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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on October 06, 2008, 07:26:29 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/elisabeth-hasselback-push_n_132239.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/elisabeth-hasselback-push_n_132239.html)
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/elisabeth-hasselback-push_n_132239.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/elisabeth-hasselback-push_n_132239.html)
Almost as big an airhead as Palin.
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And the others could do is shout her down.
No facts no truth just volume.
Patterns form.
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>>No facts no truth just volume.<<
It's the same in here. There's always the point where they turn up the volume with insults and curses and just plain bullshit.
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That blonde ditz had nothing. Except a shrill annoying voice.
I fail to see why anyone should care about Ayers. When he was in the Weather Underground, Obama was eight years old. This is the biggest non-issue ever.
Second biggest: the topic of Michelle Obama's thesis is even less important.
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Talking about having to talk fast.O'Reilly is pure jerk but you jerks in here will love it:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nikj5wW_Y5I[/youtube]
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Well BO, I'm not surprised you're not interested in Barry's associations with an unrepentant terrorist since you're sort of an unrepentant terrorist yourself. At any rate, you're a sympathiser.
I think America needs to know who they're electing. Somebody has to let them know, the media certainly isn't doing it. I understand that Barry's blame America first foreign policy is attractive to the foaming left but the heartland likes their presidents to actually like America. They expect their First Ladies to do likewise. They need to know that Barry and Michelle forced their children to listen to the racist, anti-America screeds of the "Rev." Wright. It's also important for the heartland to know Barry hates white folks. They need to know Barry is nothing but another liberal in a long line of liberals trotted out by the democrat party to lie to the them. Again.
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Once in a while I actually like Bill.
Once in a while.
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That blonde ditz had nothing. Except a shrill annoying voice.
I fail to see why anyone should care about Ayers. When he was in the Weather Underground, Obama was eight years old. This is the biggest non-issue ever.
Second biggest: the topic of Michelle Obama's thesis is even less important.
(http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/features_ayers1.jpg)
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/05/flag-desecration-of-the-day-bill-ayers-stomps-on-old-glory/ (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/05/flag-desecration-of-the-day-bill-ayers-stomps-on-old-glory/)
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/ (http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/)
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/ (http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/)
How old was BHO in 2001 when this picture was taken?
Why do people keep saying that Barak Obama was only eight when Ayers was bad?
What is Ayers now?
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Plane, you can ask a simple question to get to the bottom of the Ayers fiasco.
If you knew there was an unrepentant Klansman serving on a board you were asked to serve on, would you:
a.) Ignore him and except.
b.) Demand that he resign before you serve.
or
c.) refuse based on his presence.
It's really that simple. Obama did none of these because he was friendly with Ayers. He didn't think twice about it, he was happy to serve with Ayers.
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Why do people keep saying that Barak Obama was only eight when Ayers was bad?
That would be because he was.
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What is Ayers now?
A free man, with no warrants outstanding.
Why do you suggest that Ayers has no right to support anyone he wishes?
All you assholes that supported the war in Vietnam seem to think you have rights.
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Actually the KKK does support( not endorse, ya know) McCain. Why would anyone but a moron be surprised?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ez2C4GwqE4[/youtube]
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All you assholes that supported the war in Vietnam seem to think you have rights.
So you would have no problem if someone who had supported the war , bombes Ayers and his family?
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(http://www.punditreview.com/byrd.jpg)
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That is a photoshopped image and you know it.
No one takes you seriously with this sort of crap.
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Of course I know it. It's obviously just a way to make a point.
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Actually the KKK does support( not endorse, ya know) McCain. Why would anyone but a moron be surprised?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ez2C4GwqE4[/youtube]
I wonder if Knute is aware he is using the same guilt by association argument he is saying is invalid in the ayers-wright-obama trio.
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Actually the KKK does support( not endorse, ya know) McCain. Why would anyone but a moron be surprised?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ez2C4GwqE4[/youtube]
I wonder if Knute is aware he is using the same guilt by association argument he is saying is invalid in the ayers-wright-obama trio.
Oh Horrors ! The difference is that I am just a humble LW cyber in a room primarily of RW cyber nutcases who actually believe such bullshit because it is actually spouted by their candidates.
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Of course I know it. It's obviously just a way to make a point.
The point being that you will say or do anything to support your lame and defunct ideology, and cannot be trusted to even possess "truthiness".
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Oh Horrors ! The difference is that I am just a humble LW cyber in a room primarily of RW cyber nutcases who actually believe such bullshit because it is actually spouted by their candidates.
Are you confirming that you aren't to be taken seriously?
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<<[Knute] is using the same guilt by association argument he is saying is invalid in the ayers-wright-obama trio.>>
Only in the typically malfunctioning brain of a right-wing ideologue would one be as guilty for associating with the KKK as one is for associating with Bill Ayers.
For the record, Ayers is one of my all-time heroes. He stood up to fascism bomb for bomb during the American war against Viet Nam, only his bombs were aimed at buildings only and tried to spare human life. By contrast, the bombs of the war criminal John McCain were aimed at, and took the lives of, thousands of Third World people whose only crime was to fight to free their homeland from foreign invaders, be they French, Japs or Americans. McCain's bombs burned them alive in napalm, men, women and children. In a just and fair world, McCain and his commanding officers would have been hanged long ago as war criminals and Bill Ayers would have received the highest award that a grateful and peace-loving world could have bestowed upon him.
To the extent that Obama enjoyed Bill Ayers' friendship, support and encouragement, IMHO he was greatly honoured.
Americans are prisoners of their own taboos. For some reason they are afraid to call McCain the criminal that he is, and even his political opponents feel compelled to offer praise to his "courage" and his "sacrifice" (the latter an allusion to his phony claims of torture) and "love of country." Americans need the courage to speak out against their own criminals, specifically those in the military and the CIA, to condemn their actions without reservation and to insist upon the supreme penalty for them. A criminal is a criminal is a criminal. And until they find the moral courage to do so, they will continue to live under the lash of fascism, racism and militarism, with none but themselves to blame.
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I'll ask you the same question. Would you be OK with me bombing your family because we disagree politically?
That seems to be what makes Ayers your hero.
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Would you be OK with me bombing your family because we disagree politically?
Ayers did not bomb any families. I don't know that he has ever bombed anything.
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Sure he did:
Anti-personnel bomb set on window-ledge in San Francisco
Brian V. McDonnell, a sergeant with the San Franscisco Police Department who received fatal shrapnel wounds from a pipe bomb set off on February 16, 1970.
Brian V. McDonnell, a sergeant with the San Franscisco Police Department who received fatal shrapnel wounds from a pipe bomb set off on February 16, 1970.
In a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, a pipe bomb filled with heavy metal staples and lead bullet projectiles was set off on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. In the blast, Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded while Robert Fogarty, another police officer, received severe wounds to his face and legs and was partially blinded.[17]
While no group has ever claimed responsibility for the bombing, it has been attributed several times to the Weathermen,[18][19] and Weatherman leader Bernardine Dohrn has been suspected of involvement. At the time, Dohrn was said to be living with a Weatherman cell in a houseboat in Sausalito, California, unnamed law enforcement sources later told KRON-TV.[20] An investigation into the case was reopened in 1999,[21] and a San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed,[20] and no one was ever arrested for the bombing.[21] An FBI informant, Larry Grathwohl, who successfully penetrated the organization from the late summer of 1969 until April 1970, later testified to a U.S. Senate subcommittee that Bill Ayers, then a high-ranking member of the organization and a member of its Central Committee (but not then Dohrn's husband), had said Dohrn constructed and planted the bomb. Grathwohl testified that Ayers had told him specifically where the bomb was placed (on a window ledge) and what kind of shrapnel was put in it. Grathwohl said Ayers was emphatic, leading Grathwohl to believe Ayers either was present at some point during the operation or had heard about it from someone who was there.[22] In a book about his experiences published in 1976, Grathwohl wrote that Ayers, who had recently attended a meeting of the group's Central Committee, said Dohrn had planned the operation, made the bomb and placed it herself.[23] In 2008, author David Freddoso commented that "Ayers and Dohrn escaped prosecution only because of government misconduct in collecting evidence against them".[22][24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization))
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>>Ayers did not bomb any families. I don't know that he has ever bombed anything.<<
Unbelievable. Nobody denies this fact. Nobody. Not even Obama. Not even Ayers.
This is your democrat today folks. Totally out of touch with reality.
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>>Only in the typically malfunctioning brain of a right-wing ideologue would one be as guilty for associating with the KKK as one is for associating with Bill Ayers.<<
I imagine the normal people in the room got the connection between Knutty's KKK video and the fact that the only one political party has an ex Grand Wizard currently serving in the Senate.
Good grief.
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Unbelievable. Nobody denies this fact. Nobody. Not even Obama. Not even Ayers.
Okay, let's see some proof.
What families did he bomb?
How many innocent victims?
You never know what you are talking about.
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Oh Horrors ! The difference is that I am just a humble LW cyber in a room primarily of RW cyber nutcases who actually believe such bullshit because it is actually spouted by their candidates.
Are you confirming that you aren't to be taken seriously?
I am confirming that I dont always believe obvious horseshit, as your weaksuck on the ticket might say,[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y46k-1-tElY[/youtube] but it seems that you RW morons always do when they spew it themselves .
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>>You never know what you are talking about.<<
<chuckle>
This from the guy who cliams Ayers never bombed anybody.
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I have since posted the Wikipedia article about Ayers.
The Weather Underground set off several bombs, but no one was killed by any of their bombs except themselves. They were great music critics, but really incompetent as a political action group, and were somewhat flaky Anarchists, not Communists.
I did not say he didn't bomb anyone, I said I did not know that he did or did not.
Being curious, unlike you, I looked it up.
Then I posted it. You can read it, though I doubt you read anything.
Ayers was never convicted of anything. His wife was in jail for a while, and is now out. He no longer bombs anything, just as McCain no longer bombs anyone, drops no napalm on anyone or strafes anyone.
My guess is that McCain singlehandedly killed lots more folks and did lots more damage than all the Weather Underground put together.