Shooting on a train

[sirs]

Fact is, your ongoing verbageabout increased guns increased crime, is debunked by THE FACT, that in this country, despite increased guns, violent crime has been coming down.  That's of course, excluding those areas with the most strictest gun control, reinforcing Plane's point how such restrictions hamper/impeded only the law abiding, while the criminal still gets his AK47 to try shoot and shoot up a train

[Xavier_Onassis]

This country is not the world. This country has a much higher number of gun deaths than Western European countries, Australia and Japan, and the reason is the number and availability of guns.

It is stupid to talk about this country as though other countries do not exist and are irrelevant. They are PROOF that the more guns there are, the more people are going to be shot.

[sirs]

This country is not the world.

Says the fella that continually harps about other country's Government run healthcare efforts, and our need to be like them.  In THIS country however, the FACT remains, that you can not change, that although MORE guns are in distribution, violent crime goes DOWN......which completely torpedos your ongoing less guns nonsense

[Xavier_Onassis]

There are many fewer guns owned by Europeans, Japanese, Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders and Japanese, and the number of gun deaths is MANY FEWER.

That debunks all the crap you spew. Now make a crap sandwich, skewer it with a stick, make a crap smootie in the blender and eat it.

I know I won't be swallowing your crap.

[sirs]

There are many fewer guns owned by Europeans, Japanese, Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders and Japanese, and the number of gun deaths is MANY FEWER.

And In THIS country, the FACT remains, that although MORE guns are in distribution, violent crime goes DOWN......which completely torpedos your ongoing less guns nonsense

[Plane]

The point is not that one person was able to arm himself.

Yes this is my point.
That one guy was an evil minded one , a type rarer than one in a million in every country. He was well armed in Belgium and France, of course no law ever conceived was going to reduce the chances that he would get one or more potent weapon.


If you gave a pistol to 90% of all the world , but could successfully leave the worst 10% out of the pistol issue , crime rates would necessarily plummet. Most people are pretty decent .

If instead you armed your worst first , even though the total number of guns were decreased a lot , why would crime rates fall at all?

[Xavier_Onassis]

That is absurd logic. Read it again. It makes no sense.

The facts speak for themselves. We are many times more likely to get shot in this country than the French, and it is because there are more guns.

[sirs]

That is absurd logic. Read it again. It makes no sense.

The facts speak for themselves.

YES, they do......MORE Guns in this country has led to a DECREASE in violent crime

[Xavier_Onassis]

This country, this country, this country. blah blah blah yammer yammer yammer yada yade yada.
No matter how many times you blather about this country like it was the only one on the planet, the FACT remains that more guns in the US means vastly more Americans get shot than British, Japanese, Germans, Spaniards and Australians.

[sirs]

Yea, THIS COUNTRY, as in YEA, FACTS speak for themselves, as in YEA more guns have apparently led to a decrease in violent crime in THIS COUNTRY.....so YEA, you can stick the notion of less guns in the hands of law abiding as a good thing, in your foreign ear

[Xavier_Onassis]

You inability to reason is amazing.

[sirs]

As is your inabilty to accept facts contrary to your already made up partisan mind

[Xavier_Onassis]

You think that gun safety statistics are meaningless outside the Us, whereas in reality, they are not.

[sirs]

I think both facts and common sense speak for themselves.  FACT is that in this country we have a right to firearms.  FACT is that in this country, despite MORE guns, violent crime goes down.  FACT is that in this country, more lives are saved using a gun, than those taken by one

I realize those are inconvenient facts that screw the entire message related to less guns, but those are the facts

[Plane]

That is absurd logic. Read it again. It makes no sense.

The facts speak for themselves. We are many times more likely to get shot in this country than the French, and it is because there are more guns.

  You would have to let it make sense to understand it.

    If you took a Germany and saturated it with guns , you would not get an increase in crime , you would get Switzerland.

      The tools of crime are not the cause of crime .