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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Brassmask on October 20, 2008, 03:17:41 PM
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In our current atmosphere, the right says that since ACORN was simply raided, that implies guilt. And, of course, Obama is guilty by association.
Here a GOP henchman has been actually ARRESTED. Let the equivocating begin.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story)
Ontario police arrest man in voter fraud case
Mark Jacoby, who owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state laws with his own registration, authorities say.
By Evan Halper
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
October 20, 2008
SACRAMENTO — The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario over the weekend on suspicion of voter registration fraud.
State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that all signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. His firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states.
Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department late Saturday came after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by people employed by YPM. The voters said YPM workers tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.
The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP.
Dan Goldfine, an attorney for Jacoby, on Sunday denied any wrongdoing by his client and called the charges "baseless."
He said the arrest outside an Ontario hotel, which involved seven squad cars and nine police officers, was part of a "long pattern of harassment against Mr. Jacoby for an entirely valid voter registration effort."
Goldfine said the case that prosecutors are bringing against his client involves charges that are rarely pressed.
Jacoby was released on bail Sunday evening from the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga, Goldfine said.
After complaints by voters and Democratic Party officials, several agencies launched investigations into Jacoby's activities. They included the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which issued the warrant for his arrest earlier this month on felony charges of voter registration fraud and perjury.
"We contacted people at the addresses where he registered, and they have no idea who he is," said Dave Demerjian, head deputy of the public integrity unit at the L.A. County district attorney's office.
Goldfine said his client does business in many states, traveling frequently, and his permanent address has been his parents' Los Angeles County home, where he received mail and registered to vote.
Demerjian said his office is continuing to investigate allegations that YPM workers improperly re-registered voters with the GOP.
Several dozen voters recently told The Times that YPM workers said they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Other voters said they had no idea their registration was being changed.
YPM has been accused of using bait-and-switch tactics across the country. Election officials and lawmakers have launched investigations into the activities of YPM workers in Florida and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit.
In a written statement Sunday, the state Republican Party called the charges against Jacoby "politically motivated." The party said the charges do not support accusations from voters and Democratic officials that YPM has been duping voters into joining the GOP.
The statement accused Secretary of State Debra Bowen, who announced the arrest, of "using her office to play politics."
Bowen is a Democrat.
WAH!
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Why am I not surprised?
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Let the full weight of the law reign down upon Jacoby.
And upon any other organizations who are involved in fraudulent voter registration.
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Let the full weight of the law reign down upon Jacoby. And upon any other organizations who are involved in fraudulent voter registration.
Precisely. So, what's Brass's beef when the right supports full investigation and prosecution if appropriate regarding ACORN voter fraud??
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This was a setup.
>>"We contacted people at the addresses where he registered, and they have no idea who he is," said Dave Demerjian, head deputy of the public integrity unit at the L.A. County district attorney's office.<<
See! These people don't even know who he is! How could they make such a claim and not even know who the guy is! I think that genius Joe Obiden set this up!
:D
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Let the full weight of the law reign down upon Jacoby. And upon any other organizations who are involved in fraudulent voter registration.
Precisely. So, what's Brass's beef when the right supports full investigation and prosecution if appropriate regarding ACORN voter fraud??
I suspect there will be an attempt to appear to investigate ACORN to no avail.
This is merely the right trying to use perceptions to their nefarious ends.
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Perceptions of what?? Suspected fraud by the left should not be investigated?? That's not nefarious, that's pretty blunt :-\
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Perceptions of what?? Suspected fraud by the left should not be investigated?? That's not nefarious, that's pretty blunt :-\
No one said that there shouldn't be an investigation. I'm just saying there won't be much come of it.
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That would be your non-involved in the investigation opinion, of course. If it's determined of widespread attempt a voter fraud vs 1 GOP example, what would be your perceptions at that point?
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This is merely the right trying to use perceptions to their nefarious ends.
Yes that is why they had you post this story via secret mind control so we on cue would demand the full weight of the law come down on anyone who engages in voter fraud and undermines the faith in democracy.
Rovian devils are everywhere.
What is the atheist position on rovian devils btw?
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That would be your non-involved in the investigation opinion, of course. If it's determined of widespread attempt a voter fraud vs 1 GOP example, what would be your perceptions at that point?
Then let them hang.
However, from what I've read, it is more of a fraud ON ACORN than BY ACORN.
And you can just stop calling it "voter fraud". For it to be voter fraud someone would have to show up with an ID saying their name is Tony Romo or Mickey Mouse trying to vote.
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What is the atheist position on rovian devils btw?
They don't exist.
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>>This is merely the right trying to use perceptions to their nefarious ends.<<
Ooooooo ... How draconian.
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They don't exist.
what i thought
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Where does this guy live?
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What is the atheist position on rovian devils btw?
They are just as real as dust devils.
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Let the full weight of the law reign down upon Jacoby. And upon any other organizations who are involved in fraudulent voter registration.
Precisely. So, what's Brass's beef when the right supports full investigation and prosecution if appropriate regarding ACORN voter fraud??
The beef I have is that you guys have been beating the deadhorse called ACORN for over a week and you've not said one word about YPM till you are asked.
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Let the full weight of the law reign down upon Jacoby. And upon any other organizations who are involved in fraudulent voter registration.
Precisely. So, what's Brass's beef when the right supports full investigation and prosecution if appropriate regarding ACORN voter fraud??
The beef I have is that you guys have been beating the deadhorse called ACORN for over a week and you've not said one word about YPM till you are asked.
ACORN is not a dead horse , it is going into court and it is going to get tried.
Unfortunately this will take longer than two weeks.
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ACORN is not a dead horse , it is going into court and it is going to get tried.
Unfortunately this will take longer than two weeks.
Source?
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The beef I have is that you guys have been beating the deadhorse called ACORN for over a week and you've not said one word about YPM till you are asked.
Your voter registration does not have to match your physical address. If you've ever lived (and registered to vote) in a certain jurisdiction, as long as you do not register to vote anywhere else, you can maintain your previous voter registration.
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The beef I have is that you guys have been beating the deadhorse called ACORN for over a week and you've not said one word about YPM till you are asked.
Your voter registration does not have to match your physical address. If you've ever lived (and registered to vote) in a certain jurisdiction, as long as you do not register to vote anywhere else, you can maintain your previous voter registration.
Hmmm... Does this let that guy off the hook?
Or did he register to vote several places?
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Hmmm... Does this let that guy off the hook?
Or did he register to vote several places?
Not enough details in the story.
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ACORN is not a dead horse , it is going into court and it is going to get tried.
Unfortunately this will take longer than two weeks.
Source?
ACORN vs. Rathke, et al., no. 08-8342, before the Civil District Court for the Parish of Orleans, State of Louisiana.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Whistleblowers-Seek-to-Ref-by-James-Murtagh-081021-515.html (http://www.opednews.com/articles/Whistleblowers-Seek-to-Ref-by-James-Murtagh-081021-515.html)
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The beef I have is that you guys have been beating the deadhorse called ACORN for over a week and you've not said one word about YPM till you are asked.
Your voter registration does not have to match your physical address. If you've ever lived (and registered to vote) in a certain jurisdiction, as long as you do not register to vote anywhere else, you can maintain your previous voter registration.
Um, you didn't read the whole article.
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Um, you didn't read the whole article.
The article doesn't state that he was registered elsewhere.