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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on July 29, 2011, 11:44:57 AM
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Things have gotten so bad that I seriously doubt a white president could survive such disastrous conditions and continue as president. Even Jimmy Carter was in better shape during his awful one term as president. Our nation has never been in such a dangerous place as we are today. The Civil War, WWII, and the Great Depression aren't on par with this man-made disaster we are living today. With the white mainstream press heavily invested in Obama they stand side by side, shoulder to shoulder with him (propping him up) as the ship sinks. They aren't going to turn on him until the very last minute. They are hoping for a miracle that will never arrive in Obama. He has been a dismal failure; the worst thing that has ever happened to our country. Obama is the result of liberalism gone mad. Liberalism taking hold and paralyzing every facet of our society. And out of fear of being labeled a racist nobody is calling a spade a spade. The emperor has no cloths. Folks, wake up and smell the coffee! Have we all gone MAD?
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Obama is the result of liberalism gone mad.
He's also the result of half-witted dumbass Republicans in
certain states voting in the primaries for horrible, terrible,
one-foot-in-the-grave, candidates that the party establishment
has decided "well it's their turn". People like a McCain or a Bob Dole.
These tiny population states have way too much power in the
early primaries and give these "losers" momentum that sometimes
is hard to stop. And of course the liberal media piles on and fawns
over these "losers" so they look better, but the Meet The Press
fawning is just because they know these people will probably
lose in November to the Democrat.
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Obama is the result of liberalism gone mad.
He's also the result of half-witted dumbass Republicans in
certain states voting in the primaries for horrible, terrible,
one-foot-in-the-grave, candidates that the party establishment
has decided "well it's their turn". People like a McCain or a Bob Dole.
These tiny population states have way too much power in the
early primaries and give these "losers" momentum that sometimes
is hard to stop.
Do you agree that we are in the middle of the worst disaster, the most dire of circumstances, right now than at any time in our nations history? And that we have no leadership and the person that is supposed to be leading us through this disaster is himself a disaster and is unable and incapable of doing the job?
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Do you agree that we are in the middle of the worst disaster, the most dire of circumstances, right now than at any time in our nations history?
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The Civil War was far worse, WWII was worse. So no, I do not agree.
During the Civil War, there were fanatics incapable of compromise on both sides. During WWII we had more agreement and fewer Republicans.
All that needs to happen now is that the sign the debt ceiling and work from there. The problem is due to the moronic 'baggers and the even more moronic fools who elected them.
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Do you agree that we are in the middle of the worst disaster, the most dire of circumstances, right now than at any time in our nations history?
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The Civil War was far worse, WWII was worse. So no, I do not agree.
During the Civil War, there were fanatics incapable of compromise on both sides. During WWII we had more agreement and fewer Republicans.
All that needs to happen now is that the sign the debt ceiling and work from there. The problem is due to the moronic 'baggers and the even more moronic fools who elected them.
yeah, but during the Civil War and WWII we had LEADERSHIP. We have a runaway freight train and the conductor has jumped off with nobody steering. I'm sure that will go over your head. Analogies like that escape your high level of whatever you call it.
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Kramer......I agree we are in dire circumstances.
But you must realize what the leftist have planned & accomplished.
The Left has created a huge segment of our society that are dependents.
I think I read somewhere that about half the population pays no income tax
The giveaways were not goodhearted....
The giveaways were intended to create dependents
Dependents equal voters for the welfare pimps.
So you see...no matter how bad it gets
the leeches wont vote out their meal-tickets.
Look at California
It's been a disaster with Democrats mostly in charge and in control
You think the Republicans can ever control the Cali legislature again?
NOT.....not gonna happen.
Why?....
because no matter how bad it gets govt tit suckers wont vote against their "freebies"
so sure Obama is HORRIBLE
but again he's got a large contingent of "no matter what voters"
so Obama will be hard to beat no matter what
I think he can be beat...
but it's not gonna be any "cakewalk".
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I think I read somewhere that about half the population pays no income tax
this is why I have advocated taxing and raising taxes on the people that are the biggest users & abusers of our dependency culture system..
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but during the Civil War and WWII we had LEADERSHIP.
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If you read the newspapers from the Civil War period, you will find that Lincoln got even more criticism than Obama did about nearly everything: the inability of the Army to fight the war or even engage the enemy, the graft and corruption of military acquisitions and his wife's manic shopping trips.
Had it not been for the victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, there is little chance that he would have been reelected, and McClellan would have most likely brokered a deal with the Confederacy.
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but during the Civil War and WWII we had LEADERSHIP.
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If you read the newspapers from the Civil War period, you will find that Lincoln got even more criticism than Obama did about nearly everything: the inability of the Army to fight the war or even engage the enemy, the graft and corruption of military acquisitions and his wife's manic shopping trips.
Had it not been for the victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, there is little chance that he would have been reelected, and McClellan would have most likely brokered a deal with the Confederacy.
Lincoln wasn't elected exclusively because of his race. He got elected because of his qualifications. Lincoln was a leader, Obama is a boy...
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So is Obama an inept leader because he is black or is he an inept leader because he is inept?
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So is Obama an inept leader because he is black or is he an inept leader because he is inept?
he was elected because he is black....
but being black has nothing to do with his ineptness
if he was white & doing the same things...he'd be just as big a failure
his near total lack of experience
his passiveness
his naivety
and his pursuit of failed leftest ideology is why he is inept
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So is Obama an inept leader because he is black or is he an inept leader because he is inept?
He got elected because he is black; the vast majority of people voted for him not knowing much of anything about him other than his blackness and as it turns out they elected an inept black man. Race and ineptness don't go hand in hand they are separate from each other.
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On the other hand, many people were turned off from McCain because he was old and unhealthy looking. But I doubt he's inept...just an asshole that leans too far left.
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So Obama was given the chance because folks didn't want McCain at the wheel and were ready for a change from the GOP?
Did he beat Hillary because he was black or did he beat her because she was a: a Clinton or b: a woman?
or did he beat her because he out hustled her.
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Did he beat Hillary because he was black
Yes!
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I doubt it. He beat her because he ran to the left of her and the netroots were engaged.
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So Obama was given the chance because folks didn't want McCain at the wheel and were ready for a change from the GOP?
Did he beat Hillary because he was black or did he beat her because she was a: a Clinton or b: a woman?
or did he beat her because he out hustled her.
yup indeed.
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I doubt it. He beat her because he ran to the left of her and the netroots were engaged.
if you look at the big picture it was his blackness.
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I really do find that hard to believe. Course i never bought into the whole white guilt trip either.
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funny....people's perspectives
2EachHisOwn
But I am like 100% convinced he wouldn't have even been in the race if he was white
Hillary would be President....and be a hell of alot better
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funny....people's perspectives
2EachHisOwn
But I am like 100% convinced he wouldn't have even been in the race if he was white
Hillary would be President....and be a hell of alot better
I do agree
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funny....people's perspectives
2EachHisOwn
But I am like 100% convinced he wouldn't have even been in the race if he was white
Hillary would be President....and be a hell of alot better
Well we agree that Hillary would be doing a better job, but Obama's personality is such that he would have been in the race regardless of color. But i do think he would have garnered greater scrutiny.
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funny....people's perspectives
2EachHisOwn
But I am like 100% convinced he wouldn't have even been in the race if he was white
Hillary would be President....and be a hell of alot better
Well we agree that Hillary would be doing a better job, but Obama's personality is such that he would have been in the race regardless of color. But i do think he would have garnered greater scrutiny.
Kid Glove Treatment = Affirmative Action
Many avoided criticism because they didn't want to be labeled RACIST which means his blackness played in his favor not against him. And I don't believe our country is a racist country.
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Did he use his blackness of did his supporters take advantage of it?
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Did he use his blackness of did his supporters take advantage of it?
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you did notice his dialect changed when he went into the black Churches?
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Did he use his blackness of did his supporters take advantage of it?
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you did notice his dialect changed when he went into the black Churches?
Yeah and howard dean loved him a pick up truck when he was in tennessee. It's called mirroring. oldest trick in the sales book.
and politics is nothing if it isn't sales.
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Being as I heard Obama speak at a Black university, and did not notice any obvious change in the way he spoke, I imagine that you just heard it somewhere and have been repeating it ever since. He used the term "brothers" to refer to other Black people, that is all I noticed.
It is not illegal or even deceptive to change one's accent when talking to people who speak the same way. Actors do this all the time. It is simply a talent that some have and others do not.
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It is not illegal or even deceptive to change one's accent when talking to people who speak the same way.
yeah sure lets watch Bush (in the 04 election) go to the NAACP and try that one. And who implied it was illegal? What a moron you are!
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So there's a couple people here that don't believe Obama played the card card in 2008. Well, a search brought up this little jewel. I think this might refresh some memories.
Obama used race card to win election 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmj7w3SDS70#)
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actually what I remember the most about his campaign is that race was not brought up til later on . in fact his most visible problem was getting the black vote since he wasn`technically black. in fact it was hinted his ancestors may of been slave owners.
it was a very colorful campaign
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There is a difference between changing one's accent to suit an audience and to do so when it would appear silly to do so. For Juniorbush to take on a Black accent at an NAACP convention would be like him appearing in blackface, as it would look like he was mocking the audience, not seeking to appear to be another Black guy. On the other hand, for Gov. Richardson to address an audience of Hispanics in Pojoaque, NM would be seen as an asset.
Speaking Spanish to a Spanish speaking audience would be seen as an asset anywhere in the country, regardless of the race of the candidate.
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There is a difference between changing one's accent to suit an audience and to do so when it would appear silly to do so. For Juniorbush to take on a Black accent at an NAACP convention would be like him appearing in blackface, as it would look like he was mocking the audience, not seeking to appear to be another Black guy. On the other hand, for Gov. Richardson to address an audience of Hispanics in Pojoaque, NM would be seen as an asset.
Speaking Spanish to a Spanish speaking audience would be seen as an asset anywhere in the country, regardless of the race of the candidate.
Gov richardson is 1/2 hispanic and Bush spoke spanish to hispanics too. But bush nor richardson didn't pretend to be a low rider. talking spanish, a language, and jive talk are not the same and for Obama to jive talk with the brothers is how he used race in the election and this is what we are talking about. he didn't speak spanish because he can't.
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each race has difference types of reactions.
you never wave over a philipino.
you never point with a middle finger ,purse you lips to an american
don`t do the ok sign to a portugese
don`t leave babies outside while eating inside a restaurant is another thing you don`t do in america.
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Hispanics made fun of Juniorbush's Spanish, it was awful, but at least he tried. It may have done him more good than harm.
I said nothing whatever about "jive talk".
Obama did not speak any differently when he addressed the student body at my university, where there may have been around 3% non-Black people in attendance. Perhaps he can sound like Jesse Jackson, perhaps not, but if he can, I saw no evidence of it. He was VERY well received.