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Michael Tee

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Black & White Thinking
« on: January 26, 2008, 11:43:04 AM »
The dialogue in another thread made me realize how complex a world we live in today.  Specifically the unacknowledged ripple effects that great historical events must inevitably have.  Action and reaction, germ adn antibody.  Like my old high-school buddy liked to say, "No Christ without Hitler, no Hitler without Christ."  Sometimes you need to give credit to Evil for provoking the rise of Good.  Or vice versa.  The abysmal conditions of the working class in the 19th century produced Karl Marx and Das Kapital.

In the other thread, I had to refer to the influence of the Russian Revolution and the astonishing, world-beating material successes of the U.S.S.R. from 1923 to 1939 on the lives of the working class in America.  Generally IMHO a most beneficial influence, yet almost completely unacknowledged.  This is because Russia and communism are "bad."  Not "mostly bad" or 99% bad but absolutely purely incontrovertibly 110% BAD.  And America, and American employers are GOOD.  So, given the dichotomy, it is impossible for something bad like Russia to have a good effect on something good like America.  In the eyes of the True Believer, this is (a) laughable (b) impossible and (c) blasphemous.

It's possibly the key to "conservative" thinking.

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Re: Black & White Thinking
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 11:46:46 AM »
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In the other thread, I had to refer to the influence of the Russian Revolution and the astonishing, world-beating material successes of the U.S.S.R. from 1923 to 1939 on the lives of the working class in America.

Did you successfully link cause and effect?


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Re: Black & White Thinking
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 01:01:40 PM »
<<Did you successfully link cause and effect?>>

Define "success" in context.

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Re: Black & White Thinking
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 02:00:05 PM »
How would the manufacturing successes of the Soviet Union affect the workink stiffs in this country? Did you make your case convincingly?

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Re: Black & White Thinking
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 05:23:47 PM »
from 1923 to 1939


Stalins gulags were in full flower in this period wern't they?

If Slave labor counts then we can also discuss the astonishing achevements of the Southern half of the USA from 1830 -1860.

Truely grand building period , citys founded all over the place , the Cotton gin enabled a burst of productivity comprable to the dot com boom.

Unfortunately to some people slavery is considered bad , not partly bad , not 90% bad but a full 110% evil, so any accomplishment tainted by slavery has to be pretty spectacular and good to be considered even slightly good.