More Inspiraton From Obama, More Disappointment From McCain's

[Brassmask]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/28/13364/503/1011/644778

Most of you won't be able to bring yourself to clicking on this link for fear it might reduce your enemy to a human being status but if you can, it might warm your heart.

[Michael Tee]

Reminded me of Bobby Kennedy's crowds.  The same hopes, the same dreams, the same people.  Real people, real hopes, real dreams.  No "Joe the Plumber" BS.   Thanks, Brass.

[Plane]

Reminded me of Bobby Kennedy's crowds.  The same hopes, the same dreams, the same people.  Real people, real hopes, real dreams.  No "Joe the Plumber" BS.   Thanks, Brass.

Why do you think  "Joe the Plumber" is "BS"?


I theroise you think this way because you have a small understanding of the common man , in your case greater familiarity might reduce contempt.

[Michael Tee]

<<Why do you think  "Joe the Plumber" is "BS"?>>

Because he claims to be worried about a tax increase that would affect him ONLY if he purchased a business that would bring in so much income that after all legitimate expenses were paid, there would be enough left over for him to get over $250K in pre-tax income annually.  Meantime, he can't clear a $1,600 tax lien off his property and doesn't even have a fucking licence.  Unless he can show a legitimate reason to expect he is going to be able to cough up a purchase price of close to a million bucks with HIS lousy credit rating, I'd say he's professing to be "worried" about something which has little more than a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening.

[Plane]

<<Why do you think  "Joe the Plumber" is "BS"?>>

Because he claims to be worried about a tax increase that would affect him ONLY if he purchased a business that would bring in so much income that after all legitimate expenses were paid, there would be enough left over for him to get over $250K in pre-tax income annually.  Meantime, he can't clear a $1,600 tax lien off his property and doesn't even have a fucking licence.  Unless he can show a legitimate reason to expect he is going to be able to cough up a purchase price of close to a million bucks with HIS lousy credit rating, I'd say he's professing to be "worried" about something which has little more than a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening.

It will affect him "only" if he succeeds in doing what he intends to do?


Did you know that the typical successfull American Business is founded by a person who has founded one or two failure businesses?


Entrepreneurs are not held in low esteem here. That it is difficult and against the odds is a very poor excuse for the government to use for making it harder and raising the odds.

[Amianthus]

Because he claims to be worried about a tax increase that would affect him ONLY if he purchased a business that would bring in so much income that after all legitimate expenses were paid, there would be enough left over for him to get over $250K in pre-tax income annually.

Last time we had a Democratic President claim that he was only going to "tax the rich," the middle class got hit with a tax increase. His name was Clinton.

[Michael Tee]

<<Last time we had a Democratic President claim that he was only going to "tax the rich," the middle class got hit with a tax increase. His name was Clinton.>>

That was then, this is now.   Obama doesn't say he'll tax the rich.  He's a lot more specific.  He'll tax a pre-tax personal income of $250K or more.

[richpo64]

Mike wrote:
>> He'll tax a pre-tax personal income of $250K or more.<<

Nope. He recently lowered that to 200K.

Anybody smell a skunk??

[Michael Tee]

<<It will affect him "only" if he succeeds in doing what he intends to do?>>

No, it will affect him "only" if he succeeds in accumulating enough dough to buy a business that will pay him a  personal income of $250K a year, which could well be a million dollars or more, starting from a position in which his only foreseeable income will come from working as a plumber for his boss and his net worth is not even such as will permit him to remove a $1,600 tax lien from his lands.  Of course, he could pull off a miracle, but show me some evidence of the exceptionality which would justify the tiniest shred of faith in his miracle-making abilities.


<<Did you know that the typical successfull American Business is founded by a person who has founded one or two failure businesses?>>

Did Joe have prior business failures that I don't know about?

<<Entrepreneurs are not held in low esteem here. That it is difficult and against the odds is a very poor excuse for the government to use for making it harder and raising the odds.>>

Joe's not an entrepreneur.  Never has been, never will be.  Entrepreneurs don't end up at his age with a house, a kid and a $1,600 lien that they can't pay.  Despite working as a plumber.  Most of the plumbers I know can easily afford $1,600 and in any case would not have left their taxes unpaid long enough to attract a lien.  None of them make anywhere close to $250K per year.

That the guy has about the same chance of rising into an income cohort where he actually WOULD suffer from Obama's proposed tax hike as he does of winning the New York State Lottery does not make him a guy with any realistic prospects of being a victim of Obama, and to suggest that he, as a typical working tradesman, stands a realistic chance of harm from the proposed Obama tax hike is a big fat lie.

[Plane]

<<Last time we had a Democratic President claim that he was only going to "tax the rich," the middle class got hit with a tax increase. His name was Clinton.>>

That was then, this is now.   Obama doesn't say he'll tax the rich.  He's a lot more specific.  He'll tax a pre-tax personal income of $250K or more.

Last time we had a Democratic president lower the tax rates it was greatly more beneficial to the top earners than the lower and the change reduced the progressivity of the tax rates a lot.

The economy bounded , unemployment went down and the government tax recipts went up .

But that was Kennedy , the Democrat least like Obama there could be.

[Plane]

Joe's not an entrepreneur.  Never has been, never will be.  Entrepreneurs don't end up at his age with a house, a kid and a $1,600 lien that they can't pay. 

Yes they do , the failure rate is great.

You make it sound as if no plumber could found a plumbing business.

[Michael Tee]

<<Nope. He [Obama] recently lowered that [the pre-tax income level where his tax increases begin] to 200K.>>

ROTFLMFAO.  You're not keeping up with the Republican Lie Machine.  Ambinder's blog lowered the cut-off further to $150K.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/stunning_obama_changes_tax_pla.php

Wait till  the day before the election, it'll be down to minimum wage levels!!

Your story is pure bullshit.  Nothing to it.  But nice try.

<<Anybody smell a skunk??>>

Sure do, and it's a red skunk.  More Republican lies as the inevitable Obama tidal wave grows yet closer.  Who woulda thunk?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The economy bounded , unemployment went down and the government tax recipts went up .

But that was Kennedy , the Democrat least like Obama there could be.

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You need to be aware that taxes AFTER Kennedy's tax cuts were a lot higher than taxes during the Clinton years.
Kennedy was a young popular junior senator with a great speaking voice and a lot of charisma. He was accused of being inexperienced, and he was the first Catholic in many years to run for President and the first one to win. Obama is the first Black man to run for president, and it looks like he is going to win as well.

Obama also has charisma, is young, and stands for change.  Obama is like Kennedy in more ways than he is unlike him.

I think Obama is a lot healthier, and he sleeps around less. His wife is less a clothes horse, and I donlt see her marrying some Greek tycoon, either.

I am unaware if Richie had a fixation on Jackie O's gums.

[Plane]

<<Nope. He [Obama] recently lowered that [the pre-tax income level where his tax increases begin] to 200K.>>

ROTFLMFAO.&nbsp; You're not keeping up with the Republican Lie Machine.&nbsp; Ambinder's blog lowered the cut-off further to $150K.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/stunning_obama_changes_tax_pla.php

Wait till&nbsp; the day before the election, it'll be down to minimum wage levels!!

Your story is pure bullshit.&nbsp; Nothing to it.&nbsp; But nice try.

<<Anybody smell a skunk??>>

Sure do, and it's a red skunk.&nbsp; More Republican lies as the inevitable Obama tidal wave grows yet closer.&nbsp; Who woulda thunk?

Biden just lowered it to $150K , they are bidding down their promises before the election  , what will their promise be worth later?

[Michael Tee]

<<You make it sound as if no plumber could found a plumbing business.>>

That's not true at all.  Joe's not talking about founding a small plumbing business.  Obama told him that 95% of small businesses make LESS than $250K per year, in which case Joe would not be affected at all by Obama's tax hike.

I have no problem with Joe eventually founding a small plumbing business.  I have a big problem with him being anywhere near BUYING OUT his boss's business, which he claimed made $270 - $280K per year.  IMHO, that would take an investment of over $750K and possibly close to a million dollars.  In the circumstances the odds of Joe raising that kind of money in the immediate future are like the odds of him winning the lottery.  There is no realistic way that he can be, as he claimed, "planning" to buy out the boss.  Dreaming, maybe.  Wishing, sure.  But planning?  There is no realistic plan that he could formulate for getting that money together in the foreseeable future that would not include the word "lottery" or "genie" in it somewhere.