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« on: June 10, 2007, 12:17:11 AM »
The Sounds of Silence From Democrats on the Hot-Button Issues
By Stuart Rothenberg

If you really want to see how times have changed across the nation in general, and on Capitol Hill in particular, all you need to do is consider both the way high-profile Democrats have reacted to recent events and how the Democrats are proceeding in Congress. It's stunning, and that's not mere hyperbole.

Thirty-two students and faculty members gunned down at Virginia Tech, and, except for New York Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (D), there is hardly a word from gun control enthusiasts and liberal officeholders arguing that guns are a problem or insisting on new gun control legislation.

It wasn't that long ago that you couldn't have kept top Democratic Congressional leaders, or gun control activists, from getting in front of a television camera to demand limits on gun ownership and to hyperventilate about the threat that guns pose to children and families.

Yet after the Virginia Tech shootings, calls for major new gun control legislation from the likes of Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) have been nonexistent.

One could attribute this result to the success of the National Rifle Association, which has utterly demolished its opponents and fundamentally changed the gun debate in this country, except for the fact that gun control is not the only issue where Democrats and their liberal allies appear to have backed off confrontation.

The same undoubtedly can be said about abortion. Ten years ago, a Supreme Court decision that upheld any kind of restriction on abortion rights would have been met with a frenzy of anger and protestation from pro-choice forces both in and out of Congress. There would have been threats directed at judges and politicians, and predictions of the demise of Roe v. Wade.

Instead, while Democratic presidential candidates (and other Democratic elected officials) expressed their disappointment with the decision, the general reaction from the pro-choice community has been muted, if not inaudible.

"I am disappointed," said Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), adding, "Criminalizing doctors for performing medically necessary procedures to save a woman's life or protect her health is wrong. The court's decision is a significant step backwards."

Disappointed? Wow, them there are fightin' words, Madam Speaker. I can only imagine what language Congresswoman Pelosi might have used 10 or 15 years ago if the Supreme Court had issued the same opinion back then.

It's pretty much the same tune on taxes and the minimum wage.

Yes, on gaining their majorities in Congress, Democrats immediately pushed for an increase in the minimum wage, a time-honored Democratic tradition. But the Senate (and some key Democratic Senators) resisted the House's approach, and after a little huffing and puffing on the House side, it looks as if Democrats have agreed on a package that also includes $4.8 billion in tax cuts for small businesses over 10 years.

Initially, House Democrats, including Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel (N.Y.), insisted on a "clean bill" that excluded anything but the minimum-wage hike. But at the end of the day, and with surprisingly little kicking and screaming, House liberals caved to the inevitability of a compromise approach with the Senate.

Even the Democratic approach on the alternative minimum tax smells more cautious than in the past, as Democrats talk of eliminating the tax for families making less than $250,000 and cutting the AMT tax bite for families with incomes of $250,000 to $500,000.

So far, in other words, there is little or no evidence that Democratic leaders are being dragged away from their post-election strategy of keeping toward the political center and demonstrating their moderation.

In the fall, well before the November elections, an influential Democrat told me that Congressional Democrats would keep the party's more ideological faithful happy through a series of hearings during which they would excoriate the Bush administration, while at the same time pushing a legislative agenda with broad appeal. So far, that's happening just as scripted.

Will it continue? I'm betting it will.

The closer we move toward the presidential election, the more the incentive for Democrats to keep to the script, especially as long as national polls show their party strong, President Bush unpopular and voters still itching for political change.

Sure, the presidential race will get more partisan and ideological juices flowing over the next few months, and we likely will hear more inflammatory comments as presidential hopefuls play to the base (and as Ohio Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich tries to impeach people he doesn't like), but even the most liberal activists seem more intent on getting back the White House than on pushing a legislative agenda that might threaten the party's advantage next fall.

Speaker Pelosi's trip to Syria and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) comment that "we are losing the war" notwithstanding, Democrats have made few mistakes since they won control of both chambers of Congress in November, and they have done nothing to diminish their standing or their prospects.

If Democrats stay on their current path, I am already itching to see how they will address guns, abortion, gay rights and taxes, to mention just a few hot-button issues, if they win the White House and increase their Congressional majorities even slightly next year. Now that would be fascinating to watch.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpage/?url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/04/the_sounds_of_silence_from_dem.html
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2007, 02:43:31 AM »
Boy, doesn't this commentary hit the nail on the head.  Nice post, Bt
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2007, 02:56:51 AM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2007, 11:26:52 AM »
They are simply being smart.If they try to enact gun control, gay rights, abortion or other laws now, they will be attackewd by Rove and the same bunch of GOP propagandists as before.

Please observe that Juniorbush did not announce that he was going to monger a war that would result in 3500 dead soldiers and ziullions of dollars, nor did he say he was going to attack Social Security.

Somehow, you expect Democrats to act like angels, while Republicans can lie and conceal their goals.

I suggest that this is dumb.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2007, 11:30:36 AM »
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They are simply being smart.If they try to enact gun control, gay rights, abortion or other laws now, they will be attackewd by Rove and the same bunch of GOP propagandists as before.

Perhaps it has more to do with the mindset of voters than it does Rove or other demons of your imagination.

The strategy of the dems is to capture and retain power. That is the overall driving force in what they do.


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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2007, 11:40:00 AM »
The strategy of the dems is to capture and retain power. That is the overall driving force in what they do.

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This is the strategy of all political parties, everywhere. Anyone who is unaware of this is a fool.

I am for gun control, abortions on demand and gay rights. I don't want Juniorbush messing with my Social Security, either.
So none of this bothers me.

The Republicans are warmongering, corrupt, incompetents, an alliance betweeen religious dipwads and fatcat monopolists, which makes then inferior to the Democrats, who are also far from perfect.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2007, 11:46:04 AM »
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the Democrats, who are also far from perfect

on this we agree.


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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2007, 01:09:37 PM »
So stop the presses - - the Democrats are trying hard not to alienate the centre while the Republicans are self-destructing. This is news?

I saw Hilary, Obama and Edwards on CNN late last night answering "faith-related" questions (hardball stuff like  "how has your faith helped you to deal with making the tough decisions in life?) on CNN and it was hilarious.  Found myself wondering which of them would be the first to fall to their knees speaking in tongues.  If anyone required further evidence of the debasement of American political life, or the decline of the American Republic, it was all there.

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2007, 05:06:13 PM »
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So stop the presses - - the Democrats are trying hard not to alienate the centre while the Republicans are self-destructing. This is news?

Actually no. Stepanopolous famously claimed the Clinton kept all the campaign promises he intended to keep. So no it is no suprise that dem candidates will pander to the fringes and then run to the middle, i'm surprised the fringes fall for it though.




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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2007, 06:17:57 PM »
<<i'm surprised the fringes fall for it though. >>

They don't.  Some hold their noses and vote the lesser of two evils, some stay home, some vote for third party candidates.  What you're really pointing out is the slow-motion death of the Democratic Party.

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2007, 07:28:25 PM »
So no it is no suprise that dem candidates will pander to the fringes and then run to the middle, i'm surprised the fringes fall for it though.

I don't know why you're surprised BT when the Dems are taking a page from the Republican playbook.  In the six years that there was a Republican President, Congress, and a Supreme Court consisting of mostly Republican appointments, we have yet to see

a)  A flag-burning amendment
b)  An abortion prohibition amendment
c)  A gay-marriage ban amendment

All of these issues were very important to the fringe on the right, yet none of them were acted on.  Pandering to fringe and then running to the middle is not an exclusive Democratic tactic.

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2007, 07:43:10 PM »
So no it is no suprise that dem candidates will pander to the fringes and then run to the middle, i'm surprised the fringes fall for it though.

I don't know why you're surprised BT when the Dems are taking a page from the Republican playbook.  In the six years that there was a Republican President, Congress, and a Supreme Court consisting of mostly Republican appointments, we have yet to see

a)  A flag-burning amendment
b)  An abortion prohibition amendment
c)  A gay-marriage ban amendment

All of these issues were very important to the fringe on the right, yet none of them were acted on.  Pandering to fringe and then running to the middle is not an exclusive Democratic tactic.

A)  As promised by Hillary Clinton? Not important. (personally I am against it)
B)  Is a big dissapointment , but we would settle for allowing the legislature of the states and the Congress to enact regulation.
C)  Not ripe yet , wait till a homosexual couple gets married in Vermont and demands the marrage be respected in Alabama or Idaho.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2007, 07:57:16 PM »
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Pandering to fringe and then running to the middle is not an exclusive Democratic tactic.

Never claimed it was. What i did claim is the dems are not without sin.

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2007, 07:58:25 PM »
Here is a message that the political class never gets .

I am not a fiddle ,
I do not like to be played.




But who is ever teling them this?

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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2007, 11:11:36 PM »
A)  As promised by Hillary Clinton? Not important. (personally I am against it)
B)  Is a big dissapointment , but we would settle for allowing the legislature of the states and the Congress to enact regulation.
C)  Not ripe yet , wait till a homosexual couple gets married in Vermont and demands the marrage be respected in Alabama or Idaho.


a) I disagree with burning the flag.  I respect what it symbolizes and I don't really like it when someone burns it.  However, what I like and don't like shouldn't necessarily trump the right of another person to free expression, thus my opposition to such an amendment.
b) I am in agreement here in that I think it should be up to the states as far as abortion is considered, with the exception of imminent harm to the mother, which is a rarity in most cases.
c) A gay person can't get married in VT, only in MA.  VT and several other states have a form of civil union.  Why a contract in one state between two persons should not be honored in another state makes no sense to me.  Even in the days of slavery, a runaway slave was often held by authorities in a free state, not granted his freedom when he crossed into the state (as far as I know anyhow).  The honest fact of the matter is that there are probably not enough states that would ratify such an amendment.

Never claimed it was. 

I'm sorry if I misunderstood you BT.  I thought the inference was that the Republicans were more attentive to their base than Democrats, but I might have been reading too much into your post.

What i did claim is the dems are not without sin.

None of us are without sin, some just sin more than others.  My opinion is that the D's and R's are on about an even par as far as sin is concerned.


Here is a message that the political class never gets .

I am not a fiddle ,
I do not like to be played.


We have compete and total agreement.

But who is ever teling them this?

Who can afford to?  It seems like the parties play it up for the base, endorsing whichever wacky idea flies past their nose, then once in office take the safe route to ensure re-election, until it's time to play it up for the base again, at which point the dance continues infinitum.  Are you going to vote for the person opposite of the person you voted for last time just to spite them?  On the one hand, I like the squabbling and bickering amid the parties because that way they can't encroach onto the rights of the citizenry more than they already have.  On the other hand, I don't like it because it's rare, maybe once or possibly twice in a generation, that anything meaningful is accomplished.