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The_Professor

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Jane Fonda
« on: February 14, 2008, 12:16:16 PM »
I thought she had turned her life around...?

see http://www.tmz.com/2008/02/14/jane-fonda-i-wasnt-into-cu-t/
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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2008, 12:46:54 PM »
Jane Fonda is one of the genuine heroines of the 20th Century.  She helped found FTA, a network of anti-war coffee houses located near army bases across Amerikkka and was very active in the VVAW anti-war veterans' movement.  She was an inspiration to everyone who worked and hoped for peace and a thorn in the side of every war-mongering bastard and fascist storm-trooper in the world.

But the one thing I remember best about Jane was an interview at some local airport (mighta been Buffalo, NY) when the interviewer referred to a possible "mistake" that the U.S.  might have made in getting into Viet Nam in the first place, and Jane cut the interviewer off in mid-sentence with "Mistake?  This is no "mistake!"  It's a crime!"

This was something I had been thinking every time I watched or read the news.  The most "courageous" reporters or commentators might admit that possibly, only possibly, mind you, it might have been a "mistake" to get involved in Viet Nam, and every time I heard this, it would drive me bananas.  What is WRONG with these fucking ass-holes?  What kind of "mistake?"   Did they get lost on the way to Japan?  It was as if the U.S. government had a Pravda-like death grip on the media and no one dared state the obvious - - the obvious being the criminality of the entire U.S. effort.

And then right there, on my old black-and-white TV, in the middle of an afternoon of nothing, Jane Fonda --  this absolutely drop-dead gorgeous all-American babe, said it, and in front of the whole world.  I felt like a dam had been broken.  It was one of those turning-point moments in the war, a moment when I could see that Amerikkkan fascism and aggression COULD be broken and WOULD be broken, that the rulers were losing their grip on the public discourse.  Beauty, brains and courage combined in that one moment and stood up to be counted against all the evils of Amerikkka.

I am a Jane Fonda fan and will be all of my life.  I was sickened and nauseated when she apologized to Amerikkka's vets, but I felt that even the ignominy of that apology was washed away by the hope that she had given to hundreds of millions of people in Amerikkka and around the world, during the darkest days of the Viet Nam struggle, a renewed faith that the human spirit would triumph even over the biggest and wealthiest death machine on this planet, as it eventually did.

So, Jane Fonda can say whatever she likes on TV, even the C-word.  She's certainly earned that right.  And anyone who wants to see her at her best, with a great 60s sound-track as well, can go out and rent "Coming Home," a wonderful vehicle for her talents and beauty and in itself an indictment of the war and the fascist and militarist movements in Amerikkka that supported it.

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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2008, 12:37:16 AM »
Wouldn't she have been welcome to stay in Vietnam?

What makesher choose Georgia when she can afford just about anywhere?

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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2008, 12:44:03 AM »
Why shouldn't she choose Georgia? You must know what is so special about it. Perhaps she likes peaches and pecans.
I am guessing that she made a lot of friends there while she was married to Ted Turner. Perhaps she just sticks arounf=d to cancel your vote, Plane. Maybe the Communists are behind this, you think?
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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008, 12:49:47 AM »
Why shouldn't she choose Georgia? You must know what is so special about it. Perhaps she likes peaches and pecans.
I am guessing that she made a lot of friends there while she was married to Ted Turner. Perhaps she just sticks arounf=d to cancel your vote, Plane. Maybe the Communists are behind this, you think?


I wish.

She has rights even if she is irritating.

But se doesn't use her rights to become Communist and live in a socialist pardise

She doesn't have to go to Vietnam , but she could go to Denmark , what makes her stay?

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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2008, 01:04:28 AM »

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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2008, 01:07:42 AM »
http://www.gcapp.org/G-CAPP/doula/index.html



That looks like a worthy project , is she needed here , is that why she wants to be here?

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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2008, 03:05:03 AM »
I think she is comfortable here. And also feels she can do some good.


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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2008, 03:35:40 AM »
I think she is comfortable here. And also feels she can do some good.


I think her biggest achievement will be after her death.  Her grave will make the Guinness Book of World Records.

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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2008, 04:03:00 AM »
I think it's really interesting that Americans would think about violating Jane Fonda's gravesite but not Lt. Calley's or Gen. Westmoreland's or LBJ's or Nixon's.  Blessed are the peacemakers, huh?  Fucking hypocrites.

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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2008, 10:05:05 AM »
Who, "Hanoi Jane"?
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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2008, 12:45:13 PM »

<<Who, "Hanoi Jane"?>>

Yeah, Hanoi Jane.  And "My Lai" Calley.  It's interesting that of the two of them, it's the peace-maker's grave you think the people will want to piss on, not the war criminal's and mass murderer's.  It's an interesting evaluation of the Amerikkkan psyche, that's for sure.

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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2008, 02:28:50 PM »
Calley was a man under too much stress and made a wrong decision. Jane Fonda, did not appear to be under stress in the many years she was an anti-war spokesperson.
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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2008, 02:40:02 PM »
Personally, I'm looking forward to urinating on Maggie Thatcher's grave.  ;)
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Re: Jane Fonda
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2008, 02:53:23 PM »
why?
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