever that there are some people in this country who would think so.
It might be worth a google search to see if PepsiCo was importing sugar from Cuba at that time or lost that import when Castro nationalized the sugar industry.
If so, that would be motive but I don't think they (or Joan Crawford) were involved in the JFK coup.
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Amedinejad's nonsense is exactly like Juniorbush's saying "They hate us because they hate our freedoms".
Irrelevant, incorrect and stupid.
Oh?
"They"don't hate our freedom?
Or in other words -debauchery.
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"They"don't hate our freedom?
Or in other words -debauchery.
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So that would be why that attacked the WTC instead of Las Vegas or Hollywood?
A major attack on the Las Vegas strip would be what any sane hater of debauchery would target: not some bank full of pencil pushers.
They attacked the WTC because the US manipulated them in Afghanistan, because the US stationed troops in Saudi Arabia who were passing out Bibles in Arabic, because the US and its oil companies regularly bribe the corrupt Saudi royal family that runs that country.
The 9-11 hijackers spent a lot of time in topless bars before the attack. So this is just a stupid remark, similar to those Amedinejad makes.