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Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« on: October 27, 2008, 10:33:16 PM »
Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama



This undated photo obtained from a MySpace webpage shows Daniel Cowart, 20 of Bells, Tenn....

Mon Oct 27, 8:23 PM EDT
Two white supremacists allegedly plotted to go on a national killing spree, shooting and decapitating black people and ultimately targeting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, federal authorities said Monday.

In all, the two men whom officials described as neo-Nazi skinheads planned to kill 88 people — 14 by beheading, according to documents unsealed in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The spree, which initially targeted an unidentified predominantly African-American school, was to end with the two men driving toward Obama, "shooting at him from the windows," the court documents show.

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all-white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.

Sheriffs' deputies in Crockett County, Tenn., arrested the two suspects — Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark. — Oct. 22 on unspecified charges. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

The two were charged by federal authorities Monday with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.

Cowart and Schlesselman are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.

Jasper Taylor, city attorney in Bells, said Cowart was arrested on Wednesday. He was held for a few days in Bells, then moved over the weekend to another facility.

"It was kept under lid until today," Taylor said.

Until his arrest, Cowart lived with his grandparents in a southern, rural part of the county, Taylor said, adding that Cowart apparently never graduated from high school. He moved away, possibly to Arkansas or Texas, then returned over the summer, Taylor said.

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday. Messages left on two phone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned.

No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately.

The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy.

The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8"s or "H"s stand for "Heil Hitler."

Court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the African-American school they were targeting by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville, Tenn., field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, said authorities took the threats very seriously.

"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

He added: "They seemed determined to do it. Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."

An ATF affidavit filed in the case says Cowart and Schlesselman told investigators the day they were arrested they had shot at a glass window at Beech Grove Church of Christ, a congregation of about 60 black members in Brownsville, Tenn.

Nelson Bond, the church secretary and treasurer, said no one was at the church when the shot was fired. Members found the bullet had shattered the glass in the church's front door when they arrived for evening Bible study.

"We have been on this site for about 120 years, and we have never had a problem like this before," said Bond, 53 and a church member for 45 years.

The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said. He said there's no evidence — so far — that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.

At this point, there does not appear to be any formal assassination plan, Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said.

"Whether or not they had the capability or the wherewithal to carry out an attack remains to be seen," he said.

Zahren said the statements about the assassination came out in interviews after the men were arrested last week.

The Secret Service became involved in the investigation once it was clear that an Obama assassination attempt was part of this violent, far-reaching plot.

"We don't discount anything," Zahren said, adding that it's one thing for the defendants to make statements, but it's not the same as having an organized assassination plan.

Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.

However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

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Associated Press writers Erik Schelzig in Nashville, Tenn., Jon Gambrell in Little Rock, Ark., and Eileen Sullivan in Washington contributed to this report.

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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2008, 12:58:20 AM »
Man ,that is especially ugly.


Do they qualify as political prisoners?

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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2008, 09:11:51 AM »
Do they qualify as political prisoners?


Is attempted murder a political act?

A political prisoner is a person held prisoner for advocating political ideas. Plotting a murder is beyond the limits of free speech. It would be a conspiracy, and that is a felony.
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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2008, 10:41:08 AM »
Do they qualify as political prisoners?


Is attempted murder a political act?

A political prisoner is a person held prisoner for advocating political ideas. Plotting a murder is beyond the limits of free speech. It would be a conspiracy, and that is a felony.


I think you are right , and this is a genuine case of conspiracy .

But I can see the defense in the fantastic nature of the plot , it lacks plausability.

Some of the Domestic terrorists ,sympathetic with Al Quieda ,and accused of plots have used this defence.

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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 10:47:59 AM »
There is insufficient information to establish what this is all about. But arresting them and preventing an assassination is what was required.

I imagine that if you were to send a note to McCain or Palin or probably even Bob Bar or Ralph Nader and tell them, "stop campaigning OR ELSE", you would get a visit from the Secret Service, and it would take a lot of persuasion on your part to explain that you really meant "or I won't vote for you" when you said OR ELSE.

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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2008, 10:53:12 AM »
If proven and convicted they were actually going to assassinate Obama they
should be executed or thrown in prison for a very long time. We should send
a quick signal that political assassination is a zero tolerance crime. I am
very afraid this may happen if Obama is elected.

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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2008, 10:59:17 AM »
If proven they were actually going to assassinate Obama they should
be executed or thrown in prison for a very long time. We should send
a quick signal that political assassination is a zero tolerance crime.

 I am very afraid this may happen if Obama is elected.

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So which is it? Off with their heads, or you are afraid they will be executed?

They are not going to execute anyone for just threats. If one of them shot at Obama and missed, they still would not execute them.

Where is John Hinckley, Jr.?

He is not fertilizing any posies... And he took a number of shots, killed one guy and paralyzed another for life and even wounded the president.


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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2008, 01:44:43 PM »
"Where is John Hinckley, Jr.?He is not fertilizing any posies"

I think he should have been executed decades ago.

Anyone that seriously tries to kill a President should be executed after a speedy trial!

"And he took a number of shots, killed one guy and paralyzed another
for life and even wounded the president"


XO John Hinckley killed somebody? Who did he kill?
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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 02:16:04 PM »
I forgot was it bush sr. or clinton that got a plane crash and gun fired at the whithouse?

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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 02:35:10 PM »
I forgot was it bush sr. or clinton that got a plane crash and gun fired at the whithouse?

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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 08:28:06 PM »
If proven and convicted they were actually going to assassinate Obama they
should be executed or thrown in prison for a very long time. We should send
a quick signal that political assassination is a zero tolerance crime. I am
very afraid this may happen if Obama is elected.



I think it depends on the quality of the evidence.

Quite likely this plot was all talk and as such the punishment should not be severe.

But if the made real preparation for a political assination , or a massicre either , the punishment should be harsh enough to deter.

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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 09:21:59 PM »
Hinckley wounded two SS men and Reagan, and disabled the Reagan;s press secretary for life. I thought he killed one of the SS men, but he didn't.

He did actually intend to kill Reagan, though. I bet if he had been a Black Panther he'd have been executed.
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Re: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
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