We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!

[Plane]

Well for me god never entered into it. I mean I went to Sunday school, I knew of the 10 commandments and all, but I never used those, or the bible, or the thought of god as a barometer for knowing the difference between good and bad. For me it was all about the other people in my life. You didn't harm them physically because you just didn't do it. If you did you were estranged either by your own mental instability, or by members of the group. The same thing would apply to steeling. Steeling upsets the apple cart. Where would we be if everyone went around taking things from each other? It's just obvious.

Now, as we grow up and our relationships become more complex, and others depend more on us, and we on them, you need to acquire wisdom. You need to be able to look down the road. You need to be able to understand the ramifications of your discissions. It's not easy. We all make mistakes. But we learn from them and get better and better as we go along and gain experience.

Frankly I'm baffled by the thought of not just having a moral compass on tap without even having to look for it. For me its always been there, I've just had to refine it.

There is such a thing as good instinct, but do we all have it?
There is also the natural tendancy of children to pick up the good habits of good example, your foundation might be beneith your knowing and still be the Bible that your family was following.

WE also have an instinct for vengence and it shows up early in life , stays with us till late , the natural instinct is not to get even , it is to overwhelm. Moses (or Hammerubi if you rather) was pioneering in suggesting limit on vengence ONLY an eye for the lost eye ONLY a tooth for the lost tooth , nature suggests makeing a meal of your offender if you can.

The inborn instinct for justice is very universal in humankind , but is so plastic that it can get used to anything. Philosophy and religion both advance on the bare knoledge of the diffrence between good and bad the accumulation of human experience and thoughts refine over time the use of the concepts.

But where do we come away with an instinctive knoledge of good and evil in the first place? Tigers are innocent of it , they don't seem to feel the lack.

Genesis seems to state that God created man a creature with no knoledge of a diffrence between good and evil and God was a friend of this creature. We have learned that diffrence and no longer share the Tigers innocence.

Scientific American recently printed an article about the shrinking Human brain. Apparently Cro Magnion man was anitomicly very simular to modern man but had a more massive brain by about the volume of a tennis ball.

Perhaps being a wild man requires a lot of alertness , being domesticated we need less our alert senses and more a reliance on each other and each to the other being reliable.

What happened to turn the wolf into the dog is happening to us and we are the agent of the change in both instances, was this Gods will or is God being tolerant of our rebellion?

[Plane]

Actually there is a school of thought that parasites are good for you. The theory is that worms have a beneficial effect on the immune system. Some things apparently, such as asthma, don't occur in populations that are still infected with parasites.

Do tell?

http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/people-i-would-like-to-introduce-to-each-other/

Tricnicosis has such a large potential for harm that the potential for benefit is minor by comparison.

I notice that Mosaic law would make Jews less likely to contract tapeworm or tricnicosis , but also less likely to be infested with hookworm.  Not perfectly so , do you suppose that they got infested enough but not too much by limiting their exposure?

There were no microscopes , how would they have known (eschewing the possibility of divine revilation)that eating raw swine and bear was not as safe as eating drained, salted and baked chicken?

[kimba1]

plane samething about the hindu religion.

It was brought up the reason people don`t eat cows is because a living cow would produce more food plowing the field than a dead cow.

this actually upset some folks.

[Xavier_Onassis]

What happened to turn the wolf into the dog is happening to us and we are the agent of the change in both instances, was this Gods will or is God being tolerant of our rebellion?
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Is it possible that God would get really pissed by humans breeding his noble wolves into yappy Chihuahuas and Peekapoos and ugly pugs?

[bsb]

>>But where do we come away with an instinctive knowledge of good and evil in the first place?<<

Think about where we'd be without it and you'll have the answer. We aren't Tigers. We don't have the predatory physical capacities they have. We can't run a deer down, kill it with our jaws, and eat it. We had to learn to cooperate with one another. We had to develop team work. A team isn't going to hold together for very long if its members are more interested in steeling, or seeking total revenge, from one another. Because of this a bias for compassion, understanding the other, was developed. Those that understood the members of a group, tribe, better became leaders. Their genes were passed on. The women who understood the group best were able to protect their children better then the women who didn't and their genes were passed on.

I highly doubt a god had anything to do with it.

bsb

[Amianthus]

There were no microscopes , how would they have known (eschewing the possibility of divine revilation)that eating raw swine and bear was not as safe as eating drained, salted and baked chicken?

Observation over time.

Or are you of the camp that believes that males would not have been able to figure out how pregnancy happens if women didn't tell them?

[Plane]

There were no microscopes , how would they have known (eschewing the possibility of divine revelation)that eating raw swine and bear was not as safe as eating drained, salted and baked chicken?

Observation over time.

Or are you of the camp that believes that males would not have been able to figure out how pregnancy happens if women didn't tell them?

Observation over time ? To know the life cycle of the tapeworm?  Too much time required.Too many extraneous variables This was not only before the invention of Microscopes it is before the development of the scientific method.

We will never know if Men would haved figured out what was causeing pregnancy, obviously one of the women blabbed.

[kimba1]

more like noticing the group who eat the pig welldone and didn`t get sick is a more likely factor.

[Plane]

more like noticing the group who eat the pig welldone and didn`t get sick is a more likely factor.

Think about that, how many diffrent things do you eat in a week?

How would you connect something you ate a month ago to an infestation you just noticed?

How did the people of China never pick up this connection with an even longer written history?

[Plane]

>>But where do we come away with an instinctive knowledge of good and evil in the first place?<<

Think about where we'd be without it and you'll have the answer. We aren't Tigers. We don't have the predatory physical capacities they have. We can't run a deer down, kill it with our jaws, and eat it. We had to learn to cooperate with one another. We had to develop team work. A team isn't going to hold together for very long if its members are more interested in steeling, or seeking total revenge, from one another. Because of this a bias for compassion, understanding the other, was developed. Those that understood the members of a group, tribe, better became leaders. Their genes were passed on. The women who understood the group best were able to protect their children better then the women who didn't and their genes were passed on.

I highly doubt a god had anything to do with it.

bsb

Do the tamest and most domesticated of us become our leadership?

[kimba1]

how about noting what group never gets sick and check thier eating habits over time.

remember quite alot people do not eat pork today(not just hebrews) so the disease maybe alot noticeable then we think.
the fact we used to overcook it is a clue.

[bsb]

>>Do the tamest and most domesticated of us become our leadership?<<

That's what you got from my post? It's not worth replying to.

bsb

[Amianthus]

Think about that, how many diffrent things do you eat in a week?

We also don't live in a time period when agriculture was new and trade with people further away than you can see was rare. Diets at the time were bland and fairly consistent - nearly everyone in a given region ate the same things, day in and day out. This was the reason for poor nutrition and many deficiency diseases.

It didn't take someone with a microscope and knowledge of proper nutrition to figure out the cure for scurvy was eating citrus fruits or other fruits with high vitamin C content - that just took observation over time. The guys with the microscopes and knowledge of biochemistry figured out that it was citric acid, but much later than when it became general knowledge among people that if you eat citrus fruits periodically, you will not suffer from scurvy.

[Plane]

Think about that, how many diffrent things do you eat in a week?

We also don't live in a time period when agriculture was new and trade with people further away than you can see was rare. Diets at the time were bland and fairly consistent - nearly everyone in a given region ate the same things, day in and day out. This was the reason for poor nutrition and many deficiency diseases.

It didn't take someone with a microscope and knowledge of proper nutrition to figure out the cure for scurvy was eating citrus fruits or other fruits with high vitamin C content - that just took observation over time. The guys with the microscopes and knowledge of biochemistry figured out that it was citric acid, but much later than when it became general knowledge among people that if you eat citrus fruits periodically, you will not suffer from scurvy.

Late in the 18th century.

[Plane]

What happened to turn the wolf into the dog is happening to us and we are the agent of the change in both instances, was this Gods will or is God being tolerant of our rebellion?
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Is it possible that God would get really pissed by humans breeding his noble wolves into yappy Chihuahuas and Peekapoos and ugly pugs?

I think it is possible.


And now that our science has developed gene spliceing we can create cherama or pathogens more horrible than legend , do we need to develop a godlike discernment ?