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Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« on: October 22, 2007, 12:07:13 AM »
Mukasey's Constitution
The attorney general designate refuses to be Congress's yes-man.

Sunday, October 21, 2007


While nothing emerged from the confirmation hearings last week to prevent Judge Michael Mukasey from becoming Attorney General, the questioning did show that he will be his own man and won't let himself be intimidated into adopting any Senator's personal interpretation of the Constitution.

On Wednesday, Judge Mukasey explicitly repudiated the controversial 2002 Bybee memo, which argued for an expansive view of Presidential authority regarding the Geneva Convention and torture. "The Bybee memo, to paraphrase a French diplomat," said Judge Mukasey, "was worse than a sin, it was a mistake. It was unnecessary." And on his independence of mind as Attorney General in matters of bedrock law or ethics, Judge Mukasey said that if he disagreed with President Bush, "I would try to talk him out of it, or leave." Democrats loved that.

Their ardor dimmed a day later, however, when Judge Mukasey's Democratic interlocutors tried to get him to declare himself on the legality of specific interrogation techniques, in particular on "waterboarding" (simulated drowning). Mark us down as thinking it a sign of Judge Mukasey's character to have finally told the Senators that he would not put the careers or "freedom" of the interrogators of captured terrorists at risk "simply because I want to be congenial" with the Senators' views on waterboarding.

On the issue of executive authority for warrantless eavesdropping, Judge Mukasey was also robust, and refreshing. The President, he said, "does not stand above the law. But the law emphatically includes the Constitution." And that Constitutional authority, he said, includes the President's power to defend the country.

This was not what Senator Pat Leahy and his colleagues wanted to hear, and they groused publicly, as is their habit. But aren't these the same Members who had said going in to the hearings that they didn't want a yes-man as Attorney General?  We would hope that includes not taking dictation on Constitutional interpretation from individual Members of Congress.


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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2007, 12:10:03 AM »
Torturing Mukasey
The judge becomes a pawn in the politics of interrogation.

Monday, October 29, 2007


Just when you thought someone might be confirmed in Washington without a partisan fight, Senate Democrats are suggesting they may not approve Michael Mukasey as Attorney General after all. The judge's offense is that he's declined to declare "illegal" an interrogation technique in the war on terror that Congress itself has never specifically banned.

Last week, Democrats postponed a vote on his nomination. And all 10 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee have sent Judge Mukasey a letter expressing alarm that he refused to repudiate "waterboarding" during his recent confirmation hearing. "I don't know what's involved in the technique. If waterboarding is torture, torture is not constitutional," the judge had said. This seems fair enough, because both the Justice Department's legal opinions on interrogation and the specific CIA practices are classified. It would be irresponsible for Judge Mukasey to make any declarations about the law or practice until he knows the details.

That's not good enough for Democrats, who are under pressure from their antiwar left to keep pinning a phony "torture" rap on the Bush Administration. The letter from the Judiciary Democrats demands that Judge Mukasey declare himself on the legality of "waterboarding," with the clear implication that if he gives the wrong answer his nomination won't make it out of committee. These are the same Democrats who had declared, before he was nominated, that Judge Mukasey was exactly the sort of "consensus" choice they welcomed.

The irony here is that Congress has twice had the chance to ban waterboarding, or simulated drowning, but has twice declined to do so. In both the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006, Congress only barred "cruel, inhuman or degrading" treatment. While some Members have said they believe waterboarding is banned by that language, when given the chance to say so specifically in a statute and be accountable for it, they refused.

As usual, Congress wants it both ways. The Members want to denounce what they call "torture," but the last thing they want is to be responsible if some future detainee knows about an imminent terrorist attack but the CIA can't get the information because Congress barred certain kinds of interrogation. So they toss their non-specific language into the lap of the executive, and say "You figure it out."

Yet they still object because the Justice Department has since tried to interpret that language by providing some practical, specific guidelines to the CIA. According to several news reports, the CIA rarely uses waterboarding but believes it can be useful against the very hardest cases.

Senator John McCain all but acknowledged Congress's political dodge when he once said that, while he deplored aggressive interrogation, in extremis a President might have to approve it. And in that case, he added, the Commander in Chief has the power to absolve some Jack Bauer-type who did the dirty work. At least Mr. McCain is honest about the realities of the war on terror, in which surveillance and interrogation are two essential tools to prevent future attacks. But this also passes the buck from Congress to the executive, and CIA interrogators can be forgiven if they want more specific guidance lest they be interrogated themselves by the Monday-morning generals on the Judiciary Committee.

We hope Mr. Mukasey holds fast to his earlier answer. If he makes a declaration of illegality, he will be doing so without all the facts and will undermine the Office of Legal Counsel officials he may soon supervise at Justice. If he attempts the feint of saying that he is personally opposed to waterboarding or other aggressive techniques, he may get confirmed. But Congress will eventually ask if he's gone on to ban these techniques, which in any case is a Presidential decision. The judge will only be buying political trouble for himself later.

If Democrats want a 2008 debate over specific interrogation procedures, then by all means let's have it.

And if they want to ban waterboarding, or for that matter any stressful interrogation, they can try to do so. But they shouldn't use a universally hailed Attorney General nominee as a political pawn to appease the antiwar left even as they refuse to say what kind of interrogation they do support.


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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2007, 09:06:39 AM »
Detainees HAVE been tortured, both by the USA and the goonish governments that detainees were remanded to.

It is not IN ANY WAY a phony charge.l

Waterboarding is torture. This clown should either agree to that or look for another job.

And that is not all. This clown is NOT "universally hailed". I don't hail him and I am fer from being the only one.

You, I am sure, not only hail him but heil him as well.
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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2007, 10:40:11 AM »
You, I am sure, not only hail him but heil him as well.

What is it with Democrats and calling people who disagree with them Nazis?
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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2007, 11:03:17 AM »
You, I am sure, not only hail him but heil him as well.

What is it with Democrats and calling people who disagree with them Nazis?

It does appear to be analogus to a reflex.  The farther left in your idiocy, the faster it comes out
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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2007, 12:14:04 PM »
The farther right you are, the more obvious it becomes.

Ve should all respekt Herr Mukasey bekause he is "universally hailed".

Ve muss all agree. Ve muss all march togezzer! Ein Zwei Drei Fuhr!
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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2007, 12:19:41 PM »
Ve muss all agree. Ve muss all march togezzer! Ein Zwei Drei Fuhr!

And, interestingly enough, it's the Democrats who vote in one block and refuse admittance to their party unless everyone toes the party line.

Go figure.
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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2007, 12:28:51 PM »
The problem is that there are two major parties, and on a global political spectrum, one is right wing, the other is center-right to centrist.

The Democrats haven't been leftist in years. Most Americans who call themselves leftists are members of the "New Left" which is something of a cause-du-jour group of secular individualists, with very little in the way of any real philosophical foundation.

So when you have two very similar parties that are the only game in town, what do you have to really argue about? Issues? Not really because the disagreements aren't that substantial. No, it comes down to character assassinations and nothing could be nastier than that.

There are no real Fascists in here, because that would mean taking an actual political and philosophical stand. It is mostly a group of individualists (with exceptions of course) who take laborious pains to justify what their "team" is standing for today.
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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2007, 12:32:36 PM »
The problem is that there are two major parties, and on a global political spectrum, one is right wing, the other is center-right to centrist.

Actually, I've always said that the two major parties both want to take your rights away, they just disagree over the order they want to remove them...
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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2007, 01:44:17 PM »
How hard would it be for Mukasey to say: "Yes. Waterboarding IS torture, and we won't be doing any more of it in the few remaining quackings of the Lame Duck that are the death throes of the Juniorbush Administration.

How hard would that be for this clown to say?

And why, of why won't he say it.

UNLESS he is all for waterboarding.

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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2007, 12:42:18 PM »
Nominee?s Stand May Avoid Tangle of Torture Cases
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Scott L. Silliman, an expert on national security law at Duke University School of Law, said any statement by Mr. Mukasey that waterboarding was illegal torture ?would open up Pandora?s box,? even in the United States. Such a statement from an attorney general would override existing Justice Department legal opinions and create intense pressure from human rights groups to open a criminal investigation of interrogation practices, Mr. Silliman said.

    ?You would ask not just who carried it out, but who specifically approved it,? said Mr. Silliman, director of the Center on Law, Ethics and National Security at Duke. ?Theoretically, it could go all the way up to the president of the United States; that?s why he?ll never say it?s torture,? Mr. Silliman said of Mr. Mukasey.
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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2007, 12:45:42 PM »
Thursday, November 01, 2007

Judge Mukasey and the Groucho Marx Principle

JB

This New York Times article suggests that Judge Mukasey cannot announce that waterboarding is illegal at his confirmation hearings for Attorney General because of concern that this would lead to criminal prosecutions and civil suits against CIA operatives who performed interrogations.

Do not believe it.


The Congress twice bestowed immunity in the Detainee Treatment Act and the Military Commissions Act. And if CIA operatives acted in good faith on OLC opinions, which are binding law in the executive branch, they are immune from prosecution. Even if these immunities do not extend to civil lawsuits, such lawsuits are likely barred by a combination of immunities created for government (and military) personnel. The Administration has been quite careful to ensure that its members-- and those obeying its orders-- will never be held to account in any American court of law.

To be sure, if Bush Administration officials travel abroad, they may be indicted and tried for war crimes. But if so, that is already true, and Judge Mukasey's statement would not trigger liability: it would merely be additional evidence-- if any were needed-- that waterboarding is a war crime.

The real reason why Judge Mukasey cannot say that waterboarding is illegal is that Administration officials have repeatedly insisted that they do not torture, and that they have acted both legally and honorably. If Judge Mukasey said that waterboarding is illegal, it would require the Bush Administration to admit that it repeatedly lied to the American people and brought shame and dishonor on the United States of America. If Judge Mukasey were to say waterboarding is illegal and not just "a dunk in the water" in Vice President Cheney's terminology, he would have announced that, as incoming Attorney General, he is entering an Administration of liars and torturers.

Several Republican Senators, who are living in a fool's paradise, have pleaded with Judge Mukasey to declare waterboarding illegal after he becomes Attorney General and has time to study the matter thoroughly. But the Administration would be no happier with such an announcement after confirmation than before. One can be quite certain that enormous pressure will be brought to bear on Mukasey after he enters the Administration never to make that particular pronouncement.

Which places any Attorney General nominee in a difficult bind: The Bush Admininstration will not nominate anyone to be Attorney General who will state publicly that what the Administration did was illegal or dishonorable. That means that the only persons who can be nominated are those who are willing to be complicit in its illegality and dishonor. For if the nominee admitted that the Administration had repeatedly misled the American people about the legality of its actions, he would not be welcome in the Bush Administration.

It is a bit like Groucho Marx's famous line: To be Attorney General in the Bush Administration requires apology for lawbreaking and torture. No Attorney General with any self respect should want to join an Administration like this that would have him as a member.

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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2007, 01:01:21 PM »
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The real reason why Judge Mukasey cannot say that waterboarding is illegal is that Administration officials have repeatedly insisted that they do not torture, and that they have acted both legally and honorably. If Judge Mukasey said that waterboarding is illegal, it would require the Bush Administration to admit that it repeatedly lied to the American people and brought shame and dishonor on the United States of America. If Judge Mukasey were to say waterboarding is illegal and not just "a dunk in the water" in Vice President Cheney's terminology, he would have announced that, as incoming Attorney General, he is entering an Administration of liars and torturers.

Guess he won't be saying it is illegal, then.


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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2007, 01:12:50 PM »
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/11/01/mukasey/print.html

The sad decline of Michael Mukasey

His reputation for integrity was meant to restore credibility to the Justice Department. Instead, his remarks on waterboarding show that he, like Alberto Gonzales, has let the White House call the shots.

By Sidney Blumenthal

Nov. 01, 2007 | When President Bush nominated Michael Mukasey as attorney general his distinguished career was offered as guarantee of his integrity and independence. A former federal district judge, senior partner at a major law firm and former assistant U.S. attorney, well known and widely respected by the New York bar, he appeared to have the experience and balance needed to restore trust to the battered Justice Department. The previous attorney general, Alberto Gonzales, had been an eager plaything of the White House, a factotum from Texas who faithfully followed orders to politicize and purge for partisan purposes. While Mukasey espouses conservative views upholding an expansive interpretation of the executive, and argues that warrantless domestic surveillance is therefore justified, Democratic senators on the Judiciary Committee were still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Then Mukasey was questioned about whether waterboarding -- a technique of forced drowning first used in the Spanish Inquisition and by orders of the Bush administration applied to accused terrorist detainees -- is torture. At great length, the nominee feigned lack of knowledge: "I think it would be irresponsible of me to discuss particular techniques with which I am not familiar when there are people who are using coercive techniques and who are being authorized to use coercive techniques. And for me to say something that is going to put their careers or freedom at risk simply because I want to be congenial, I don't think it would be responsible of me to do that." Questioned further, he said, "If it amounts to torture, it is not constitutional." But he would not say whether it was torture.

All 10 Democratic senators on the committee sent Mukasey a letter asking him to clarify whether waterboarding is torture. On Oct. 30, the nominee replied in four convoluted pages. He called waterboarding "over the line" and "repugnant" on "a personal basis," but adopted the lawyerly pose that it was merely an academic issue: "Hypotheticals are different from real life and in any legal opinion the actual facts and circumstances are critical."

Mukasey's retreat into abstraction, however, did not shield him from controversy. On the contrary, Democratic senators on the committee now declared that his nomination was in jeopardy. With his deliberately opaque replies, Mukasey had failed to protect himself, but instead in a stroke exposed himself to rejection. He did not suddenly find himself in trouble because he was an outsider to Washington. Nor had he committed a gaffe or a slip of the tongue, or displayed strange behavior. The nominee who was to be the break from Gonzales was acting remarkably like Gonzales.

Mukasey is not a free agent. He had been strictly briefed and in his testimony was following orders. He has avoided calling waterboarding torture because that is consistent with the administration's position and past practice. Mukasey's refusal to disavow waterboarding reveals his acceptance of his assignment to a secondary role as attorney general, an inferior agent, not a constitutional officer, to certain political appointees in the White House.

Those who are responsible for waterboarding have defined and dictated Mukasey's evasions. His acquiescence demonstrates that no one in his position could take a contrary view to that of David Addington, Vice President Cheney's former counsel and now chief of staff, who directed and coauthored the infamous memos by former deputy assistant director of the Office of Legal Counsel John Yoo justifying torture, and charged the current acting director of OLC, Stephen Bradbury, to issue new memos rationalizing it.

Addington is the reigning legal authority within the administration, presiding over the attorney general no matter who would fill the job. Addington rules by decree and tantrum, intolerant of any alternative opinion, which he suppresses with intimidation and threat. Gonzales, as White House counsel and then attorney general, was the marionette of Karl Rove and Addington. Rove is gone, but Addington remains.

In his confirmation hearings, Mukasey has proved he will dance as the strings are pulled. His positions on waterboarding express precisely the relationship between the Bush White House and its Justice Department. Mukasey's testimony telegraphs that the White House will continue to call the shots. He has already ceded the essence of his power even before assuming it. His vaunted integrity and independence have been crushed, short work for Addington.

Addington's dominion over the law -- controlling the writing of the president's executive orders and the memos from OLC, the office of the White House counsel and the carefully placed network of general counsels throughout the federal government's departments and agencies -- is a well-established and central aspect of Cheney's power. Addington has been indispensable to the vice president since he served as his counsel on the joint congressional committee investigating the Iran-Contra scandal, when Cheney was the ranking minority member. In that capacity, Addington wrote, under Cheney's signature, the notorious minority report that was an early clarion call for the imperial presidency.

Addington and Cheney's report decried Congress for its "hysteria" over the Iran-Contra scandal, which involved the selling of missiles to Iran to finance arms for the Nicaraguan Contras against explicit congressional legislation. The Constitution, they argued, "leaves little, if any doubt that the president was expected to have the primary role of conducting the foreign policy of the United States." They added: "Congressional actions to limit the president in this area therefore should be reviewed with a considerable degree of skepticism. If they interfere with the core presidential foreign policy functions, they should be struck down."

The Cheney minority report was the doctrinal basis for the Bush presidency: the unitary executive, the commander in chief ruling in wartime by fiat and, ultimately, torture being defined as whatever the president, not the Geneva Conventions, said it was. Addington's authorship of the Cheney Iran-Contra report was largely overlooked until fairly recently, but his deeper connection to that scandal and its resonance have received little attention.

In the 1980s, Addington, then in his 20s, served as deputy counsel to CIA director William Casey, the moving force behind the Iran-Contra affair and the most powerful figure in the Reagan administration after the president. Along with other hotshots in the counsel's office, Addington was part of what became known within the agency as the "Lawless Group," named after Richard Lawless, a CIA operative who was a close assistant to Casey, according to a former senior CIA official. After Casey's death, Rep. Dick Cheney co-opted the "Lawless Group," putting its members in key positions when he was secretary of defense during the first Bush administration and vice president in the second. (Lawless, for example, after working as Jeb Bush's business partner, served as deputy undersecretary of defense, retiring this past April.)

"A lot of the decisions on Iran-Contra were signed off by the counsel's office," a longtime senior CIA official told me. "It was not a renegade operation. It had lawyers, just like now. Everything they were doing was run by the general counsel's office and Addington was deputy. You may draw your own conclusions, as the Russians say." In fact, the role of the counsel's office surfaced in the trial of Alan Fiers, the CIA agent in charge of the Central American Task Force, who pleaded guilty to misleading Congress. But that role was never investigated or ever really reported.

"These guys don't like the mainstream CIA. In fact, they hate it," the CIA official explained. "They don't like information unless it fits what they want to hear. They hate the CIA because the CIA tells them what they don't want to hear. They want assessments that prove ideological points. They are looking for simplistic answers to complicated issues. They inhabit a make-believe world of moving up into perceived areas of expertise. It's the same guys; they all resurface when Republicans are back in power. It's the same group. It's a system. The similarities are amazing in all these wars we've been dragged into."

Casey is the half-forgotten forefather of the radical Bush presidency. A clandestine agent of the Office of Strategic Services during World War II, the intelligence group predating the CIA, Casey became a wealthy and politically influential lawyer. He was among the original godfathers of the conservative movement, serving on the board of the right-wing Regnery publishing house, operating as financier of William F. Buckley Jr.'s National Review and founding conservative think tank the Manhattan Institute.

An avid supporter of Richard Nixon's, Casey was appointed chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission and president of the Import-Export Bank. Casey regarded the Watergate scandal as a mere political attack, "political shenanigans," as he described it to Nixon in a private letter in May 1973. In 1980, Casey was director of Reagan's campaign. After the election he wanted to be named secretary of state, but settled for CIA director.

"By God, we've got to get rid of the lawyers!" he told William Webster, Reagan's FBI director. Tim Weiner, in his newly published history of the CIA, "Legacy of Ashes," writes, "Like Nixon, he believed that if it's secret, it's legal." "Casey was an inappropriate choice," said former CIA director George H.W. Bush.

Casey conducted his own foreign policy, relying on secret methods and men of action. His rival, Reagan Secretary of State George Shultz, remarked, "The CIA's intelligence was in many cases simply Bill Casey's ideology." "Casey had made of himself a clandestine secretary of State," wrote his biographer Joseph Persico in "The Lives and Secrets of William J. Casey: From the OSS to the CIA." "His involvements in Afghanistan, China, the Philippines, Iran, and Central America had not been simply those of a spy chief but those of a covert foreign minister."

Casey chose Lt. Col. Oliver North to run the covert Contra operation and suggested to him plans for illegal supply in violation of the Boland Amendment and how to use a middleman for selling arms to Iran. The final report of the joint congressional committee on the Iran-Contra scandal concluded: "We believe that the late Director of Central Intelligence, William Casey, encouraged North, gave him direction and promoted the concept of an extra-legal covert organization." "The person who managed this whole affair was Casey," said Abraham Sofaer, then the State Department's counsel.

Before congressional committees, Casey falsely testified that the CIA was unaware of the shipment of missiles to Iran. His perjury was exactly the same as that of then National Security Advisor John Poindexter, on the same question, and it is likely he would have been indicted, faced trial and been convicted, like Poindexter. Casey's then deputy, Robert Gates, now secretary of defense, said, "Casey was guilty of contempt of Congress from the day he was sworn in." Adm. Bobby Inman, who preceded Gates as deputy, had resigned because, he said, "I caught him lying to me in a number of cases." Inman's immediate successor as deputy, John McMahon, quit after opposing the Iranian arms deal. After a week of mumbling appearances before Congress, Casey collapsed from a cancerous brain tumor and died.

Casey's closest aides -- including the Lawless Group -- scattered. Cheney promptly hired Addington. As his counsel, Addington attacked the investigation, defended the administration and covered up his own involvement in the Casey operation. One former prominent Democratic Senate staff member who had directed the probe told me that the Democrats were unaware of Addington's link to Casey. If they had been they would have raised it as a dangerous conflict of interest and demanded that he be removed. "Addington never should have been permitted to work on the committee," he said. "But no one paid attention to his background. It wasn't important."

Cheney's defense of Casey's actions as written by Addington in the minority report became the core of the Bush doctrine: The president as commander in chief can do whatever he wants regardless of Congress. There must be no checks and balances, no accountability. There must be no disclosure to other branches of government, whether legislative or judicial. Oral findings, or, if necessary, secret memos, make the illegal legal merely by saying they are legal in the name of presidential authority. The operational need to know determines who knows.

Now Mukasey, who was supposed to restore credibility to the Justice Department, has been transformed overnight into a cog in the machine, another servant to his masters, Addington's apologist. His brief tragedy is just one small outcome of a long history. The almost instantaneous tainting of his reputation should have been understood from the start as inevitable.

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Re: Mukasey on refusing to be Congress's yes-man
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2007, 11:33:58 AM »
Thanks for the opinion, Sid.  Given your history of said op-eds, I think its safe to conclude you have an obvious bias against this administration, and anyone in it.  As such, your opinion here is hardly surprising, nor what one might consider "objective"
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