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sirs

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Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« on: February 19, 2007, 02:24:16 PM »
While teaching during school hours, of course.  Such as "War budget leaves every child behind"  How about Anti-war handouts and papers on why you shouldn't join the military, on their front desk, planely visible to all who enter the room?  I'd be curious to see where this thread may lead....if it leads anywhere
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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2007, 02:50:51 PM »
I would say that teachers have the same right to wear anti-war shirts as pro-war shirts.
It is supposed to be a free country, you are not supposed to be prohibited from promoting or denegrating any cause other than criminal activity, buggery and porn.

It would seem to me that if anti-war materials are removed, then they should also throw out ROTC and recruiters.

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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2007, 04:17:50 PM »
While teaching during school hours, of course.  Such as "War budget leaves every child behind"  How about Anti-war handouts and papers on why you shouldn't join the military, on their front desk, planely visible to all who enter the room?  I'd be curious to see where this thread may lead....if it leads anywhere

I suppose I'm aging myself by answering this way, but... why are teachers wearing t-shirts to school at all??? What happened to button down shirts?  ;)

Generally, the kids aren't allowed to wear controversial clothing, including t-shirts that make inflammatory statements, as well as colored bandanas due to fear of gang violence (and other such examples).

Why should teachers be any different? It is their job to teach, not impress their morals or beliefs on the kids.

I see it in the same light as prayer in school and other such things - parents can tell the kids whatever they want, but don't do it with the tax dollars.

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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2007, 04:28:32 PM »
So far, Miss Henny gets an A+ grade, and Xo gets a D+ I'm afraid

And Tee gets an A-.  I'm impressed.  Stunned even      :o
« Last Edit: February 19, 2007, 04:57:49 PM by sirs »
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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2007, 04:54:17 PM »
Teachers and students are in a power imbalance and a teacher gratuitously expressing ANY political opinion is IMHO exercising undue influence on the kids.  Kids may not be able to rebut teachers without fear of lowered grades.  It's unfair for teachers to express ANY political opinion on school grounds during school hours, whether the opinion is God's own truth ("Bush Lied They Died") or the clever and misleading militarist slogan "Support Our Troops." 

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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2007, 05:09:39 PM »
Personally, I have never worn a t-shirt to teach in, and I have never displayed any political materials more impressive than a button suggesting that citizens should vote. I wear printed t-shirts as underwear, and not with anything so transparent as to permit anyone to see that my underwear is promoting a candidate, product or event.

I don't think anyone has really ever convinced any thinking person with a bumpersticker or a campaign button. Of course, a lot of people are not of the thinking persuasion.

 I don't think Coke would spend millions to tell people to "Catch the Wave" or Gatorade would spend so much showing atheletes sweating purple or green as it does if these ads did not produce results. So dumbass slogans (political or otherwise) are probably quite effective with some people.

There is a difference between some slogans and others: "F*ck the Army" seems less acceptable in a high school than the usual campaign slogans.

On the other hand, I believe that a teacher has a complete right to answer questions that students ask him or her honestly about any issue.

If it is a free country and we have freedom of speech, it would seem that any opinion offered in a non-disruptive way should be allowed, despite what I do personally.
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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2007, 05:21:38 PM »
As a civil servant I can't wear political activist slogans.

I can't do a lot of things , the idea is to prevent us from useing the power of our office to benefit a party or intimidate a client public.

Though I could very well get away with "support the troops" because support for the troops is actually our business and the warfighter is our customer.
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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2007, 05:27:56 PM »
....snip....

<whooo---------------------------.---------------------------ooooosh
 ::)




Did you at least hear the sound, Xo?

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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2007, 07:37:20 PM »
I'm with Henny and Mikey on this one.  I do wonder - and perhaps XO can answer this - doesn't a teacher's contract contain a dress code that would specifically prohibit them from wearing clothing that reflects their personal opinions?

I would expand on Henny's statement a bit:  a teacher's job is not only to teach, but to teach students to think for themselves.  Inserting one's personal opinion, whether vocally or via a t-shirt slogan, would hinder that process.


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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2007, 12:56:57 AM »
Secondary schools might have such a clause, but colleges, at least the ones I know about, do not. The local school system does indeed have a vague clause about professional attie and since they no longer have tenure, I am sure they comply, more or less. At the collegiate level, if you have Tenure, for example, you can only be fired for two acts: moral turpitude and financial extingency (no one takes your classes).

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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 02:02:15 PM »
on the shirt issue
usually this should not even be a subject of discission
teacher in general follow a certain conduct that doesn`t allow this.
but nowadays this are VERY different
being a teacher today SUCKS
It truely SUCKS.
public or private it doesn`t matter
it is the crappiest job in the world
the teacher is now more responsible of the student than ever before.
the requirement to be a teacher is so huge.
only as a strong calling are their people willing to be teachers
Schools now are in a a bind getting teachers now .
and a even more confusing thing is their is no reward system for having good teacher

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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2007, 02:23:06 PM »
The best three things about being a teacher for me have been:
 (1) A fully vested pension 403(b) in which the university invests 8% if I invest 2%
 (2) Job security. I have never been unemployed, since 1965
 (3) As the only full-time professor in my discipline, I do not have to take more than minimal crap from anyone.

It is nice working with college students. They are usually polite and friendly, and they never throw objects at others or me as HS students sometimes do. They also smell better than HS students. It is nice teaching in a room with no squawk box to interrupt me as I teach. Once in a HS in Maryland, I installed a switch on the box so as to turn it off most of the time.

At a private college, it is effectively impossible to unionize, but our 12 year effort to do so caused the local press and the trustees to examine the intense stupidity of the blowhard president and they replaced him with a far more competent president.

I have no idea what sirs means by his whoosh remark. Most of his remarks tend to be somewhat insulting, so I assume it was in some way insulting.
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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2007, 02:24:31 PM »
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I can't do a lot of things , the idea is to prevent us from useing the power of our office to benefit a party or intimidate a client public.

The idea as I understand it Plane (I'm a public servant as well) is that we be objective as possible in carrying out our duties. For me, I try to avoid a lot of the political issues that surround some of the duties I have. Objectivity is extremely important. I've had requests for information from organizations that I know aren't going to treat the subject fairly, but they get the same information that anyone else would get.

As for teachers, all I can say is that some of the best teachers I ever had - and the ones I remember most - were not the ones who simply stood in front of the class and offered plain information. I had a European History (and German) teacher in High School who was very right wing. He made no qualms about it and would have discussions in class and speak his views. Yet, without a doubt he was one of my favourite teachers of all time. At University I had about half a dozen professors that ranged from Marxist, Libertarian, Conservative Evangelical, to your basic Democrat and Republican that I'd include among my favourites. None of them were bland or kept their views hidden. They all challenged us to think and speak out, defend your positions.

Make of it what you will, but for my money's worth I don't want your cardboard cut out teacher in a suit and tie writing the material on the board and thumping the class with a difficult exam twice a semester. I'll take a teacher who teaches, regardless of political opinions - or perhaps due to it. I think all this "bias at school" talk is overblown. Kids need to learn to think for themselves.
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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2007, 02:32:29 PM »
...snip....

Kimba, you're absolutely right about what teachers have to deal with today, the pressures, placed on them, the frequent lack of support by administrators, and how often they're abused politically by the unions.  It really is a sucky job, and my compliments to those who sincerely see it as a calling to educate our young and deal with all the suckiness.

That said, Tee, Miss henny, and Miss De are dead on, that despite what pressures and suckiness has been bestowed upon them, does not give them the right to push their personal political vies to a captive student audience.  Kids go to school to learn math, english, science, etc.  They go to College to learn what occupational pursuit they need to absorb themselves in.  They don't go to be told how evil Bush is, or how fantastic Bush is.  They don't go there to be told how terrible war is.  That's not what teachers are payed to do.  If they wish to press their 1st amendment right to dissent, by all means do it on THEIR time, not the tax payers.  We tell students they're not allowed to wear pro-Christian shirts, or anti-abortion shirts, or the dreaded implied anti-gay t-shirt, despite they aren't being payed, so should have more a right to wear them than teachers.  

If teachers are so bent out of shape in that they feel they need to balance out what the ROTC is doing, where's the demands for speakers and displays in presenting that man is not responsible for global warming?  Demands for fairness in presenting the NRA's position on the 2nd amendment?  Ooo, how about a White's Only student caucus, to compliment the Blacks & Hispanic's only clubs/organizations?

Keep the teachers neutral, while in school.  They're payed to teach, not propogandize.  By all means bash Bush at will, if they're that overwrought with anger, ON THEIR OWN TIME, not while during school hours.
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Re: Should teachers be allowed to wear anti-war t-shirts?
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2007, 03:09:19 PM »
oops
I apologize
I forgot to say,being a teacher is a truely honerable job that rightly be admired.
but they are so abused by every angle
don`t forget they don`t have a real life.
quite a few give they`re home number to be reached 24/7
so their is ALOT of non-paid hours teachers are required to work.
I`m not even sure teacher don`t work in the summer time.