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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on April 15, 2010, 05:34:46 PM
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Obamas earned $5.5 million in 2009
Bidens donate below-average amount to charity
April 15, 2010
By Kara Rowland
President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama earned $5.5 million in 2009, most of which came from the sale of Mr. Obama's books, according to tax returns made public by the White House Thursday.
The couple paid nearly $1.8 million in federal income taxes and $163,000 in state income taxes. They donated about $329,000 to 40 different charities, in addition to Mr. Obama's donation of his $1.4 million Nobel Prize money, which he gave to 10 charities.
The Obamas' largest single contributions to charity were $50,000 each to CARE, an organization fighting global poverty, and the United Negro College Fund.
Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his wife Jill reported a joint income of $333,000, giving $4,820 -- 1.44 percent -- of that to charity.
Estimates by charitable donations find that most givers donate between 3 and 5 percent of their salaries.
The Bidens paid $71,000 in federal income taxes, and more than $12,000 in taxes to Delaware and nearly $1,500 in Virginia.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/15/obamas-earned-55-million-2009b/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/15/obamas-earned-55-million-2009b/)
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Liberals don't believe in giving their money to charity they give other peoples money like yours and mine and then claim they did a good deed and ask for more votes because they a so generous.
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How about nobody runs for office in the U.S. unless he first takes an oath of poverty and gives away all his stuff to the poor?
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How about nobody runs for office in the U.S. unless he first takes an oath of poverty and gives away all his stuff to the poor?
Not a sign of good decision making. I doubt that kind of candidate would be viable.
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<<Not a sign of good decision making. >>
Surely that depends on your individual values.
<<I doubt that kind of candidate would be viable. >>
Viable? He'd be incorruptible.
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Viable? He'd be incorruptible.
Silly boy.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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<<Not a sign of good decision making. >>
Surely that depends on your individual values.
<<I doubt that kind of candidate would be viable. >>
Viable? He'd be incorruptible.
You have just described Robespierre, known as "The Uncorruptable"
http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/robespierre.html (http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/robespierre.html)
Don't need that.
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I bet that Biden gave a much higher percentage of his income to charity than Rupert Murdock, Rush Limbaugh, Mitch McConnell or Glenn Beck.
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I bet that Biden gave a much higher percentage of his income to charity than Rupert Murdock, Rush Limbaugh, Mitch McConnell or Glenn Beck.
The Murdock Family is well represented in philanthropic circles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Murdoch_%28philanthropist%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Murdoch_%28philanthropist%29)
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I bet that Biden gave a much higher percentage of his income to charity than Rupert Murdock, Rush Limbaugh, Mitch McConnell or Glenn Beck.
I would bet you are wrong
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And I'd bet that Xo would come up with some spin to rationalize it ;)
I think we could also bet that Xo will make some vain pithy snarky comment about moronic behavior and/or something Rush/Beck related
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I bet that Biden gave a much higher percentage of his income to charity than Rupert Murdock, Rush Limbaugh, Mitch McConnell or Glenn Beck.
Dont bet anything you can't do without.
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I bet that Biden gave a much higher percentage of his income to charity than Rupert Murdock, Rush Limbaugh, Mitch McConnell or Glenn Beck.
Dont bet anything you can't do without.
Rush Announces eBay Charity Auction of Harry Reid's Letter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PppO7hF7ugY#)
http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2007/10/rush-limbaugh-auctions-off-harry-reids.html (http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2007/10/rush-limbaugh-auctions-off-harry-reids.html)
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<<I bet that Biden gave a much higher percentage of his income to charity than Rupert Murdock, Rush Limbaugh, Mitch McConnell or Glenn Beck.>>
LMFAO. XO compared Biden to FOUR different cryptofascists and so far only ONE of them was even half-assedly disputed. (The Murdoch family's charitable endeavours were discussed, but without any reference to what percentage of their vast incomes went to charity.) This leaves THREE cryptofascists that (apart from the charity auction of a politically-charged letter of dubious value) didn't even generate a half-assed rebuttal.
Of course, in the conservative school of simple arithmetic for the logically challenged, this adds up to a stunning victory for the cryptofascists and a smashing defeat for XO.
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Glenn Beck is Mormon, Mitch McConnell is Baptist.
Both of those routinely tithe 10% of their incomes.
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<<Glenn Beck is Mormon, Mitch McConnell is Baptist.
<<Both of those routinely tithe 10% of their incomes.>>
Mormons don't drink, yet the Mormon Glenn Beck is an alcoholic.
Wide-ranging generalizations about what "Mormons" or "Baptists" all do or don't do are of very little use in answering the question, which is "What did THIS Mormon do?" or "What did THAT Baptist do?"
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The bigger question is what does Glenn Beck have to do with Biden's Charitable donations, and only surpassed with why should we care what Biden donates?
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<<I bet that Biden gave a much higher percentage of his income to charity than Rupert Murdock, Rush Limbaugh, Mitch McConnell or Glenn Beck.>>
LMFAO. XO compared Biden to FOUR different cryptofascists and so far only ONE of them was even half-assedly disputed. (The Murdoch family's charitable endeavours were discussed, but without any reference to what percentage of their vast incomes went to charity.) This leaves THREE cryptofascists that (apart from the charity auction of a politically-charged letter of dubious value) didn't even generate a half-assed rebuttal.
It's an empty accusation. Minus any evidence to validate Xo's claims, its merely his opinion. Not sure what your problem is. Actually, I do
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Mormons don't drink, yet the Mormon Glenn Beck is an alcoholic.
He converted to LDS as part of his recovery.
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<<He converted to LDS as part of his recovery.>>
That doesn't alter my point that not every Mormon or Baptist adheres to all the tenets of their respective religions. If I had a buck for every Baptist that violates their preachings against extra-marital sex, I'd be a very rich man. Belonging to either religion is no guarantee that either of them tithes or observes any of the other religious tenets and even if they did, the only comparison worth making with Biden is what percentage of their income is given away versus what percentage of his.
Besides which, some of the charitable donations if made to Church charities, could just be another way of buying power. They give to their own base, become trustees of their own charitable funds and acquire name recognition and support in two very powerful and politically active churches which are capable of providing invaluable assistance at key points in the election cycle.
I'm not impressed with any of these guys, and I don't see why Biden has to get into some kind of giving contest with them, even if he'd probably win it against Beck, Limbaugh and McConnell.
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Both of those churches require the tithes to remain members.
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<<Both of those churches require the tithes to remain members.>>
I think I understand what you meant to say and if so, it means that politicians who tithe to either of those churches are buying themselves a lot of dedicated support.
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On second thought, maybe I didn't understand you. You gotta tithe or you're out on your ass? Or the tithes have to be paid to the benefit of the members who can't tithe?
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On second thought, maybe I didn't understand you. You gotta tithe or you're out on your ass? Or the tithes have to be paid to the benefit of the members who can't tithe?
10% of gross income is tithed to the church by all members. Without paying your tithes, you are no longer a member of the church.
Those members who cannot afford to live on their incomes after tithing are then helped by other church members and the support of the church to make ends meet. The LDS (Mormon) church is especially hard core on the latter, to the point of running their own grocery stores for members that charge on a sliding scale (those who can afford more pay more for the food, those who cannot, pay less or get the groceries for free) and weekly visits to church members by other members to help out with any problems or stuff around the house.