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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: ZoSo on August 08, 2008, 03:32:41 PM
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Postmodern John McCain: the presidential candidate some Arizonans know — and loathe
By Amy Silverman
Published on August 07, 2008
I've been a writer and editor at [the Phoenix] New Times for 15 years. For much of that time, I wrote about Arizona politics, which is to say that I wrote about John McCain. It's still odd to see the guy in the spotlight, because for quite a while, I was pretty much the only one covering him. I never did fall for him in the way reporters fall for politicians, probably because he wasn't much to fall for back in the early 1990s. In those days, McCain was still rehabilitating the image he'd later sell to the national media. He was known then for cavorting in the Bahamas with Charlie Keating, rather than for fighting for campaign finance reform and limited government spending.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-08-07/news/postmodern-mccain-the-john-mccain-some-arizonans-know-and-loathe/%20/2 (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-08-07/news/postmodern-mccain-the-john-mccain-some-arizonans-know-and-loathe/%20/2)
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Apparently Arizonans loathe him so much they keep re-electing him. Go figure.
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Apparently Arizonans loathe him so much they keep re-electing him. Go figure.
I guess they loathe him so much, they elect him just to get him out of the state...
;)
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The heading of the post was:
<<Postmodern John McCain: the presidential candidate some Arizonans know — and loathe>>
SOME Arizonans, gentlemen. Not ALL Arizonans, not even MOST Arizonans. Just, presumably, the more perceptive Arizonans.
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Just, presumably, the more perceptive Arizonans.
The elite, huh?
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I guess they loathe him so much, they elect him just to get him out of the state...
The reason Arizona has become a battleground state isn't because voters there want to keep him all to themselves.
McCain's flip flopping on immigration issues is givng Obama the Hispanic vote.
In a "strategy briefing" video posted Saturday on the McCain campaign website, Rick Davis, the campaign manager, did not include Arizona as one of the 17 "historically Republican states" -- though Arizona has voted Republican in every presidential election but one since 1952. In that one election, of 1996, Bill Clinton carried Arizona by a 2.2 percent margin over Sen. Robert Dole.
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What's Obama's position on immigration?
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What's Obama's position on immigration?
Change?
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:D
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What's Obama's position on immigration?
Mexican rock band Mana is backing Barack Obama, saying a Democrat in the White House would be better for Mexicans on both sides of the border.
What more do you need to know?
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"McCain's flip flopping on immigration issues is givng Obama the Hispanic vote."
This is true to a point.
Obama is getting the Hispanic Vote on more than the immigration issue. Hispanics are typically liberal in general. A black man is the closest safety net that the Hispanic can relate to in terms of a respected identity in American culture. A vote for Obama is going to lift the morale and self image of the Hispanic.
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What more do you need to know?
Obama's position.
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Obama's position.
Wouldn't it be more "intellectually stimulating" for you to look it up yourself?
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/#improve-system (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/#improve-system)
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Not a dimes difference between Obama's and McCains plan
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm (http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm)
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:D
With all due respect...Sirs, why the :D ?
Change?
Shed light, please on your response.
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Basically Cynthia, is in acknowledging Plane's little jab at Obama....in how his platform & pledges hold very little specifics, but is huge on "change"
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:D
With all due respect...Sirs, why the :D ?
Change?
Shed light, please on your response.
As I understand it "change " is the only position BHO has that is not extremely flexable.
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:D
With all due respect...Sirs, why the :D ?
Change?
Shed light, please on your response.
As I understand it "change " is the only position BHO has that is not extremely flexable.
Change is the only constant.
You still have not shed light on what you meant by :D You are not being very flexible to explain your stance.
Rockin' down the house (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/10/arch.collapse.ap/index.html)
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Not a dimes difference between Obama's and McCains plan
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm (http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm)
SO perhaps McCain should not have run for president at all...., instead he could have been a contender as Obama's vice prez. ;)
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SO perhaps McCain should not have run for president at all...., instead he could have been a contender as Obama's vice prez.
Don't see why.
American's know fluff when they see it. I wouldn't bank on an Obama victory quite yet.
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SO perhaps McCain should not have run for president at all...., instead he could have been a contender as Obama's vice prez.
Don't see why.
American's know fluff when they see it. I wouldn't bank on an Obama victory quite yet.
So, if you are saying that McCain and Obama's policy thus far as so similar, then one would have to say....a dimes difference..that indeed McCain is fluff! ;)
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Perhaps you might want to go back and follow the thread. There isn't a dimes difference between McCain and Obama's Immigration Policy. McCain's is a bit more specific. Walls equals Obama's infrastructure and drones equals Obama's technological advances.
And therein lies the diference between the candidates. Obama leans towards generic and vague. McCain doesn't.
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Perhaps you might want to go back and follow the thread. There isn't a dimes difference between McCain and Obama's Immigration Policy. McCain's is a bit more specific. Walls equals Obama's infrastructure and drones equals Obama's technological advances.
And therein lies the diference between the candidates. Obama leans towards generic and vague. McCain doesn't.
"Not a dimes difference between Obama's and McCains plan"
I have followed the thread.
McCain's is a bit more specific. Walls equals Obama's infrastructure and drones equals Obama's technological advances.
So you are admitting at this point, that there IS a difference, as I see it.
You didn't say that when you compared them on the dime. You intimated that they were too close to bother debating the issue.
I believe that McCain is more "left" in his policies than most Republicans. Too bad they aren't running on the same ticket.....One would get the best of both worlds? ..but then again the severe right would be "left out" ;)
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You expect a candidate to be able to appease the entire electorate, Cynthia?? ???
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If their plans were exactly the same i would have said not one red cents difference.
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If their plans were exactly the same i would have said not one red cents difference.
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Your intent spoke otherwise, Bt
No biggie...just an observation.
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Rockin' down the house (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/10/arch.collapse.ap/index.html)
Woould it be unfair to reassemble the arch?
There are modern adhesives that could make the arch stronger than it was at first.
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:D
With all due respect...Sirs, why the :D ?
Change?
Shed light, please on your response.
As I understand it "change " is the only position BHO has that is not extremely flexable.
Change is the only constant.
You still have not shed light on what you meant by :D You are not being very flexible to explain your stance.
Rockin' down the house (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/10/arch.collapse.ap/index.html)
BHO might be wise to withold the details of his thinking , knowing the truth in detail might drive off voters who are happy as clams now, being kept in the dark.
I remember that Richard Nixon had a secret plan for ending the war in Vietnam , I bet he would have lost quite a few votes if he had told us that his plan was to bomb the Northern citys and mine the seaports of Vietnam , while sending Henry Kissenger behind the scenes to work out a deal for withdrawal under what ever best could be had fron the Vietnameese communists generosity. That plan might have struck some people funny if it weren't secret.
There are a lot of things in which Barak H. Obama holds his cards close to his chest , garrunteeing that there will be a lot of people vote for him who will be dissapointed later .
The solution for this?
Mind reading.
Let me try .....
Hmmmmmmmm...
Hmmmmmmmmmm....
Hmmmmmmmmmmm....
I have one !
Barak H. Obama plans to change the "No Child Left Behind " program by increasing the frequency of nationwide testing!
Accuracy not garrunteed for my prognostications based on mind reading.
Accuracy definately not garrunteed for your prognostications based on mind reading either , but if you are dissapointed in the guy you vote for you have voted already .
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Your intent spoke otherwise, Bt
You are now the authority of my intent?
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Your intent spoke otherwise, Bt
You are now the authority of my intent?
Time again for mind reading....
Hmmmmm...
Hmmmmmmmm.....
Hmmmmmmmmmmm......
BT is thinking about the city water system.
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Your intent spoke otherwise, Bt
You are now the authority of my intent?
Yes ;D
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Teehee