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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on April 28, 2011, 06:29:55 PM
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Here we go again.
A Republican official, this time a member of the Orange County, Calif., GOP Central Committee, stands accused of ? racism!
Her crime?
She forwarded, to a circle of friends, an email depicting an image of a family of chimpanzees, with the superimposed face of President Barack Obama over the baby chimp's face. The caption read, "Now you know why no birth certificate." The national media soon picked up the story with the implicit "GOP-is-bigoted" story line.
Given her position as a central committee member, America's ugly history of demeaning images of blacks and the Democratic Party's unfair but calculated characterization of the Republican Party as racist the official exercised poor taste and bad judgment. She has apologized. But many demand her resignation.
This is a teachable moment.
The Democratic Party has lost the "white vote" in every presidential election since 1964. Democrats attribute this to white racism. Yet in 2008, when a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll asked whether voters would refuse to vote for a qualified black for president, only 3 percent of Republicans said "yes." More Democrats ? at 4 percent ? than Republicans admitted refusing to vote for a qualified black for president.
Republican presidents have appointed more blacks to positions of authority than have Democrats.
Of the black members of the House of Representatives, the only ones from majority white districts are Republicans.
Democrats are in trouble. Most Americans reject their left-wing agenda: bigger government; the refusal to address the need for entitlement reform; high taxes; anti-business regulation; anti-choice in education; pro-amnesty/porous borders; appointment of social-agenda-driven liberal judges; job-killing "climate change" hysteria; and the naive and dangerous strength-through-peace approach to foreign policy.
What tool does the Democratic Party often resort to in order to win elections? The race card.
As recently as 1960, the GOP attracted 32 percent of the black vote. Without the now-monolithic black Democratic vote, the Democratic Party could not survive. So it recruits and retains black voters by calling white Republicans "racists" ? and by calling black Republicans "sellouts."
I suggest black voters ask four questions:
First, why are Republicans painted as the bad guys and Democrats the good guys on the issue of civil rights?
The GOP is the party of Lincoln, a party founded to oppose slavery. The GOP, over the objections of the Democratic Party, backed the 13th, 14th and 15th constitutional amendments that freed blacks, granted blacks citizenship and granted blacks the right to vote, respectively. For over 100 years, Democrats fought against civil-rights legislation, often reversing pro-civil-rights legislation passed by Republicans.
Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan, once called the "terrorist wing of the Democratic Party." It was Southern Democrats like Alabama's Gov. George Wallace and Birmingham Commissioner of Public Safety "Bull" Connor who opposed integration. As a percentage of the party, more Republicans supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act than did Democrats.
Second, since good education is the ticket to the middle class, why does the Democratic Party force children to go to government schools with a 50 percent urban dropout rate ? while refusing to give the parents a say in the matter?
Third, how has government dependency helped black Americans? Since Democratic President Lyndon Johnson launched the pro-welfare-state "war on poverty," poverty has flatlined. But the percentage of black children born to unwed mothers ? many living in government-dependent households ? has increased from 25 percent to 70 percent.
Fourth, why is there a double standard that protects Democrats who make racially insensitive or racist comments? Here are just some examples:
Jesse Jackson called Jews "Hymies" and New York City "Hymie-Town." He apologized. Case closed.
Black Democratic former U.S. Rep. Diane Watson never apologized for her Ku Klux Klan-like attack against a black political opponent: "He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."
Then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said of then-candidate Obama, he's articulate and "light-skinned" with "no Negro dialect" unless he wants one.
Former President Bill Clinton, in attempting to dissuade Ted Kennedy from endorsing Obama, said, "A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee."
Democratic Rep. Charlie Rangel said of Republicans, "They don't say 'spic' or 'nigger' anymore, they just say 'let's cut taxes.'"
Donna Brazile, Al Gore's former campaign manager, said Republicans "have a white-boy attitude."
Then-Sen. Hillary Clinton told a black audience that the Republicans run the "House ... like a plantation ? and you know what I'm talking about."
The GOP should also demand an apology.
It should demand an apology from Democrats who play the race card to divert voters from the destructive effects of their wrongheaded policies. It should also demand an apology from their co-conspirators in the media for allowing them to get away with it.
Now, let us all continue the pursuit of a society based not on color of skin ? but on content of character (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=292385).
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Given her position as a central committee member, America's ugly history of demeaning images of blacks and the Democratic Party's unfair but calculated characterization of the Republican Party as racist the official exercised poor taste and bad judgment. She has apologized. But many demand her resignation.
she should resign.
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No, she shouldn't. It was poor taste & poor judgement, that's all. She apologized. Obama has demonstrated for worse judgement, & no one's calling on him to resign
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Given her position as a central committee member, America's ugly history of demeaning images of blacks and the Democratic Party's unfair but calculated characterization of the Republican Party as racist the official exercised poor taste and bad judgment. She has apologized. But many demand her resignation.
she should resign.
then you should too!
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No, she shouldn't. It was poor taste & poor judgement, that's all. She apologized. Obama has demonstrated for worse judgement, & no one's calling on him to resign
Right. Its always best to keep folks with poor taste and poor judgment in positions of high visibility with so much at stake with the future of the country.
Perhaps she can take her monkey jokes national. That'll show 'em.
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Actually, they should throw her out of the job. If they don't, they are sending the message that they think what she did was excusable.
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No, she shouldn't. It was poor taste & poor judgement, that's all. She apologized. Obama has demonstrated for worse judgement, & no one's calling on him to resign
Right. Its always best to keep folks with poor taste and poor judgment in positions of high visibility with so much at stake with the future of the country.
Perhaps she can take her monkey jokes national. That'll show 'em.
Yea, because of course she didn't apologise, she was proud of them, just looking to take them national ::)
When you start clammoring for Obama's resignation, then we can return to considering hers
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Actually, they should throw her out of the job. If they don't, they are sending the message that they think what she did was excusable.
You REALLY don't want to go there, with the garbage ....
Black Democratic former U.S. Rep. Diane Watson never apologized for her Ku Klux Klan-like attack against a black political opponent: "He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."
Then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said of then-candidate Obama, he's articulate and "light-skinned" with "no Negro dialect" unless he wants one.
Former President Bill Clinton, in attempting to dissuade Ted Kennedy from endorsing Obama, said, "A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee."
Democratic Rep. Charlie Rangel said of Republicans, "They don't say 'spic' or 'nigger' anymore, they just say 'let's cut taxes.'"
Donna Brazile, Al Gore's former campaign manager, said Republicans "have a white-boy attitude."
Then-Sen. Hillary Clinton told a black audience that the Republicans run the "House ... like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about."
....the Dem party has pulled, Xo
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None the less, monkey jokes are not funny.
Throw the bitch out or spread the word that the GOP is racist.
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Given her position as a central committee member, America's ugly history of demeaning images of blacks and the Democratic Party's unfair but calculated characterization of the Republican Party as racist the official exercised poor taste and bad judgment. She has apologized. But many demand her resignation.
she should resign.
then you should too!
from what?
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Given her position as a central committee member, America's ugly history of demeaning images of blacks and the Democratic Party's unfair but calculated characterization of the Republican Party as racist the official exercised poor taste and bad judgment. She has apologized. But many demand her resignation.
she should resign.
then you should too!
from what?
I am sure that you said something dumb sometime in your life. Resign from your positions at 3DHS and that should take care of the matter.
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No, she shouldn't. It was poor taste & poor judgement, that's all. She apologized. Obama has demonstrated for worse judgement, & no one's calling on him to resign
Right. Its always best to keep folks with poor taste and poor judgment in positions of high visibility with so much at stake with the future of the country.
Perhaps she can take her monkey jokes national. That'll show 'em.
Yea, because of course she didn't apologise, she was proud of them, just looking to take them national ::)
When you start clammoring for Obama's resignation, then we can return to considering hers
She was proud enough to forward the jokes to her friends. And it doesn't matter what Obama does when setting the standards for your own group. And you guys cry because the GOP can't take back the California state government. Perhaps this is a reason why.
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Given her position as a central committee member, America's ugly history of demeaning images of blacks and the Democratic Party's unfair but calculated characterization of the Republican Party as racist the official exercised poor taste and bad judgment. She has apologized. But many demand her resignation.
she should resign.
then you should too!
from what?
I am sure that you said something dumb sometime in your life. Resign from your positions at 3DHS and that should take care of the matter.
I'll take that suggestion under advisement.
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glad she didn`t talk about brazil nuts
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glad she didn`t talk about brazil nuts
lol
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Given her position as a central committee member, America's ugly history of demeaning images of blacks and the Democratic Party's unfair but calculated characterization of the Republican Party as racist the official exercised poor taste and bad judgment. She has apologized. But many demand her resignation.
she should resign.
then you should too!
from what?
I am sure that you said something dumb sometime in your life. Resign from your positions at 3DHS and that should take care of the matter.
I'll take that suggestion under advisement.
I heard her in an interview and she was sorry and regretted it. At least she didn't drive drink off a bridge and kill some young girl. Did you ever suggest Kennedy resign?
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Did you ever suggest Kennedy resign?
At the time i suggested Kennedy should be prosecuted for manslaughter.
But hey, if you are comfortable with folkks who do monkey jokes representing you in California, who am i to blow against the wind. And who knows, maybe the monkey joke was aimed at his white half.
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Did you ever suggest Kennedy resign?
At the time i suggested Kennedy should be prosecuted for manslaughter.
But hey, if you are comfortable with folkks who do monkey jokes representing you in California, who am i to blow against the wind. And who knows, maybe the monkey joke was aimed at his white half.
I don't really know much about it other than last week I saw her interview on a local channel and she seemed sorry. Isn't sorry enough? It was good enough when Reid said what he said about Obama, it was good enough when Biden said what he said about Obama, it was good enough when B. Clinton said what he said about Obama, it was good enough when Jesse and Al said what they said about Jews and even the guy with the nappy headed ho comment was sorry and has his show back too. This women didn't mean for this to become a national issue, unlike all those names that I mentioned. They all said those things in public not private! Anyway she looks like she's approaching 80 something and ready to check out of this world.
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More info:
http://www.oohwee.net/2011/04/19/republican-marilyn-davenport-sent-this-in-an-email/ (http://www.oohwee.net/2011/04/19/republican-marilyn-davenport-sent-this-in-an-email/)
Here's the dumb picture the old witch sent
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dYJqNZt0vck/TaoZ5JfBVSI/AAAAAAAAGQk/vfd6rf1Yw7Y/s1600/President_Obama_Monkeys-thumb-480x341.bmp)
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Her sense of humor could be better if she finds this funny,I would say.
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Did you ever suggest Kennedy resign?
At the time i suggested Kennedy should be prosecuted for manslaughter.
But hey, if you are comfortable with folkks who do monkey jokes representing you in California, who am i to blow against the wind. And who knows, maybe the monkey joke was aimed at his white half.
I don't really know much about it other than last week I saw her interview on a local channel and she seemed sorry. Isn't sorry enough? It was good enough when Reid said what he said about Obama, it was good enough when Biden said what he said about Obama, it was good enough when B. Clinton said what he said about Obama, it was good enough when Jesse and Al said what they said about Jews and even the guy with the nappy headed ho comment was sorry and has his show back too. This women didn't mean for this to become a national issue, unlike all those names that I mentioned. They all said those things in public not private! Anyway she looks like she's approaching 80 something and ready to check out of this world.
I guess what you and sirs are having a hard time understanding is the competition does not determine the quality of your product, you do.
Let's use a real world situation. Let's say you sell tools for a living. And you and your district for years have been trying to break into the foreign auto repair market. And your competition has been saying all along that you think foreign car mechanics are substandard workers, and whether true or not that has been making it hard for you to break into that market. But slowly you have been making inroads and sales are going up and then some marketing support rep from district office sends out an email blast making fun of foreign auto mechanics.
Does that person keep their job?
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Her sense of humor could be better if she finds this funny,I would say.
it is funny, just not appropriate, nor nice, nor something a party rep should be doing; but these days it seems like many people in every corner of society are ill-equipped to use common sense.
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No, she shouldn't. It was poor taste & poor judgement, that's all. She apologized. Obama has demonstrated for worse judgement, & no one's calling on him to resign
Right. Its always best to keep folks with poor taste and poor judgment in positions of high visibility with so much at stake with the future of the country.
Perhaps she can take her monkey jokes national. That'll show 'em.
Yea, because of course she didn't apologise, she was proud of them, just looking to take them national ::)
When you start clammoring for Obama's resignation, then we can return to considering hers
She was proud enough to forward the jokes to her friends.
I think we already addressed the issue of poor judgement & bad taste. She has since apologized
And it doesn't matter what Obama does when setting the standards for your own group.
Its called consistency
And you guys cry because the GOP can't take back the California state government. Perhaps this is a reason why.
And you'd be wrong, but don't let that stop you
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Quote from: BT on April 28, 2011, 07:34:01 PM
And it doesn't matter what Obama does when setting the standards for your own group.
Its called consistency
It's called lowering your standards to the lowest common denominator. Willioe Sutton used to rob banks. Guess that makes it OK.
Right?
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Wrong. It's calling a mistake a mistake. It's calling an error in judgement, an error in judgement. Nice to know you apparently equate robbing banks with telling a tasteless joke though
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Wrong. It's calling a mistake a mistake. It's calling an error in judgement, an error in judgement. Nice to know you apparently equate robbing banks with telling a tasteless joke though
Nice to know you like being associated with folks who think racist jokes are funny.
You certainly like making excuses for them.
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Boy oh boy, you really are taking this misrepresenting my position to the highest levels. What part of BAD JOKE, BAD TASTE, POOR JUDGEMENT equates to racists jokes are funny?? Here's a newsflash Bt, I know some good friends who've pulled some stupid things in their past. Have made some asanine comments, and realized how bad they were, after the fact. If you could demonstrate a pattern of this woman making these jokes as a standard practice of humor, you MIGHT have a leg to stand on. She made a stupid tasteless joke.....ONE. She's apologized for it.
Your demanding she resign while the folks on the left get free passes for the garbage they spew on a rather consistent pattern basis, demonstrates far more the mindset that puts the GOP on their heels so often. Always having to defend themselves from acts that are a fraction of what the Dems get away with, on a practically daily basis, and never apologize for, much less resign from their position of power
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Always having to defend themselves from acts that are a fraction of what the Dems get away with, on a practically daily basis, and never apologize for, much less resign from their position of power
Then lower the standards for the GOP. Let them be as bad as the dems.
No wonder this country is going to hell in a hand basket.
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Gonna be a LOOOONG time before that happens. How's that finding a pattern of similar "proud jokes" by this lady, coming?
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Always having to defend themselves from acts that are a fraction of what the Dems get away with, on a practically daily basis, and never apologize for, much less resign from their position of power
Then lower the standards for the GOP. Let them be as bad as the dems.
No wonder this country is going to hell in a hand basket.
It already happened, why in the hell do you think we lost in 2008? Not enough R's came out to support a flawed candidate in McCain. I held my breath and voted because it came down to McCain or Obama and I knew both sucked but at least McCain isn't a traitor. In case you missed it the country has already gone down the tubes! Just about every single one of us is dysfunctional in some way! And how in the hell could we not be with all the things that are happening in our society from TV, to politics, to school & work environment, to you name it!
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Just about every single one of us is dysfunctional in some way!
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But this is one category in which you appear to be winning.
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Just about every single one of us is dysfunctional in some way!
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But this is one category in which you appear to be winning.
I wasn't aware it was a contest. At least I'm not fat & ugly like you.
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Gonna be a LOOOONG time before that happens. How's that finding a pattern of similar "proud jokes" by this lady, coming?
Don't need to find a pattern.
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So, in your book, just 1 bad joke, not even proven to be racially motivated and.....you're outa here. I'm glad I don't work for you. So, obviously you were calling for Clarence Thomas to step down when Anita Hill was referencing his bad jokes, right?
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I was never in favor of Thomas being nominated or placed on the Supreme Court at all. He is a lightweight and has wacky ideas.
He was not a member of the court when Anita Hill testified against him. I'd vastly prefer Hill being on the Court to him.
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I was never in favor of Thomas being nominated or placed on the Supreme Court at all. He is a lightweight and has wacky ideas.
He was not a member of the court when Anita Hill testified against him. I'd vastly prefer Hill being on the Court to him.
He is a lightweight and has wacky ideas.
That's what I think about Obama, does that make me a racist?
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So, in your book, just 1 bad joke, not even proven to be racially motivated and.....you're outa here. I'm glad I don't work for you. So, obviously you were calling for Clarence Thomas to step down when Anita Hill was referencing his bad jokes, right?
There really wasn't a whole lot of proof concerning Hill's allegations, if i recall correctly.
This lady was caught red handed. And at the minimum she should be reassigned to an obscure position stuffing envelopes if she doesn't have enough character to resign. She showed bad judgment in a business where judgment is the product for sale.
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LOL.....yep, caught red handed telling one really bad tasteless joke. Oh, the horror. I think we need to indict her. 3 years + 100hrs community service at the Improv
Or, given the level of bad judgement, 4yrs President of the the United States
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So, in your book, just 1 bad joke, not even proven to be racially motivated and.....you're outa here. I'm glad I don't work for you. So, obviously you were calling for Clarence Thomas to step down when Anita Hill was referencing his bad jokes, right?
There really wasn't a whole lot of proof concerning Hill's allegations, if i recall correctly.
This lady was caught red handed. And at the minimum she should be reassigned to an obscure position stuffing envelopes if she doesn't have enough character to resign. She showed bad judgment in a business where judgment is the product for sale.
But she had a pubic hair that Thomas put on the top of a Coke can.
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LOL.....yep, caught red handed telling one really bad tasteless joke. Oh, the horror. I think we need to indict her. 3 years + 100hrs community service at the Improv
Or, given the level of bad judgement, 4yrs President of the the United States
Yes continue defending her. Hard to deny being the party of racists when you excuse racist behavior.
Hard to claim to being the party of personal responsibility when you refuse to accept the consequences of your behavior. How Clintonian.
Wasn't it just this year that a tea party congressman got caught in an embarrassing situation and resigned for the sake of the party? Guess character is no longer a positive attribute.
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What I'm "defending" is nothing more than some witch-hunt over a bad joke. Nothing more. If it was an ethical scandal, if it was some quid-pro-quo, if it were an affair, if it were some misappropriation of campaign funds, if it were a bank robbery.......no, it was one bad, tasteless joke......ONE
If you had been able to demonstrate some pattern of behavior that would warrant a need to resign over a racially motivated mindset, or even a pattern of poor judgement, THEN you'd have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you're just mirroring the typical MSM beatdown of any Republican that made 1 mistake.....a bad joke.
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Imagine how the two monkeys in the picture feel about being lumped together with Boy Wonder?
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What I'm "defending" is nothing more than some witch-hunt over a bad joke. Nothing more. If it was an ethical scandal, if it was some quid-pro-quo, if it were an affair, if it were some misappropriation of campaign funds, if it were a bank robbery.......no, it was one bad, tasteless joke......ONE
If you had been able to demonstrate some pattern of behavior that would warrant a need to resign over a racially motivated mindset, or even a pattern of poor judgement, THEN you'd have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you're just mirroring the typical MSM beatdown of any Republican that made 1 mistake.....a bad joke.
It was inappropriate behavior on the party's dime and in the party's name and is inexcusable. If she had a shred of honor she should resign.
It doesn't matyter what dems do. It doesn't matter who else thinks she should resign. What matters is she brought shame on the party and should no longer represent it.
And that is my opinion.
You certainly are entitled to treat her more liberally.
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See, that's where we disagree. I don't see 1 BAD JOKE, as inexcusable. A PATTERN of bad jokes, absolutely. A PATTERN of bad judgement, absolutely. 1 mistake, that she copiously apologised for, no. NO ONE would be in a position of authority, if that were the case. I have yet to come across the perfect politician. You have??
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See, that's where we disagree. I don't see 1 BAD JOKE, as inexcusable. A PATTERN of bad jokes, absolutely. A PATTERN of bad judgement, absolutely. 1 mistake, that she copiously apologised for, no. NO ONE would be in a position of authority, if that were the case. I have yet to come across the perfect politician. You have??
I see so everybody gets a free pass on the first offense.
That cub scout den leader only molested that one kid. Pass.
That husband only blackened his wife's eye that one time. Pass
That mexican only entered the country illegally that one time. Pass
That party official only exhibited that racist attitude the one time. Pass
Yeah that's the ticket.
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I was never in favor of Thomas being nominated or placed on the Supreme Court at all. He is a lightweight and has wacky ideas.
He was not a member of the court when Anita Hill testified against him. I'd vastly prefer Hill being on the Court to him.
When you wrote this did you have a particular whacky idea in mind?
Which one, or do you have several in mind?
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See, that's where we disagree. I don't see 1 BAD JOKE, as inexcusable. A PATTERN of bad jokes, absolutely. A PATTERN of bad judgement, absolutely. 1 mistake, that she copiously apologised for, no. NO ONE would be in a position of authority, if that were the case. I have yet to come across the perfect politician. You have??
I see so everybody gets a free pass on the first offense.
That cub scout den leader only molested that one kid. Pass.
That husband only blackened his wife's eye that one time. Pass
That mexican only entered the country illegally that one time. Pass
That party official only exhibited that racist attitude the one time. Pass
Yeah that's the ticket.
A zero tolerance policy is a serious waste of time and resorces unless the zero tolerance is reserved for very serious matters.
Saying or doing something pretty stupid but otherwise harmless ought to get a lighter repremand than makeing it a frequent habbit. If resignation is the proper punishment for once what are you reserveing for the frequent offender?
Her apology for being insensitive might be enough, if she can now go and sin no more.
I understand BT and his concern for the partys welfare, but is the party for the members or is a member for the party? This is a person, not just a cog in a political machine.
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More info:
http://www.oohwee.net/2011/04/19/republican-marilyn-davenport-sent-this-in-an-email/ (http://www.oohwee.net/2011/04/19/republican-marilyn-davenport-sent-this-in-an-email/)
Here's the dumb picture the old witch sent
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dYJqNZt0vck/TaoZ5JfBVSI/AAAAAAAAGQk/vfd6rf1Yw7Y/s1600/President_Obama_Monkeys-thumb-480x341.bmp)
Ouch , that is pretty unfortunate.
How is it racial really?
Lincon was often portrayed and caricatured as a gorilla , earlyer presidents were not because the Gorilla was not discovered early enough for Jackson or Adams to benefit from the comparison.
How long would it take to find a photoshop of President Bush added to a Chimpanzees face? How can the racial component be absent when President Bush is mocked in exactly the same way. (less than a minute , there is a webpage devoted to Bush photoshop pictures).
(http://www.photoshoppix.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10494/normal_gorilla_bush.jpg)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YI44i-cR4GI/SVay3OZYGUI/AAAAAAAACrw/mEi6_ILt8NY/s400/pimpbush)
Oh man , the doubble standard is stark and unfair. There is practicly nothing a Democrat can do that will prove him racist, but a careless moment, just once, marks a Republican?
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So, in your book, just 1 bad joke, not even proven to be racially motivated and.....you're outa here. I'm glad I don't work for you. So, obviously you were calling for Clarence Thomas to step down when Anita Hill was referencing his bad jokes, right?
There really wasn't a whole lot of proof concerning Hill's allegations, if i recall correctly.
This lady was caught red handed. And at the minimum she should be reassigned to an obscure position stuffing envelopes if she doesn't have enough character to resign. She showed bad judgment in a business where judgment is the product for sale.
Is any and all mockery of President Obama off limits?
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I find it odd that in a day and age where a man like Herman Cain is considered a serious candidate for the GOP that there is this chorus of compassion for this woman who thought it funny to place the image of a black man in some planet of the apes family portrait and thinks the sentiment is harmless.
If it were harmless the opposition would not have jumped all over it.
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I find it odd that in a day and age where a man like Herman Cain is considered a serious candidate for the GOP that there is this chorus of compassion for this woman who thought it funny to place the image of a black man in some planet of the apes family portrait and thinks the sentiment is harmless.
If it were harmless the opposition would not have jumped all over it.
Where is the connection between Planet of the Apes and black people? Is Roddy McDowell black, a real ape or what, I just can't connect the dots, sorry?
Yeah and just you are the opposition are the only ones that are upset about it, we all know they are more happy about it than sad. I think it's time to move on.
The old women didn't intend for it to be national news anyway. I wonder who it was that felt compelled to throw her under the bus. I see it for what it was, she is sorry, it''s over. It doesn't mean she's a racist, or hates blacks, or thinks they should be slaves. She doesn't like Obama and I am with her on that!
http://content9.flixster.com/photo/97/96/37/9796379_tml.jpg
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I find it odd that in a day and age where a man like Herman Cain is considered a serious candidate for the GOP that there is this chorus of compassion for this woman who thought it funny to place the image of a black man in some planet of the apes family portrait and thinks the sentiment is harmless.
Do you think Herman Cain will not be mocked ?
Wo can or should be immune to this mockery?
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/42500/Frightful-Condoleeza--42791.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/mhking/blog/condicartoon_1.jpg)
(http://www.condoleezzaforpresident.com/images/condi_whitey.jpg)
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Let us either consider it well proven that plenty of Democrats are racist, elese that cartoon mockery is a special exemption.
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Let us either consider it well proven that plenty of Democrats are racist, elese that cartoon mockery is a special exemption.
Of course they are. They are not exempt from lapses in judgement either. The question is of standards.
Are you in favor of low standards or high?
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See, that's where we disagree. I don't see 1 BAD JOKE, as inexcusable. A PATTERN of bad jokes, absolutely. A PATTERN of bad judgement, absolutely. 1 mistake, that she copiously apologised for, no. NO ONE would be in a position of authority, if that were the case. I have yet to come across the perfect politician. You have??
I see so everybody gets a free pass on the first offense.
That cub scout den leader only molested that one kid. Pass.
That husband only blackened his wife's eye that one time. Pass
That mexican only entered the country illegally that one time. Pass
That party official only exhibited that racist attitude the one time. Pass
Yeah that's the ticket.
A zero tolerance policy is a serious waste of time and resorces unless the zero tolerance is reserved for very serious matters.
BINGO.......Bt appears to have the mindset that a tasteless joke equates to a felony, be it robbery or child molestation
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No, BT said that this woman should resign, not that she should be arrested.
Resigning is voluntary, is it not?
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No one said that BT claimed, or even implied that she should be arrested. Nice strawman. He's merely consistently comparing a bad joke to that of a felony. That's all
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No, BT said that this woman should resign, not that she should be arrested.
Resigning is voluntary, is it not?
Not to worry, XO. I asked the forum if they wanted their party to have high or low standards. I pretty much have my answer.
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Absolutely. Given the level of bar height that canvases a huge throng of the Democrat party that Xo's gives a pass to, vs 1 bad joke by the GOP, we sure do have an answer
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Let us either consider it well proven that plenty of Democrats are racist, elese that cartoon mockery is a special exemption.
Of course they are. They are not exempt from lapses in judgement either. The question is of standards.
Are you in favor of low standards or high?
High standards are good , and I take your point that Republican standards need not be dependant on Democratic standards.
Neither need they be rediculous!
If this person never does anything worse than photoshopping the Presidents face onto an ape then I don't think she needs anything more than guidence about why it is counterproductive.
There is a question not yet answered , what sort of mocking of the president should be acceptable?
Please don't say none.
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There is a question not yet answered , what sort of mocking of the president should be acceptable?
Anything to do with what he has control over would be fine.
Policy for example.
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High standards are good , and I take your point that Republican standards need not be dependant on Democratic standards.
Thank you for understanding my point.
I really did not expect it to be that hard a concept to grasp.
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There is a question not yet answered , what sort of mocking of the president should be acceptable?
Anything to do with what he has control over would be fine.
Policy for example.
You would put cartoonists out of work. Ever see Bush depected by tiny close set eyes and raised eyebrows? You can do that with font, observe>
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High standards are good , and I take your point that Republican standards need not be dependant on Democratic standards.
Thank you for understanding my point.
I really did not expect it to be that hard a concept to grasp.
Who thought otherwise? Who claimed GOP standards needed to be lowered to Dem standards? More so, who claimed that Dem standards were acceptable for the GOP??
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High standards are good , and I take your point that Republican standards need not be dependant on Democratic standards.
Thank you for understanding my point.
I really did not expect it to be that hard a concept to grasp.
Who thought otherwise? Who claimed GOP standards needed to be lowered to Dem standards? More so, who claimed that Dem standards were acceptable for the GOP??
No, she shouldn't. It was poor taste & poor judgement, that's all. She apologized. Obama has demonstrated for worse judgement, & no one's calling on him to resign
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and......citing the Democrat party as doing FAR worse is hardly declaring a goal of lowering GOP standards down to theirs
Care to try again?
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There is a question not yet answered , what sort of mocking of the president should be acceptable?
Anything to do with what he has control over would be fine.
Policy for example.
You would put cartoonists out of work. Ever see Bush depected by tiny close set eyes and raised eyebrows? You can do that with font, observe>
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I guess your threshold for what would be fair game depends on whether you look at politics as sport or as a means of addressing problems.
Do we look to cartoonists and late night talk show hosts for guidance on the behavior expected of party officials?
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and......citing the Democrat party as doing FAR worse is hardly declaring a goal of lowering GOP standards down to theirs
Care to try again?
Oh please . You minimized her behavior based on Obama's behavior.
Look . I understand you find racist humor acceptable. Fine. Then perhaps she should be promoted instead of resigning.
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No, I compared it to Obama's. A CHASM of a difference.
And there you go again, claiming I don't have a problem with racist humor. Will your pathetic misrepresentations ever cease??
I have a problem with folks claiming it was a racially motivated act, minus any shred of some pattern to validate that claim. I have a problem with her being raked over the coals for a stupid tasteless joke, complete for demands for her resignation, while the left & Obama get free passes for such demands of resignation for rhetorical racial garbage and piss poor judgement FAR worse, and WITH a pattern
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No, I compared it to Obama's. A CHASM of a difference.
And there you go again, claiming I don't have a problem with racist humor. Will your pathetic misrepresentations ever cease??
I have a problem with folks claiming it was a racially motivated act, minus any shred of some pattern to validate that claim. I have a problem with her being raked over the coals for a stupid tasteless joke, complete for demands for her resignation, while the left & Obama get free passes for such demands of resignation for rhetorical racial garbage and piss poor judgement FAR worse, and WITH a pattern
There you go again. If Obama gets a pass, she should too. Lower the standards, full speed ahead.
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When she starts even getting close to his and the Dems standards, complete with a pattern of such, THEN we can entertain the idea of demanding her resignation
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When she starts even getting close to his and the Dems standards, complete with a pattern of such, THEN we can entertain the idea of demanding her resignation
There you go again. Let's lower those standards to dem levels.
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There you go again, when I said nothing of the sort. Seriously, what prompts you to pull that garbage Bt? How is my clearly stating that what the Dems do is far worse, and that if /when any republican or conservative even begins to approach that level, to demand their resignation = Let's lower those standards to Dem levels?? Garbage like that I can expect from the likes of Xo, or Tee, but you??
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Read what you just wrote.
There will be no resignations requested of GOP party functionaries until the reach the levels of the dems.
once upon a time the GOP had higher standards:
During debate over the impeachment of Bill Clinton on December 19, 1998, Livingston acknowledged that he had had an affair and resigned as Speaker-elect. He challenged President Bill Clinton to resign as well. Livingston then announced he would resign from the House in May 1999.[5] This was despite support from the Minority Leader Dick Gephardt of the Democrats who had agreed to work with Livingston had the latter assumed the Speaker's office and not make a continued issue of Livingston's affair. Indeed had Livingston become Speaker as originally intended, this would have made it much more difficult for the Republicans to carry out impeachment proceedings.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Livingston#Resignation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Livingston#Resignation)
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I wish you would read what I write. Here's a hint, at NO TIME, HAVE I SUPPORTED THE IDEA OF REPUBLICANS OR CONSERVATIVES LOWERING THEMSELVES TO THE LEVELS OF DEMOCRATS. COMPARING is NOT SUPPORTING. And When they START TO REACH (translated....heading that direction, NOT actually there), then we can start seeing some resignation demands. Here's another notch, I was one of the 1st ones demanding Livingston's resignation.
An affair however is NOT a bad joke. Not even the same ball park. Not even the same sport
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When she starts even getting close to his and the Dems standards, complete with a pattern of such, THEN we can entertain the idea of demanding her resignation
So in the meantime, business as usual. Let's give her the opportunity to form that pattern.
Maybe promote her to minority outreach or something more suitable to her skillset.
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Exactly.......1 bad joke, does not a racist make. And no, a bad joke does not equate to robbery, child molestation, or an affair either.
Maybe just leave her alone
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I had no intention of picketing her house. But i still think she should resign.
Maybe it best if i just disassociate from the GOP. Seems the members of this forum who self identify as GOP or GOP voting independents and i diverge as to how damaging her "error in judgment" could really be.