Will Washington's Failures Lead To Second American Revolution?

[Michael Tee]

If I'm not mistaken, the photographic evidence may show about as much as the photographic evidence of the armed man at the Tea Party with a loaded AK-47 - - that some guy showed up at a polling station with a club, which in the U.S. is pathetically under-armed, is like me showing up at a public function here in Canada with a Star Wars light sabre.  Why the hell shouldn't the guy exercise his fundamental right to bear arms at a polling station, where is the photographic proof that he was intending to intimidate voters  or influence their votes by threat?

[Plane]

If I'm not mistaken, the photographic evidence may show about as much as the photographic evidence of the armed man at the Tea Party with a loaded AK-47 - - that some guy showed up at a polling station with a club, which in the U.S. is pathetically under-armed, is like me showing up at a public function here in Canada with a Star Wars light sabre.  Why the hell shouldn't the guy exercise his fundamental right to bear arms at a polling station, where is the photographic proof that he was intending to intimidate voters  or influence their votes by threat?

Oh, it is a second admendment question now?


I suppose that the laws that forbid being armed at polling stations should be challenged on these grounds.

Would Mr Shabazz like to be the NRAs pointman on abolishing these unreasonable restrictions?

[Kramer]

Seems like a case of he said <>she has photographic evidence.

I have posted it

[sirs]

the New Black Panther Party flap is at this point nothing more than a "he-says-she-says" slimefest, with one ex-DOJ lawyer, now a conservative blogger, claiming the case was virtually a slam-dunk and Holder's officials claiming the evidence was weak.... I think it's BS.  The usual right-wing bullshit smear with no back-up, as in the Sherrod case just last week.  They never let up, but they're all fulla shit.

So, there you have it.  As far as Tee's position is, if 3 KKK folks were standing in front of some voting precinct, with clubs, yelling racial slurs, this would NOT have been voter intimidation, if the AG, such as Ashcroft, decided to drop the case.  Just Left Wing AMBE

Well, at least we know now what to call all those far less evidentiary claims of voter intimidation back in 2000

[Michael Tee]

<<Oh, it is a second admendment question now?>>

There's a right to pack a fully-loaded AK-47 in public, but not a club?  Who are you kidding?


<<I suppose that the laws that forbid being armed at polling stations should be challenged on these grounds.>>

What laws are you talking about and do they forbid clubs as well as guns?

<<Would Mr Shabazz like to be the NRAs pointman on abolishing these unreasonable restrictions?>>

Why would you not support the NRA's position?  Shouldn't everyone support the NRA's support of 2nd amendment rights?

[Plane]

Absolutely! There shouldn't be any illeagal wepons, nor should there be nearly so many places where wepons are not welcome.


But there ought indeed be several things that can be done with wepons that should remain forbidden.

One of these things that ought to be forbidden is threatening voters at the polls.

Or threat and assult in general.

Persons who threaten and assult ought to be restrained by the law , and this should be especially so at polling places.

[Michael Tee]

Of course voters should not be threatened or assaulted, the real issue here is whether the "photographic evidence" is sufficient to convict certain individuals of threatening and/or assaulting voters.

On the one hand, you have Holder's spokespeople saying that they don't have the evidence to convict.  OTOH, you have this one conservative blogger who says that they do.   The problem is that while Holder's denial is necessarily general in scope, the conservative blogger is suspiciously lacking in specifics when he claims that there IS sufficient evidence to convict. 

What specific evidence does the state have, if it has any?  Adams isn't saying.  Since the government already got an injunction against one of the guys, the claim that the Obama DOJ did nothing is clearly bullshit.  As for evidence against the other guys, come on folks, where is it?  What exactly does the photographic evidence prove, and against whom?

This case has "right-wing smear" written all over it, just like Sherrod.  Seems like the conservative media can crank out this shit at the rate of one a week.

[sirs]

Of course voters should not be threatened or assaulted, the real issue here is whether the "photographic evidence" is sufficient to convict certain individuals of threatening and/or assaulting voters.

Why does Tee keep ignoring the FACT, that the case had already been legally judged in the priliminary phase?  There is no "other hand".  There is no "he said x, they said y".  I realize facts to a die hard socialist/liberal/communist is like kryptonite to Superman.  But gads, the ignorance here is staggoring

This "case" has LW Coverup, written all over it.  And more importantly, it's a cattle call to all those other racists to engage in voter intimidation, come Nov.

[Kramer]

Of course voters should not be threatened or assaulted, the real issue here is whether the "photographic evidence" is sufficient to convict certain individuals of threatening and/or assaulting voters.

Why does Tee keep ignoring the FACT, that the case had already been legally judged in the priminary phase?  There is no "other hand".  There is no "he said x, they said y".  I realize facts to a die hard socialist/liberal/communist is like kryptonite to Superman.  But gads, the ignorance here is staggoring

This "case" has LW Coverup, written all over it.  And more importantly, it's a cattle call to all those other racists to engage in voter intimidation, come Nov.

it's a diversion tactic

[Michael Tee]

<<it's a diversion tactic>>

Bullshit.  If there was any evidence at all, photographic or otherwise, sufficient to obtain convictions (other than against the guy who's now under injunction) then why hasn't Adams come up with it? 

This is clearly another RW smear of the Obama administration, with "Sherrod" written all over it.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Just another ratbag reactionary talkshow piece of crap.

[Kramer]

<<it's a diversion tactic>>

Bullshit.  If there was any evidence at all, photographic or otherwise, sufficient to obtain convictions (other than against the guy who's now under injunction) then why hasn't Adams come up with it? 

This is clearly another RW smear of the Obama administration, with "Sherrod" written all over it.

you show me the proof of it in FLA during the 2000 election and I'll show you the video of the New Black Panther gang members walking around voting precincts with clubs trying to get Obama elected.

[sirs]

Of course voters should not be threatened or assaulted, the real issue here is whether the "photographic evidence" is sufficient to convict certain individuals of threatening and/or assaulting voters.

Why does Tee keep ignoring the FACT, that the case had already been legally judged in the priminary phase?  There is no "other hand".  There is no "he said x, they said y".  I realize facts to a die hard socialist/liberal/communist is like kryptonite to Superman.  But gads, the ignorance here is staggoring

This "case" has LW Coverup, written all over it.  And more importantly, it's a cattle call to all those other racists to engage in voter intimidation, come Nov.

it's a diversion tactic

And then some.  Notice how he couldn't apply a response when initially queried

[Kramer]

<<it's a diversion tactic>>

Bullshit.  If there was any evidence at all, photographic or otherwise, sufficient to obtain convictions (other than against the guy who's now under injunction) then why hasn't Adams come up with it? 

This is clearly another RW smear of the Obama administration, with "Sherrod" written all over it.

you show me the proof of it in FLA during the 2000 election and I'll show you the video of the New Black Panther gang members walking around voting precincts with clubs trying to get Obama elected.

I knew Mikey & XO would duck on this one

[Michael Tee]

<<I knew Mikey & XO would duck on this one>>

LOL.  YOU are the one who is ducking.  You raised the dropped charges cases and I challenged you to show the evidence which the U.S. Attorney-General's office has said does not exist.  Neither you nor Adams (the only guy with direct knowledge of the case to claim that such evidence existed) has been able to point out any evidence to back up Adams' allegations.  You say, "It's in the photos," but the photos only show one or two guys with clubs at polling stations - - where is the evidence that voters were threatened or told how to vote by these people?  Where is the evidence of intent to threaten those who may have felt threatened?  Where is the evidence of intent to change the votes of anyone?  The photos are really of limited value, without supporting evidence.  If Holder's lawyers say there isn't enough evidence, I tend to believe them, especially when Adams, one of the lawyers responsible for the case at one point, claims there was plenty of evidence but so far has pointed out none of it other than the photos themselves.