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Iranian Leaders Vow to Crush March

By WILLIAM YONG

February 13, 2011
 
TEHRAN: The Iranian leaders who cheered the popular overthrow of an Egyptian strongman last week have promised to crush an opposition march planned for Monday in solidarity with the Egyptian people.

"These elements are fully aware of the illegal nature of the request, Mehdi Alikhani Sadr, an Interior Ministry official, said of the permit request for the march in comments published Sunday by the semiofficial Fars news agency. "They know they will not be granted permission for riots".

The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps was blunt. "The conspirators are nothing but corpses,"
Hossein Hamadani, a top commander of the corps, said Wednesday in comments published by
the official IRNA news agency. "Any incitement will be dealt with severely".

But opposition supporters, hoping the democratic uprisings sweeping the region will rejuvenate their own movement, insisted the march would go forward. "There are no plans to cancel it," Ardeshir Amir Arjomand, senior political adviser to the opposition leader Mir Hussein Moussavi, said in a statement published Sunday on opposition Web sites.

The opposition also hopes to capitalize on the contradiction between Iran's embrace of democracy movements abroad Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi referred Friday to "the brave and justice-seeking movement in Egypt and its crackdown on a kindred movement at home".

"If they are not going to allow their own people to protest, it goes against everything they are saying, and all they are doing to welcome the protests in Egypt is fake," another opposition leader, Mehdi Karroubi, said in an interview last week.

The United States has also seized on the apparent hypocrisy, issuing a statement on Sunday that seemed intended to encourage a revival of the protests in Iran. "By announcing that they will not allow opposition protests, the Iranian government has declared illegal for Iranians what it claimed was noble for Egyptians," the statement, from the White House, said. "We call on the government of Iran to allow the Iranian people the universal right to peacefully assemble, demonstrate and communicate that?s being exercised in Cairo."

Even as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran was welcoming the emergence of what he called a "new Middle East" on Friday, his government had already taken steps to quash the protest planned here.

In the week since opposition leaders filed the request for the march, the government has imposed restrictions on the communications and movements of Mr. Karroubi and detained at least 30 journalists, student activists and family members of figures close to the opposition leadership, according to opposition Web sites. There was also a vigilante attack on a senior reformist figure.

While the pro-democracy movement here professes similar political goals to those elsewhere, the differences are critical. The so-called Green movement here is, as the government points out, inherently counterrevolutionary; while democracy movements toppled secular dictatorships in Tunisia and Egypt, Iran's Islamic Revolution did that here in 1979. The Iranian leaders praising the revolts of recent weeks claim them as their political progeny.

The democracy movement here has also been shaped, and battered, by recent experience. After the disputed election of June 2009, hundreds of thousands of Iranians took to the streets in protest, deploying their own social networks in what was then called "the Twitter revolution." By the end of the year, a government crackdown characterized by killings and mass arrests had largely curtailed the movement?s public actions.

With those memories still fresh, opposition supporters are caught between fear and hopelessness on one hand, and the urge to seize what feels like a historic opportunity on the other.

"Things are far more complicated in Iran than Egypt," said an online activist using the pseudonym Zahra Meysami. "People need to believe that things are possible. We desperately need hope. People need to see, not just believe, that the movement is alive."

In the background has been a steady drumbeat of executions. International rights groups say 66 prisoners have been hanged this year, at least three of them arrested during the 2009 protests.

Mr. Moussavi and Mr. Karroubi have condemned the executions for creating an atmosphere of "terror in society." Some activists have called them a deliberate ploy to neutralize dissent.

Still, opposition Web sites have announced protest routes for more than 30 cities.

"The victory of the freedom-seeking movement in Egypt and Tunisia can open the way for Iran," read a statement from an association of Tehran University student political groups. "Without a doubt, the starting point of these protests was the peaceful freedom-seeking movement of Iran in 2009."

But some of the movement's foot soldiers learned other lessons from 2009.

"Many people suffered in the 2009 unrest," Leyla, 27, said. "They don't want one martyr to become two".

"This is my souvenir from the protests," she said, pushing aside her hair to reveal a scar in the center of her forehead, etched by a police baton two summers ago.

"My parents will be locking me in the house tomorrow."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/world/middleeast/14iran.html?_r=1
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I have no doubt that the youth in Iran have been empowered by the demonstrations in Egypt.  They will be revolting in the streets soon.
Sad part is, the military will not be has friendly in Iran as they were in Egypt.  Those people will be slaughtered.
We are so fortunate in this country.  We have freedoms that allow us to speak and protest at will.  We are slowly losing them.
I am teaching a class on Sunday mornings and we discussed this subject today.  I asked the question to the group of how grounded are they if they were under persecution?  Would they still stand for their beliefs with the fear of being killed?
My belief is this.  The Titanic sank due to cheap rivets.  We are only as strong as the "rivets" of our soul.  Those people in Egypt has very strong "rivets".

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Iranian Leaders Vow to Crush March

By WILLIAM YONG

February 13, 2011
 
TEHRAN: The Iranian leaders who cheered the popular overthrow of an Egyptian strongman last week
have promised to crush an opposition march planned for Monday
in solidarity with the Egyptian people.


It is ironic, isn't it? In one way, I think it was smarter than Saudi, UAE, Qatar and Bahrain who steadfastly supported Mubarak. IMO, that statement to their own people was dangerous - they were saying, "We don't care about the people. We care about the dictator." But I think the whole thing is lose-lose no matter what side a bad dictator takes.

But to be clear, the Iranian government cheered Egypt on because they wanted to see an Islamic state set up similar to their own - they were not cheering democracy.

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Wow. Kind of like a modern day "Voice of Freedom" radio. But that's a lot of interfering, too.

US starts Farsi Twitter account aimed at Iranians
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110213/ap_on_re_us/us_us_iran_twitter

WASHINGTON ? The U.S. State Department began sending Twitter messages in Farsi on Sunday in the hopes of reaching social media users in Iran.

On the Twitter account, USA darFarsi, the department told Iranians, "We want to join in your conversation."

The second and third tweets were more pointed. The State Department accused Iran's government of illegalizing dissent while praising Egyptian protesters for the same activities.

The U.S. then called on Iran "to allow people to enjoy same universal rights to peacefully assemble, demonstrate as in Cairo."

The Farsi Twitter account had 60 followers within two hours of its launch.

Last week, the State Department launched an Arabic Twitter feed in an effort to communicate with the Egyptian protesters who eventually brought about the resignation of President Hosni Mubarak.

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But to be clear, the Iranian government cheered Egypt on because they wanted to
see an Islamic state set up similar to their own - they were not cheering democracy.

Henny....from your perspective....how do most Middle Easterners deep down view Iran?

I know many cheer Iran because they are seen as standing up to the West and the
United States in  particular....and that's understandable....people sometimes cozy up
with others they are not crazy about to face a common foe.

But take the West and the US out of the equation....how do Middle Easterners view Iran.
My friend/coworker from Morocco can't stand Iranians. He doesn't trust them. I know about
the Shia/Sunni  split too......but is there a general dislike/mistrust of the Iranians?
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But to be clear, the Iranian government cheered Egypt on because they wanted to
see an Islamic state set up similar to their own - they were not cheering democracy.

Henny....from your perspective....how do most Middle Easterners deep down view Iran?

I know many cheer Iran because they are seen as standing up to the West and the
United States in  particular....and that's understandable....people sometimes cozy up
with others they are not crazy about to face a common foe.

But take the West and the US out of the equation....how do Middle Easterners view Iran.
My friend/coworker from Morocco can't stand Iranians. He doesn't trust them. I know about
the Shia/Sunni  split too......but is there a general dislike/mistrust of the Iranians?

CU4, yes, there is a strong dislike/mistrust but I really think it is mainly rooted in the Shia traditions which the Sunnis frown on. I also think they fear them - a fear that Iran might swoop in and take over in an Ottoman style conquest.

On the other hand, the begrudgingly respect them as well and for more than the fact that they stand up to the West - the Iranians are so much more advanced in sciences for example. I even see this working in the STM Publishing Industry (medical) - their journals are so much more advanced than in the Arab world. They take pride in what they do in ways that the Arab world does not.

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With tear gas and water cannons, available to most Mideastern nations if not all of them, a demonstration can usually be halted. The Egyptians did not try this, I imagine, because many in the Army wanted Mubarak to leave. It is not really necessary to kill anyone to end a demonstration, but if there is a lot of tear gas, water cannons,and cops with clubs, someone usually gets killed.
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Iran cracks down on demos,
stops Turkish president greeting protesters


DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

February 14, 2011, 10:44 PM (GMT+02:00)


Iran Feb 2011 protest demonstrations 

Monday night, Feb. 14, Iranian Basij heavies were still beating up thousands
of anti-regime protesters
who turned out in the streets of 30 cities during the day.
In Tehran, one demonstrator was shot dead and two injured.

It was the first substantial demonstration the opposition had managed to stage
since their big rallies against the rigged presidential election of 2009. They did not
make a stand in one place but scattered across several city squares and outside
the universities. The organizers who used Facebook and Twitter to mobilize them
adopted this tactic to make it harder to disperse them.

Smaller rallies, which also drew thousands, were staged in the big towns outside
Tehran including Tabriz, Tazd, Ahwaz, Mashad, Shiraz and Isfahan.

They won support from an unexpected quarter: debkafile reports exclusively that
Turkish President Abdallah Gul on the second day of his official visit to Tehran
accepted a demonstrators' invitation to join them. He agreed, but when his
guards asked Iranian security to lay on an escort for the convoy to bring Gul
to the greet the crowds, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stepped in.

He told the security service to prevent the Turkish president getting anywhere
near the demonstrators ? even if this led to a diplomatic upset with Ankara.
Gul gave up the plan, but the tension between him and Ahmadinejad was
palpable
when they addressed a joint news conference later in the day
and their appearance was cut short.

Notably, President Gul was one of the first world leaders to offer public support
for the demonstrations in Egypt from the moment they began.

More predictably, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Monday expressed support
for the tens of thousands of protesters in Iran's capital, saying they "deserve to
have the same rights that they saw being played out in Egypt and are part of
their own birthright." She spoke of the "hypocrisy" of the Iranian government
that hailed the protests in Egypt but has tried to suppress opposition at home.

The slogans brandished by the demonstrators in Iran called for Freedom!
Death to the Dictator! and "Mobarak, Ben-Ali, novbat-e-Seyyed-Ali!"
They were telling Seyyed-Ali aka supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
that it was his turn to go after the Egyptian and Tunisian rulers.
Another sign read: "Not Gaza, not Lebanon, but Tunis, Egypt and Iran,"
an expression of contempt for Iran's meddling in Hizballah and Hamas
affairs
and its cost to the Iranian people.

According to our sources, demonstrators continued to gather in the streets
of Tehran Monday night and shout anti-regime slogans. When chased away
by security police, they regrouped in other places. A large crowd of warmly-dressed
demonstrators were seen marching in the dark toward Azadi (Liberty) Square,
hoping to barricade themselves there and carry on demonstrating Tuesday.
But the police will never let them stay there.

During the day, opposition leaders Mir Hossein Mouosavi and Mehdi Karroubi
were placed under house arrest, heavy security forces patrolled the streets of
Tehran and shut down subway stations to prevent demonstrators from traveling
to the city center. The regime also jammed satellite news stations and tried to
block the Internet
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I hope that the Iranians and Algerians get somewhere with their marches, but I tend to think that they face much greater obstacles because the Iranian regime is more ruthless than the regimes in Egypt and Tunisia.
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With tear gas and water cannons, available to most Mideastern nations if not all of them, a demonstration can usually be halted. The Egyptians did not try this, I imagine, because many in the Army wanted Mubarak to leave. It is not really necessary to kill anyone to end a demonstration, but if there is a lot of tear gas, water cannons,and cops with clubs, someone usually gets killed.

Sure they did - in th early days of the protests. The police used them anyway. Didn't you see the news about the "Made in the USA" tear gas cannisters and the pictures of water cannons?

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The cops were told to keep their hands off the protesters after a while. It would not have been impossible for the Egyptian government to clear the square if they really, really tried. I tend to think that Mubarak was told that he couldn't really really try, most likely by the army.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."